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Knee jerk reaction from Clemson spring game
1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).
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It's a spring game, so Kool Aid parties for all!
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Spring Football is so bipolar.

We only allowed X -- our defense is GREAT!
We only scored X -- our offense is TERRIBLE!

We rang up Y -- our offense will be UNSTOPPABLE!
Our D gave up Y -- we won't be stopping ANYBODY!
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(04-16-2018 09:37 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Spring Football is so bipolar.

We only allowed X -- our defense is GREAT!
We only scored X -- our offense is TERRIBLE!

We rang up Y -- our offense will be UNSTOPPABLE!
Our D gave up Y -- we won't be stopping ANYBODY!

Not only that but you will also see some random walk-on torch a dude on the second\third string and think; man Dalandgopolis is our secret weapon! Our depth is insane!
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RE: Knee jerk reaction from Clemson spring game
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.
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(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.
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(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

And honestly I'd have Brice as #3 at starter. He's a gun slinger in the Brett Favre mold. Going to frustrate you at times, but will win you games with his gambling as well.

Facts are we can win the conference with any of the four starting, and if Bryant doesn't win the starting job I would create packages for him in goal line/short yardage situations because he's a weapon there. Lawrence and Johnson give us the best opportunity to utilize the weapons we have at WR, but even if he's not the starter Bryant is valuable to the team.
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Honestly, if I take off my biased hat, Clemson needs to (and should) cash in on crazy talent and win a title this year. Those rare moments when you are on top in CFB......gotta cash in. Clemson has great opp
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(04-18-2018 03:35 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

And honestly I'd have Brice as #3 at starter. He's a gun slinger in the Brett Favre mold. Going to frustrate you at times, but will win you games with his gambling as well.

Facts are we can win the conference with any of the four starting, and if Bryant doesn't win the starting job I would create packages for him in goal line/short yardage situations because he's a weapon there. Lawrence and Johnson give us the best opportunity to utilize the weapons we have at WR, but even if he's not the starter Bryant is valuable to the team.

Totally agree on Bryant/short yardage. The trick is getting Bryant and the rest of the locker room to buy into it. One thing Clemson's coaches seem to get is the overarching principle that the best teams are led from within. That starts with screening character in the recruiting process (i.e. make sure that nobody like Chad Kelly EVER sets foot on campus EVER again - what a nutjob).
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(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?
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(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

No inside info, but I think it's pretty simple. It says a lot about how good Trevor Lawrence is. He will get significant playing time this year. Johnson is nothing to sneeze at either, but Lawrence is going to be very special.
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RE: Knee jerk reaction from Clemson spring game
(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

Everything I am seeing is it's simply a case of numbers. Johnson is a true soph, Trevor Lawrence is a true freshman and Chase Brice is a RS freshman. We knew that someone was likely to leave between now and the end of fall camp. Evidently Johnson didn't like where he stood after meeting with the coaches after spring practice and decided to move on.
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(05-22-2018 09:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(04-15-2018 09:59 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  1. Tee Higgins will invoke bowel wrenching fear into the opponents.
2. It is going to be very, very difficult to keep Trevor Lawrence off the field. Bryant is good. He took us to the CFP and could probably get us there again. But Lawrence is just that good.
3. Christian Wilkins will make first team all ACC...as a safety (yes, he lined up at safety for a play).

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

Everything I am seeing is it's simply a case of numbers. Johnson is a true soph, Trevor Lawrence is a true freshman and Chase Brice is a RS freshman. We knew that someone was likely to leave between now and the end of fall camp. Evidently Johnson didn't like where he stood after meeting with the coaches after spring practice and decided to move on.

I think if he leaves now, he still has three years of eligibilty remaining. I think any school that can recruit that many talented QBs has to expect that they will lose some along the way. If you are as good as Johnson seems to be, you want to play, and not just as a backup. I expect there will be a lot of P5 schools interested in having him play for them. I can think of at least four in North Carolina who would love to have him.
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(05-22-2018 04:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 11:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss Hunter Johnson. I left the Valley Saturday thinking Sunshine was the man, but after watching the DVR yesterday I'm not so sure that Johnson didn't out play him.

Going into his fourth season it obvious to anyone that starting Kelly Bryant at QB is essentially putting a restrictor plate on our offense. As has been shown every single time he's played in a situation where the use of his legs has been limited by rule (spring games), injury (Syracuse) or scheme (Alabama) the deficiencies in his passing game have been exposed. If we are in a situation where we are dependent on Bryant's arm to win us a game we are in trouble.

Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

Everything I am seeing is it's simply a case of numbers. Johnson is a true soph, Trevor Lawrence is a true freshman and Chase Brice is a RS freshman. We knew that someone was likely to leave between now and the end of fall camp. Evidently Johnson didn't like where he stood after meeting with the coaches after spring practice and decided to move on.

I think if he leaves now, he still has three years of eligibilty remaining. I think any school that can recruit that many talented QBs has to expect that they will lose some along the way. If you are as good as Johnson seems to be, you want to play, and not just as a backup. I expect there will be a lot of P5 schools interested in having him play for them. I can think of at least four in North Carolina who would love to have him.

I doubt he'd entertain any of the four because he has the talent to compete nationally, but as I understand it per ACC rules as a non-graduate transfer he would have to sit out two years.
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I am wondering if that new Clemson facility has something to do with the stockpile of high end recruits. Clemson are almost like Alabama in that they go 2 deep everywhere with P5 starters.
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(05-22-2018 10:35 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  I am wondering if that new Clemson facility has something to do with the stockpile of high end recruits. Clemson are almost like Alabama in that they go 2 deep everywhere with P5 starters.

I'm sure it plays something of a factor but it doesn't matter what kind of facilities you have if the personal relationship isn't there.

Dabo graduates senior football players at an unprecedented rate. The majority of those who didn't will get an opportunity to complete their degrees if they choose free of charge for student-athletes who went pro before they could. For all the negative outside attention the slide and whiffle ball field gets the fact is once you enter the facility one of the first things you see is the offices for P.A.W. Journey, and that's what the players rave about.

https://www.independentmail.com/story/sp.../97660430/

Facilities might get you a look but in the end it's about the #ClemsonFamily. Joe Sherman put it best - "There's something special in these hills"
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(05-22-2018 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I doubt he'd entertain any of the four because he has the talent to compete nationally, but as I understand it per ACC rules as a non-graduate transfer he would have to sit out two years.

Yeah, but I'm sure the ACC would waive those rules for UNC.
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(05-22-2018 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I doubt he'd entertain any of the four because he has the talent to compete nationally, but as I understand it per ACC rules as a non-graduate transfer he would have to sit out two years.

Yeah, but I'm sure the ACC would waive those rules for UNC.


Why would ACC rules apply to NC if NCAA rules don't?


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(05-22-2018 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 04:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  
(04-16-2018 04:01 PM)ren.hoek Wrote:  Totally agree. Johnson and Lawrence should be 1 and 1A.

I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

Everything I am seeing is it's simply a case of numbers. Johnson is a true soph, Trevor Lawrence is a true freshman and Chase Brice is a RS freshman. We knew that someone was likely to leave between now and the end of fall camp. Evidently Johnson didn't like where he stood after meeting with the coaches after spring practice and decided to move on.

I think if he leaves now, he still has three years of eligibilty remaining. I think any school that can recruit that many talented QBs has to expect that they will lose some along the way. If you are as good as Johnson seems to be, you want to play, and not just as a backup. I expect there will be a lot of P5 schools interested in having him play for them. I can think of at least four in North Carolina who would love to have him.

I doubt he'd entertain any of the four because he has the talent to compete nationally, but as I understand it per ACC rules as a non-graduate transfer he would have to sit out two years.

I said those schools would love to have him, not that they would have a chance in hades of getting him (no matter what league rules might be). Give credit to Mack Brown for recognizing that if he wanted to coach football in the big time he'd have to leave North Carolina.

My guess is Johnson winds up somewhere in the B1G.
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(05-23-2018 05:32 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 08:51 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 04:11 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(05-22-2018 09:43 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 07:54 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  I hear that Hunter Johnson is seeking to transfer. If he's as talented as you guys say, I can see why he wants to go somewhere to get some playing time. Clemson just has a backlog of talented QB's. Any of you Clemson guys have any insight as what transpired with him leaving, to share with us?

Everything I am seeing is it's simply a case of numbers. Johnson is a true soph, Trevor Lawrence is a true freshman and Chase Brice is a RS freshman. We knew that someone was likely to leave between now and the end of fall camp. Evidently Johnson didn't like where he stood after meeting with the coaches after spring practice and decided to move on.

I think if he leaves now, he still has three years of eligibilty remaining. I think any school that can recruit that many talented QBs has to expect that they will lose some along the way. If you are as good as Johnson seems to be, you want to play, and not just as a backup. I expect there will be a lot of P5 schools interested in having him play for them. I can think of at least four in North Carolina who would love to have him.

I doubt he'd entertain any of the four because he has the talent to compete nationally, but as I understand it per ACC rules as a non-graduate transfer he would have to sit out two years.

I said those schools would love to have him, not that they would have a chance in hades of getting him (no matter what league rules might be). Give credit to Mack Brown for recognizing that if he wanted to coach football in the big time he'd have to leave North Carolina.

My guess is Johnson winds up somewhere in the B1G.


Purdue would be a good choice in that case. The starting spot would be his & he would have a young & up incoming former QB head coach.


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