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RE: Coach Graham not coming back to Rice baseball next year
It would he hilarious if they make the C-USA tournament this year and win it again.
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(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.
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(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....
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RE: Coach Graham not coming back to Rice baseball next year
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

it somewhat reminds me how we handled the Bower situation....regardless, it's never easy when replacing 'the face' of any school when the "hand stikes twelve"....
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The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.
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RE: Coach Graham not coming back to Rice baseball next year
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.
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RE: Coach Graham not coming back to Rice baseball next year
(04-26-2018 09:18 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

it somewhat reminds me how we handled the Bower situation....regardless, it's never easy when replacing 'the face' of any school when the "hand stikes twelve"....

I have all the respect in the world for a guy like Graham. BUT, it is both his and the Rice AD's fault for not jointly blueprinting a better exit plan for Graham. The man is 80-something years old, for goodness sake. No one wants to see him literally drop dead on the field in front of everybody.

And another thing....it's not HIS job. (In the media story Graham consistently talked about "my job" this and "my job" that, etc..) No, it's Rice's job to give to anyone it wishes.

Graham and the Rice AD should have already implemented a plan to cultivate a younger replacement, with Graham's blessing. That way Graham would have gone out on top, and not been worried about a coup d'etat from younger former players who still care about the Rice program. And you really can't blame them for wanting to move the program forward.
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(04-26-2018 12:35 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.

That is blatantly not true. Please stop spreading lies. He asked for one, final, one-year extension. Period. The way this was handled was disgraceful and embarrassing, and the blame does not rest on Coach Graham.
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RE: Coach Graham not coming back to Rice baseball next year
(04-26-2018 03:49 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 12:35 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.

That is blatantly not true. Please stop spreading lies. He asked for one, final, one-year extension. Period. The way this was handled was disgraceful and embarrassing, and the blame does not rest on Coach Graham.

He didn't pull that out of his ass. Graham told Glynn Hill (Chronicle beat reporter) that he was offered a non-coaching position.
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(04-26-2018 04:51 PM)ExcitedOwl18 Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 03:49 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 12:35 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.

That is blatantly not true. Please stop spreading lies. He asked for one, final, one-year extension. Period. The way this was handled was disgraceful and embarrassing, and the blame does not rest on Coach Graham.

He didn't pull that out of his ass. Graham told Glynn Hill (Chronicle beat reporter) that he was offered a non-coaching position.

1. My comment above ("blatantly not true") was referring to the comment that he doesn't think he should stop coaching anytime soon.

2. The position he was offered was not in the athletic department...and was made by Leebron; not our AD.
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(04-26-2018 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.

Seems whiny imo.

Graham seems like the kind of guy that would have coached until he died. Would've run the program further into the ground even more than he already has.
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(04-27-2018 09:05 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.

Seems whiny imo.

Graham seems like the kind of guy that would coach until he died. Would've run the program further into the ground even more than he already has.

One bad year...............

He should have a statue built at Rice's ballpark

MT handled it about the same way with longtime football coach, then AD Boots Donnelly. He found out he was fired from his AD position on the Internet. Just pathetic.
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(04-27-2018 09:08 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:05 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.

Seems whiny imo.

Graham seems like the kind of guy that would coach until he died. Would've run the program further into the ground even more than he already has.

One bad year...............

He should have a statue built at Rice's ballpark

MT handled it about the same way with longtime football coach, then AD Boots Donnelly. He found out he was fired from his AD position on the Internet. Just pathetic.

Rice has been on the decline for several years now. He doesn't deserve a lifetime deal because he won a title 15 years ago.
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(04-27-2018 09:26 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:08 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:05 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.

Seems whiny imo.

Graham seems like the kind of guy that would coach until he died. Would've run the program further into the ground even more than he already has.

One bad year...............

He should have a statue built at Rice's ballpark

MT handled it about the same way with longtime football coach, then AD Boots Donnelly. He found out he was fired from his AD position on the Internet. Just pathetic.

Rice has been on the decline for several years now. He doesn't deserve a lifetime deal because he won a title 15 years ago.

But he did deserve one more year, to go out on HIS "not unreasonable" terms.
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(04-27-2018 09:28 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:26 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:08 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  
(04-27-2018 09:05 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 10:23 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  The new coach will have some BIG cleats to fill. That is for sure.

I like that Graham came out in public with his statements.

Seems whiny imo.

Graham seems like the kind of guy that would coach until he died. Would've run the program further into the ground even more than he already has.

One bad year...............

He should have a statue built at Rice's ballpark

MT handled it about the same way with longtime football coach, then AD Boots Donnelly. He found out he was fired from his AD position on the Internet. Just pathetic.

Rice has been on the decline for several years now. He doesn't deserve a lifetime deal because he won a title 15 years ago.

But he did deserve one more year, to go out on HIS "not unreasonable" terms.

We don't know what his terms were.
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(04-26-2018 03:49 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 12:35 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:01 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  A baseball legend honestly. His contributions cannot be understated with regards to Rice on the national stage of college baseball. 23 straight postseasons, a host of CUSA championships, and a national championship.

Walt-----what are your personal thoughts on this situation?

I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.

That is blatantly not true. Please stop spreading lies. He asked for one, final, one-year extension. Period. The way this was handled was disgraceful and embarrassing, and the blame does not rest on Coach Graham.

Oh please Walt. You asked for 1 more year for him in your letter to the AD. Nothing the last several years has merited an extension. He’s stated before on multiple occasions that he wants to coach as long as he can.
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Well,

Hopefully you all can celebrate his career in an appropriate manner, as we wind down the season.

MT fans would kill for your kind of consistent baseball success. We built a new stadium and, ever since, our team has gone on a downhill slide.
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There was a pretty long stretch during his tenure when we were pleased if we could salvage taking 1 of 3 from Rice.
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(04-27-2018 01:12 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 03:49 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 12:35 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:46 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  
(04-26-2018 08:32 AM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  I think the world of Coach Graham, but recognize it was time for a transition. However, the way his contract situation was handled was unbecoming and an embarrassment to the University. Wayne deserved so much better. If, as I've heard from multiple sources, this decision by our AD was made over the Summer, it should have been announced before the season started (ala the way Stanford handled the retirement of Marquess last year). For what Graham has meant to the Athletic Department and the University overall, his request for one, final, one-year extension was not out of line and should have been granted, IMO. That would have allowed for a smooth and honorable transition.

I agree. A guy that has contributed this much to the university and the game needs to have an honorable, mutual exit. Hopefully that can still be achieved, but it doesn't look like that is much of a possibility now.....

There was never going to be a mutual exit. Wayne doesn’t think he should stop coaching anytime soon. He was apparently offered a position in the athletic department and declined. Legendary coach but it’s time to move on.

That is blatantly not true. Please stop spreading lies. He asked for one, final, one-year extension. Period. The way this was handled was disgraceful and embarrassing, and the blame does not rest on Coach Graham.

Oh please Walt. You asked for 1 more year for him in your letter to the AD. Nothing the last several years has merited an extension. He’s stated before on multiple occasions that he wants to coach as long as he can.

No. Coach Graham officially requested a final, one-year extension in his letter on February 20th, before the Stanford series (when we were 3-1 on the season). That's a fact.
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