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(04-23-2018 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  David, none of that is likely going to happen. At best, it is a very slim possibility after 2036.

Your proposal is pretty much message board fanboy fantasy.

Delany has tried and failed since the early Nineties to get ND into the Big Ten for all sports.

Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.
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(04-24-2018 10:25 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 09:28 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  The thing some of you are missing

The SEC and ACC are becoming linked through ESPN. Conferences are still important but the WWL's own self-interest is to keep their investment in tact.

Good point.
“ESPN told was us what to do”—The most disgusting words ever uttered.

The ACC is safe as is until both ESPN and the SEC determine that FSU and Clemson, and maybe others such as GT, VT, NC and Louisville, would be worth substantially more playing a SEC football schedule than the athletic value of the rest of the ACC combined.

If that happens you will see a change, though it may wait until after the Big 12 conference issues are resolved heading into their next contract negotiations.
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(04-23-2018 09:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  David, none of that is likely going to happen. At best, it is a very slim possibility after 2036.

Your proposal is pretty much message board fanboy fantasy.

Delany has tried and failed since the early Nineties to get ND into the Big Ten for all sports.



Not a fanboy ideas when the freedom of information act got involved by a local paper with Delaney's ideas on this. He wanted east coast schools to lure Notre Dame to join as full member. Notre Dame wanted ACC over the Big 10 because of the exposure. Grabbing those schools could forced the hands of Notre Dame. ND may not want to stay in a waterdown ACC when the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC picked the meaty parts. ND could either join the Big 10, or join the Big East for olympic sports. We can not discount what Delaney's scheming plans are to grow the Big 10 bigger.

East coast schools maybe. ND?? Did you read any of the ND finances thread, DavidSt??? You do know that ND just got a brand new football practice facility and a basketball-only practice facility too right??? With just donations.
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(04-24-2018 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I believe both the B1G and SEC would love to add the combination of UNC and UVA. Adding more than two schools, though, would absolutely exceed anyone's concept of a reasonable conference size. In addition, adding a second from any one state would diminish the value of any expansion, since a big part of the justification would be to expand the footprint within which their conference networks can collect maximum rates. The problem becomes that, even if UNC were open to changing conferences, it is not going anywhere without Duke, forcing either the B1G or SEC to take four schools if they also want a presence in Virginia, or to take two schools from the same state. Both of these choices are less than ideal.

pretty sure that the B1G's master plan would be to grab UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas out of the schools in the ACC and B12 and try to convince ND to finally come aboard.
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(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.
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(04-24-2018 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.

I can see all of the P5 football conferences go 16 teams each. I also can see no independents allowed in the P5 division.

ACC currently 14.
Big 10 currently 14.
Big 12 currently 10.
PAC 12 currently 12.
SEC Big 10 currently 14.

I think, if it did happen Notre Dame would have to join a conference for football or drop a division. 07-coffee3
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(04-24-2018 11:12 AM)AntiG Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I believe both the B1G and SEC would love to add the combination of UNC and UVA. Adding more than two schools, though, would absolutely exceed anyone's concept of a reasonable conference size. In addition, adding a second from any one state would diminish the value of any expansion, since a big part of the justification would be to expand the footprint within which their conference networks can collect maximum rates. The problem becomes that, even if UNC were open to changing conferences, it is not going anywhere without Duke, forcing either the B1G or SEC to take four schools if they also want a presence in Virginia, or to take two schools from the same state. Both of these choices are less than ideal.

pretty sure that the B1G's master plan would be to grab UVA, UNC, Duke, GT, FSU, Clemson, Oklahoma, Kansas, Texas out of the schools in the ACC and B12 and try to convince ND to finally come aboard.

Cool 24 teams...a nice cozy conference. The ECAC sez hi.
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(04-24-2018 11:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.

I can see all of the P5 football conferences go 16 teams each. I also can see no independents allowed in the P5 division.

ACC currently 14.
Big 10 currently 14.
Big 12 currently 10.
PAC 12 currently 12.
SEC Big 10 currently 14.

I think, if it did happen Notre Dame would have to join a conference for football or drop a division. 07-coffee3

But there 65 "P" teams. If Notre Dame joins a 16 team league, then one school has to go. Which one has to leave?
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(04-24-2018 12:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 11:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.

I can see all of the P5 football conferences go 16 teams each. I also can see no independents allowed in the P5 division.

ACC currently 14.
Big 10 currently 14.
Big 12 currently 10.
PAC 12 currently 12.
SEC Big 10 currently 14.

I think, if it did happen Notre Dame would have to join a conference for football or drop a division. 07-coffee3

But there 65 "P" teams. If Notre Dame joins a 16 team league, then one school has to go. Which one has to leave?

That's assuming one of the autonomous conferences folds. If there's still five power conference you'd have 80 teams. You could bring in Notre Dame and 15 other schools. Although I'd argue if we're going to change the landscape that much there should be some trimming of come current P5s as well.
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(04-24-2018 08:21 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 07:30 AM)miko33 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 06:00 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 10:44 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 09:35 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Not a fanboy ideas when the freedom of information act got involved by a local paper with Delaney's ideas on this. He wanted east coast schools to lure Notre Dame to join as full member. Notre Dame wanted ACC over the Big 10 because of the exposure. Grabbing those schools could forced the hands of Notre Dame. ND may not want to stay in a waterdown ACC when the Big 10, Big 12 and SEC picked the meaty parts. ND could either join the Big 10, or join the Big East for olympic sports. We can not discount what Delaney's scheming plans are to grow the Big 10 bigger.

Well Delany posted on message boards as He1nousOne so............

Was that him?

Correct. It's JD's nom de plume.

I'm sure that's just a joke but I do think a certain poster is a certain someone who works for a certain company. Since we are going there...

Yes that's true, David is a disinformation specialist for Homeland Security who has been monitoring board traffic these past 3 years.
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(04-24-2018 08:22 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I believe both the B1G and SEC would love to add the combination of UNC and UVA. Adding more than two schools, though, would absolutely exceed anyone's concept of a reasonable conference size. In addition, adding a second from any one state would diminish the value of any expansion, since a big part of the justification would be to expand the footprint within which their conference networks can collect maximum rates. The problem becomes that, even if UNC were open to changing conferences, it is not going anywhere without Duke, forcing either the B1G or SEC to take four schools if they also want a presence in Virginia, or to take two schools from the same state. Both of these choices are less than ideal.

Adding Duke doesn't really hurt them though like adding an Iowa State, Pitt or a Virginia Tech might. Duke brings tremendous value to any conference in BBall and them along with UNC gives you very valuable asset. If they have to go to 18 to get UVA, UNC and Duke they do it.

This is all hypothetical but if it's moving all towards streaming then you need as many valuable assets (Games and programs) people really want to see. Add those 3 along with a Syracuse and the B1G has a territory that covers the mid-west and the mid-atlantic. If they would want to go to 20 then schools like BC, KU, OU and Mizz make the most sense. All hypothetical of course.
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(04-24-2018 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.

It's quite obvious to me that you missed the last Illuminati meeting. Where were you by the way?
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Either at work or at home, lol!!! Did I miss anything important??
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(04-24-2018 12:10 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 11:51 AM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 11:15 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

IMO some of the biggest categories of message board fantasy when it comes to realignment are:

1) Arguing that contracts or bylaws or NCAA rules are not real (or can be broken at no cost) just because those contracts/bylaws/rules are inconvenient obstacles to some realignment dream.

2) Arguing that a conference will add new members even if the existing members don't make much more money per-school because of the addition, or that a school will switch conferences even if it costs them money.

3) Arguing that there is an infinite amount of TV money available and that TV networks will just hand out more whenever someone knocks on the door, like candy on Halloween.

Claiming that the Big Ten or SEC will add 4-6 new members is a fantasy that covers all three of those categories.

I can see all of the P5 football conferences go 16 teams each. I also can see no independents allowed in the P5 division.

ACC currently 14.
Big 10 currently 14.
Big 12 currently 10.
PAC 12 currently 12.
SEC Big 10 currently 14.

I think, if it did happen Notre Dame would have to join a conference for football or drop a division. 07-coffee3

But there 65 "P" teams. If Notre Dame joins a 16 team league, then one school has to go. Which one has to leave?

16x5=80 say again? 64+16=80. Notre Dame would be one of the 16 teams added. Unless Notre Dame declines, then they are on thier own. The 16 team would be who the current P5 wants from the G5. 07-coffee3
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(04-24-2018 10:56 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(04-23-2018 05:47 PM)TerryD Wrote:  David, none of that is likely going to happen. At best, it is a very slim possibility after 2036.

Your proposal is pretty much message board fanboy fantasy.

Delany has tried and failed since the early Nineties to get ND into the Big Ten for all sports.

Leaving Notre Dame out of the discussion, what makes you think UNC, et.al (leaving out ND from DavidSt’s group) is message board fantasy TerryD?? I have to agree with DavidSt on UNC and some of the other schools he listed. Unlike ND, UNC can’t just get donations anytime they want to.

Well, there was no GOR in the 2010-14 time frame. There was no deal on an ACC Network.

There was nothing to prevent North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, etc... from joining the Big Ten, except....they didn't.

Even then, the Big Ten made lots more money than the ACC. Rumors were rife that the ACC was there to be picked apart.

There were lots of rumors that schools like UNC might make a move to the Big Ten.

Then...only Maryland made a change. Everyone else in the ACC bound themselves together with the GOR to go along with the exit fee.

Now, there is a GOR until 2036. Why would people think that North Carolina, for instance, has any interest in trying to break the GOR, abandon the conference they are in/started, get embroiled in litigation, etc...?


Why didn't they stand on the ground (no GOR, easy to move) and join the Big Ten, instead of choosing to climb a tree (GOR, exit fee) to do so?
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I actually have always liked the idea of 80 Major College Football Teams. Hmmm thread starter idea.
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Sure have been a lot of twists and turns on this thread that started about an Alumni that decided to gift a million dollars to his alma mater.
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(04-24-2018 08:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Sure have been a lot of twists and turns on this thread that started about an Alumni that decided to gift a million dollars to his alma mater.
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My fav part of it is that it was confirmed Jim Delany was heinous1. He listed himself as an Iowa fan but he was never that interested in Iowa. We had some great conversations about OU to the Big 10. He insisted they were in, I never thought that was a possibility ever. Now I find out he’s JD....wow
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(04-25-2018 12:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 08:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Sure have been a lot of twists and turns on this thread that started about an Alumni that decided to gift a million dollars to his alma mater.
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My fav part of it is that it was confirmed Jim Delany was heinous1. He listed himself as an Iowa fan but he was never that interested in Iowa. We had some great conversations about OU to the Big 10. He insisted they were in, I never thought that was a possibility ever. Now I find out he’s JD....wow

Now you understand why he gifted UNC. He's retiring in 2020 so he's feathering his nest for a soft and receptive landing!04-cheers

It was a Mea Culpa for Maryland! Remember H1 always claimed he was the first one to make the call on Maryland.......hmm?
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(04-25-2018 02:05 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(04-25-2018 12:47 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(04-24-2018 08:03 PM)XLance Wrote:  Sure have been a lot of twists and turns on this thread that started about an Alumni that decided to gift a million dollars to his alma mater.
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My fav part of it is that it was confirmed Jim Delany was heinous1. He listed himself as an Iowa fan but he was never that interested in Iowa. We had some great conversations about OU to the Big 10. He insisted they were in, I never thought that was a possibility ever. Now I find out he’s JD....wow

Now you understand why he gifted UNC. He's retiring in 2020 so he's feathering his nest for a soft and receptive landing!04-cheers

It was a Mea Culpa for Maryland! Remember H1 always claimed he was the first one to make the call on Maryland.......hmm?

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