Between the BigXII and ACC, it damn sure won't be the BigXII that survives in any form. It'll be the first to crumble.

What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

In fairness the Big 12 refused to extend it's GOR last year. Their TV contract is up in 2024. And those two factors have led to the speculation about their potential demise. Boren pushing for additions that did not come also added to this. The lineup of G5 schools to reject last year didn't help either.

But with all of that said and done. Nothing precludes Texas and Oklahoma from flirting around to find out after NDA's how much money the other conferences are really making and would offer and having found out that information they will likely sign an extension of the Big 12 GOR for another 10 years around 2022 or 3.

I'm sure they are going to want to know what impact streaming has on the other conference networks prior to surrendering their own T3 deals inclusive of the LHN. There is so much up in the air right now that their ability to discover what other conferences are making, losing, or planning to do because of the change in delivery models and potential change in pay models is best found out through flirtations. So it's easy to understand why they didn't extend the GOR last year. If they had nobody would share NDA covered information with them.

If there is evidence of a stronger undermining of conference linear networks than what is reported publicly then waiting 10 years for pressure to build on other parties that would be hurt by this (here's looking at the PAC self owned network and the potential of the ACCN) it could affect the long term viability of the Big 12 in very positive ways.

So I see less and less reason for the Big 12 to want to act definitively now and more reasons for them to maintain status quo.

The only wild card on the table right now with regards to potential realignment are the networks who might be looking to lock down the rights of programs they desire prior to the entry of new competitors in the sports rights business. But from a conference perspective I see no incentive for any of them to make moves. If anything some buyers remorse seems to be deepening. Without the market model to fall back upon just how good were the additions of Rutgers and Missouri, or for that matter B.C. or Pitt?

The next round of realignment when it occurs will likely be in response to the new delivery and pay paradigms.

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

But JR will tell us that the SEC still makes more than the B1G, so they have that going for them.

(04-27-2018 01:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

But JR will tell us that the SEC still makes more than the B1G, so they have that going for them.

We do. But Trump is wrong. We don't need a wall on the border with Mexico as much as we need one along the Mason Dixon line to keep those who have ruined part of the North from heading South and trying to spoil what we have, but unfortunately they seem to be headed our way in some numbers. Higher taxes and declining enrollment are hurting the North more, but an influx will be inflationary on our cost of living and the extra demand on municipal infrastructure will inevitably lead to higher taxes here.

So I can understand the need for the dream of jillybillywillion dollars a year and I don't begrudge them that as long as they stay parked right where they are.

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

The ACC is the old Big East. The weak dog in the pack.

(04-27-2018 01:37 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 01:20 PM)XLance Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

But JR will tell us that the SEC still makes more than the B1G, so they have that going for them.

We do. But Trump is wrong. We don't need a wall on the border with Mexico as much as we need one along the Mason Dixon line to keep those who have ruined part of the North from heading South and trying to spoil what we have, but unfortunately they seem to be headed our way in some numbers. Higher taxes and declining enrollment are hurting the North more, but an influx will be inflationary on our cost of living and the extra demand on municipal infrastructure will inevitably lead to higher taxes here.

So I can understand the need for the dream of jillybillywillion dollars a year and I don't begrudge them that as long as they stay parked right where they are.

I'd love to live in the South but I can't bear the heat and humidity nor the loss of Big Ten football.

Oklahoma and probably Texas too will be shopping around for the best financial deal they can get. Texlahoma 4 to the SEC is probably Oklahoma's dream.

Jim Delaney will likely be scramble to try to put together an amenable counter offer. Too many moving parts in play because they'd probably have to bring Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas A&M all into the fold to match what the Sooners would have in that SEC scenario and getting all of those on board is a very tough sell.

(04-27-2018 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

In fairness the Big 12 refused to extend it's GOR last year. Their TV contract is up in 2024. And those two factors have led to the speculation about their potential demise. Boren pushing for additions that did not come also added to this. The lineup of G5 schools to reject last year didn't help either.

But with all of that said and done. Nothing precludes Texas and Oklahoma from flirting around to find out after NDA's how much money the other conferences are really making and would offer and having found out that information they will likely sign an extension of the Big 12 GOR for another 10 years around 2022 or 3.

I'm sure they are going to want to know what impact streaming has on the other conference networks prior to surrendering their own T3 deals inclusive of the LHN. There is so much up in the air right now that their ability to discover what other conferences are making, losing, or planning to do because of the change in delivery models and potential change in pay models is best found out through flirtations. So it's easy to understand why they didn't extend the GOR last year. If they had nobody would share NDA covered information with them.

If there is evidence of a stronger undermining of conference linear networks than what is reported publicly then waiting 10 years for pressure to build on other parties that would be hurt by this (here's looking at the PAC self owned network and the potential of the ACCN) it could affect the long term viability of the Big 12 in very positive ways.

So I see less and less reason for the Big 12 to want to act definitively now and more reasons for them to maintain status quo.

The only wild card on the table right now with regards to potential realignment are the networks who might be looking to lock down the rights of programs they desire prior to the entry of new competitors in the sports rights business. But from a conference perspective I see no incentive for any of them to make moves. If anything some buyers remorse seems to be deepening. Without the market model to fall back upon just how good were the additions of Rutgers and Missouri, or for that matter B.C. or Pitt?

The next round of realignment when it occurs will likely be in response to the new delivery and pay paradigms.

I know the big 10 fans hated hated the Rutgers add. That was so stupid.

(04-27-2018 05:34 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

In fairness the Big 12 refused to extend it's GOR last year. Their TV contract is up in 2024. And those two factors have led to the speculation about their potential demise. Boren pushing for additions that did not come also added to this. The lineup of G5 schools to reject last year didn't help either.

But with all of that said and done. Nothing precludes Texas and Oklahoma from flirting around to find out after NDA's how much money the other conferences are really making and would offer and having found out that information they will likely sign an extension of the Big 12 GOR for another 10 years around 2022 or 3.

I'm sure they are going to want to know what impact streaming has on the other conference networks prior to surrendering their own T3 deals inclusive of the LHN. There is so much up in the air right now that their ability to discover what other conferences are making, losing, or planning to do because of the change in delivery models and potential change in pay models is best found out through flirtations. So it's easy to understand why they didn't extend the GOR last year. If they had nobody would share NDA covered information with them.

If there is evidence of a stronger undermining of conference linear networks than what is reported publicly then waiting 10 years for pressure to build on other parties that would be hurt by this (here's looking at the PAC self owned network and the potential of the ACCN) it could affect the long term viability of the Big 12 in very positive ways.

So I see less and less reason for the Big 12 to want to act definitively now and more reasons for them to maintain status quo.

The only wild card on the table right now with regards to potential realignment are the networks who might be looking to lock down the rights of programs they desire prior to the entry of new competitors in the sports rights business. But from a conference perspective I see no incentive for any of them to make moves. If anything some buyers remorse seems to be deepening. Without the market model to fall back upon just how good were the additions of Rutgers and Missouri, or for that matter B.C. or Pitt?

The next round of realignment when it occurs will likely be in response to the new delivery and pay paradigms.

I know the big 10 fans hated hated the Rutgers add. That was so stupid.

Hahaha not as much as all those AAC fans who thought they should have gotten the invite. BTW the B1G schools sure do love all those extra of millions they get right now from having Rutgers in the conference.

(04-27-2018 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

In fairness the Big 12 refused to extend it's GOR last year. Their TV contract is up in 2024. And those two factors have led to the speculation about their potential demise. Boren pushing for additions that did not come also added to this. The lineup of G5 schools to reject last year didn't help either.

But with all of that said and done. Nothing precludes Texas and Oklahoma from flirting around to find out after NDA's how much money the other conferences are really making and would offer and having found out that information they will likely sign an extension of the Big 12 GOR for another 10 years around 2022 or 3.

I'm sure they are going to want to know what impact streaming has on the other conference networks prior to surrendering their own T3 deals inclusive of the LHN. There is so much up in the air right now that their ability to discover what other conferences are making, losing, or planning to do because of the change in delivery models and potential change in pay models is best found out through flirtations. So it's easy to understand why they didn't extend the GOR last year. If they had nobody would share NDA covered information with them.

If there is evidence of a stronger undermining of conference linear networks than what is reported publicly then waiting 10 years for pressure to build on other parties that would be hurt by this (here's looking at the PAC self owned network and the potential of the ACCN) it could affect the long term viability of the Big 12 in very positive ways.

So I see less and less reason for the Big 12 to want to act definitively now and more reasons for them to maintain status quo.

The only wild card on the table right now with regards to potential realignment are the networks who might be looking to lock down the rights of programs they desire prior to the entry of new competitors in the sports rights business. But from a conference perspective I see no incentive for any of them to make moves. If anything some buyers remorse seems to be deepening. Without the market model to fall back upon just how good were the additions of Rutgers and Missouri, or for that matter B.C. or Pitt?

The next round of realignment when it occurs will likely be in response to the new delivery and pay paradigms.

So the BigXII didn't sign to extend the GOR because they're smarter than everyone else and are simply waiting and seeing? Bollocks. Surely even you're not naive enough to believe this crap.

(04-27-2018 02:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

The ACC is the old Big East. The weak dog in the pack.

The ACC's GOR lasts almost ten years longer than the BigXII, but here's Mr. Mid-Major G5 fan saying THEY'RE the weak ones. Run along back to the American. Grown ups are talking.

(04-29-2018 01:33 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  Hahaha not as much as all those AAC fans who thought they should have gotten the invite. BTW the B1G schools sure do love all those extra of millions they get right now from having Rutgers in the conference.

Yes, yes, we all know adding Rutgers was a necessary evil to sneak on to several million cable boxes of customers who are indifferent to Rutgers. Congrats on being the anchor chained securely to the pot of gold.

(05-03-2018 06:56 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 12:20 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 11:52 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

Easy question. We'll see lots of arguments that GORs are unenforceable, and schools can move whenever they want, and the Big Ten is going to add 10 new members and give each of them $100 jillybillywillion dollars a year.

In fairness the Big 12 refused to extend it's GOR last year. Their TV contract is up in 2024. And those two factors have led to the speculation about their potential demise. Boren pushing for additions that did not come also added to this. The lineup of G5 schools to reject last year didn't help either.

But with all of that said and done. Nothing precludes Texas and Oklahoma from flirting around to find out after NDA's how much money the other conferences are really making and would offer and having found out that information they will likely sign an extension of the Big 12 GOR for another 10 years around 2022 or 3.

I'm sure they are going to want to know what impact streaming has on the other conference networks prior to surrendering their own T3 deals inclusive of the LHN. There is so much up in the air right now that their ability to discover what other conferences are making, losing, or planning to do because of the change in delivery models and potential change in pay models is best found out through flirtations. So it's easy to understand why they didn't extend the GOR last year. If they had nobody would share NDA covered information with them.

If there is evidence of a stronger undermining of conference linear networks than what is reported publicly then waiting 10 years for pressure to build on other parties that would be hurt by this (here's looking at the PAC self owned network and the potential of the ACCN) it could affect the long term viability of the Big 12 in very positive ways.

So I see less and less reason for the Big 12 to want to act definitively now and more reasons for them to maintain status quo.

The only wild card on the table right now with regards to potential realignment are the networks who might be looking to lock down the rights of programs they desire prior to the entry of new competitors in the sports rights business. But from a conference perspective I see no incentive for any of them to make moves. If anything some buyers remorse seems to be deepening. Without the market model to fall back upon just how good were the additions of Rutgers and Missouri, or for that matter B.C. or Pitt?

The next round of realignment when it occurs will likely be in response to the new delivery and pay paradigms.

So the BigXII didn't sign to extend the GOR because they're smarter than everyone else and are simply waiting and seeing? Bollocks. Surely even you're not naive enough to believe this crap.

Surely you are intelligent enough to know that two schools as secure as Oklahoma and Texas (#7 and #1 in total revenue respectively) will want all of the information they can obtain before weighing options. I mean they didn't get to their current positions by being ignorant, or impulsive.

Your implication is that Texas and Oklahoma are taking the "smart approach" and "Waiting and seeing" while literally the entire PAC, ACC, B1G, and SEC all just rushed into something. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical, to say the least, about that. Ultimately, I think Oklahoma and Texas may want to be with each other, but they're both discontented with the current BigXII and there's nobody they can add who will add any significant value. Texas and Oklahoma are looking to leave, and they won't be the only ones to do so when the BigXII comes crashing down.

(05-04-2018 06:43 AM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  Your implication is that Texas and Oklahoma are taking the "smart approach" and "Waiting and seeing" while literally the entire PAC, ACC, B1G, and SEC all just rushed into something. You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical, to say the least, about that. Ultimately, I think Oklahoma and Texas may want to be with each other, but they're both discontented with the current BigXII and there's nobody they can add who will add any significant value. Texas and Oklahoma are looking to leave, and they won't be the only ones to do so when the BigXII comes crashing down.

I didn't say that they wanted to stay or wanted to leave. I merely said that they want to know all of their options and if they aren't to their liking they will wait it out. It's not like they aren't making plenty of money.

(04-25-2018 10:14 AM)Wolfman Wrote:  The next step is for schools to start their own streaming services. The biggest expense is the video equipment which most of the P5 has or will have shortly. The computer equipment is inexpensive by comparison. There will be no conference media contracts. Networks will pick the games they want. Some schools will be able to negotiate broadcast deals but the days of a network paying billions to a conference when all they really want is OSU and Michigan are numbered.

Conferences will revert back to the regional entities they once were.

This is what I see happening too.

(05-03-2018 06:57 PM)Rabbit_in_Red Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 02:37 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 10:14 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What are you all going to do with your spare time when the Big 12 signs a TV extension in a few years?

The ACC is the old Big East. The weak dog in the pack.

The ACC's GOR lasts almost ten years longer than the BigXII, but here's Mr. Mid-Major G5 fan saying THEY'RE the weak ones. Run along back to the American. Grown ups are talking.

I know grown ups are talking on this thread because I’ve made many posts on it. You just crashed it. You “run along”. The ACC is currently the ACC minus Maryland plus 5 Big East schools and 1 CUSA City State school. I think that makes the ACC the weakest of the pack. Clemson, Florida St, Virginia Tech, North Carolina and NC ST will be fine though when the dust settles. I’ll probably be against the American taking back Louisville, but I won’t be surprised when ECU is back in a conference with Louisville.

Rutgers to the Big 10 was a long time coming once Penn State made the move. They had no real football history with anybody (academies aside) and life as an eastern independent was sort of forced on them because Lehigh, Lafayette, and the likes moved down to 1-AA.