(04-27-2018 06:13 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 05:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  My thoughts are that if UCF made the playoff last year that the media wouldn't say the American is a power conference. Instead they'd be up in arms about how "a G5 school made it to the playoffs when there were more deserving P5s".

The ESPN, p5 playoff selection committee will not allow a g5 to advance to their playoffs and quit frankly at this point I’d rather focus on a g5 playoff system that includes all g5 conferences only and in all sports
College sports in general has grown in sheer numbers to the point that it’s to big to manage as one big entity and keep everybody happy and on the same playing field
College football is the big issue here and is the main driver in an FBS split other than the total number of schools who want to compete at the highest FBS level and the ones wanting to move up
So we have the p5 schools that have already split off and locked the door to everybody else that has an FBS football team and it seems to me that the p5 thing is spreading to basketball too, I think as time goes on the p5 image will continue to spread out to all the other p5 college sports
What’s happening in regards to what the networks are pushing with the p5 is really a natural evaluation of college football and the upside is we will end up with two or even three college sports divisions competing for the same championships “ mybe “ and of course without a selection committee, good Lordy

NO NADA NO WAY JOSE

(04-27-2018 05:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  My thoughts are that if UCF made the playoff last year that the media wouldn't say the American is a power conference. Instead they'd be up in arms about how "a G5 school made it to the playoffs when there were more deserving P5s".

I agree with you on this. This is why I'm praying and hoping that the AAC can get some fair bids from NBC and CBS because their talking heads wouldn't be so anti AAC " The AAC is nothing more than a g5" bias. I truly believe that NBC would build an entire day of college football around the AAC and Notre Dame games including pre and post game shows that would push the AAC as a power conference as a way to increase the ratings thereby increasing their bottom line $$$

(04-28-2018 12:37 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 05:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  My thoughts are that if UCF made the playoff last year that the media wouldn't say the American is a power conference. Instead they'd be up in arms about how "a G5 school made it to the playoffs when there were more deserving P5s".

I agree with you on this. This is why I'm praying and hoping that the AAC can get some fair bids from NBC and CBS because their talking heads wouldn't be so anti AAC " The AAC is nothing more than a g5" bias. I truly believe that NBC would build an entire day of college football around the AAC and Notre Dame games including pre and post game shows that would push the AAC as a power conference as a way to increase the ratings thereby increasing their bottom line $$$

Anybody can call the AAC a power conference and pay 25 million but if we don’t get access to the playoffs it means we’re still on the outside looking in

(04-28-2018 12:51 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 12:37 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 05:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  My thoughts are that if UCF made the playoff last year that the media wouldn't say the American is a power conference. Instead they'd be up in arms about how "a G5 school made it to the playoffs when there were more deserving P5s".

I agree with you on this. This is why I'm praying and hoping that the AAC can get some fair bids from NBC and CBS because their talking heads wouldn't be so anti AAC " The AAC is nothing more than a g5" bias. I truly believe that NBC would build an entire day of college football around the AAC and Notre Dame games including pre and post game shows that would push the AAC as a power conference as a way to increase the ratings thereby increasing their bottom line $$$

Anybody can call the AAC a power conference and pay 25 million but if we don’t get access to the playoffs it means we’re still on the outside looking in

You never know. NBC or NBC and CBS could start or buy a ny6 bowl with a guaranteed spot for Notre Dame or the AAC chanp. I'd be on cloud nine if that were to happen and with Notre Dame tied in it may not be totally impossible to fathom. Under that scenario even ESPN would have to acknowledge us. Before anyone bring me back to reality, I can dream can't I. GO ARESCO

(04-28-2018 01:05 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 12:51 PM)JHS55 Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 12:37 PM)Tigersmoke4 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 05:42 PM)McKinney Wrote:  My thoughts are that if UCF made the playoff last year that the media wouldn't say the American is a power conference. Instead they'd be up in arms about how "a G5 school made it to the playoffs when there were more deserving P5s".

I agree with you on this. This is why I'm praying and hoping that the AAC can get some fair bids from NBC and CBS because their talking heads wouldn't be so anti AAC " The AAC is nothing more than a g5" bias. I truly believe that NBC would build an entire day of college football around the AAC and Notre Dame games including pre and post game shows that would push the AAC as a power conference as a way to increase the ratings thereby increasing their bottom line $$$

Anybody can call the AAC a power conference and pay 25 million but if we don’t get access to the playoffs it means we’re still on the outside looking in

You never know. NBC or NBC and CBS could start or buy a ny6 bowl with a guaranteed spot for Notre Dame or the AAC chanp. I'd be on cloud nine if that were to happen and with Notre Dame tied in it may not be totally impossible to fathom. Under that scenario even ESPN would have to acknowledge us. Before anyone bring me back to reality, I can dream can't I. GO ARESCO

ND will not be tied to us if NBC takes us. A new ny6 bowl is unlikely. The play off system will expand and take up the spots, the ny6 bowls will become the nit of the football world. Which isn't a bad thing given a 8 or 12 team play off you are talking about the top 20 or 24 teams playing. The expansion will cut the bottom bowls but every one will actually move down the selection process as the ny6 bowl will be picking from teams 9 and above instead of 5.

However I could see NBC arranging something similar to the ND bowl deals. We would gain an auto birth in the cotton or peach if a team is top 15 and not in the play off. This would guarantee our best team a ny6 bowl even if they don't gain the g5 auto bid. Important if an upset in the championship game happens or there is a g4 team who stays ranked ahead us. With NBC's backing, the performance of the AAC teams in the ny6 games on and off the field, and the fact that it appears most years we will be claiming the auto spot the bowls would probably be easy to sell.

This would be an ideal and achievable arrangement:

AAC Champion/Highest ranked team:

G5 auto birth
Cotton/Peach on rotation if top 15 finish
Liberty if not top 15

The Liberty would get first pick of non-NY6 AAC teams.
Armed Forces
Military
Hawaii
Boca Raton
Birmingham Bowl
Gasparilla

Alternating tie in with the Independence

Either the Peach or Cotton are well positioned in our footprint. With Dallas in the west and Atlanta in the east.

There are 3 in the middle of the conference, Biringham, Independence, Military and most importantly the Liberty.

The Armed forces sits nicely in the middle of the west. The two Florida bowls are good locations, the Hawaii is a great reward for a team.

(04-28-2018 03:07 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  ND will not be tied to us if NBC takes us. A new ny6 bowl is unlikely. The play off system will expand and take up the spots, the ny6 bowls will become the nit of the football world. Which isn't a bad thing given a 8 or 12 team play off you are talking about the top 20 or 24 teams playing. The expansion will cut the bottom bowls but every one will actually move down the selection process as the ny6 bowl will be picking from teams 9 and above instead of 5.

That doesn't sound like a bad thing. I actually like how that goes hand in hand with the "Top 25".

(04-28-2018 03:07 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  However I could see NBC arranging something similar to the ND bowl deals. We would gain an auto birth in the cotton or peach if a team is top 15 and not in the play off. This would guarantee our best team a ny6 bowl even if they don't gain the g5 auto bid. Important if an upset in the championship game happens or there is a g4 team who stays ranked ahead us. With NBC's backing, the performance of the AAC teams in the ny6 games on and off the field, and the fact that it appears most years we will be claiming the auto spot the bowls would probably be easy to sell.

If the AAC gets an auto bid to a NY6 game and/or an auto bid to the playoffs in the same capacity as the current P5 structure, they need to nix their opportunity at the G5 (G4) bid.

(04-28-2018 03:14 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-28-2018 03:07 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  ND will not be tied to us if NBC takes us. A new ny6 bowl is unlikely. The play off system will expand and take up the spots, the ny6 bowls will become the nit of the football world. Which isn't a bad thing given a 8 or 12 team play off you are talking about the top 20 or 24 teams playing. The expansion will cut the bottom bowls but every one will actually move down the selection process as the ny6 bowl will be picking from teams 9 and above instead of 5.

That doesn't sound like a bad thing. I actually like how that goes hand in hand with the "Top 25".

(04-28-2018 03:07 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  However I could see NBC arranging something similar to the ND bowl deals. We would gain an auto birth in the cotton or peach if a team is top 15 and not in the play off. This would guarantee our best team a ny6 bowl even if they don't gain the g5 auto bid. Important if an upset in the championship game happens or there is a g4 team who stays ranked ahead us. With NBC's backing, the performance of the AAC teams in the ny6 games on and off the field, and the fact that it appears most years we will be claiming the auto spot the bowls would probably be easy to sell.

If the AAC gets an auto bid to a NY6 game and/or an auto bid to the playoffs in the same capacity as the current P5 structure, they need to nix their opportunity at the G5 (G4) bid.

My point on that is this right now it looks like 3 out of 5 years we are probably taking the g5 autobid. In that case the cotton or peach are likely to get us anyway. So what those bowls would essentially be signing up for is taking a top 15 team from the AAC in those 2 years we don't get the auto bid.

I think that's an easy sell because we have had the ratings, the performance, the ticket purchases. In this hypothetical we would have OTA broadcasts to market the teams all year and NBC money and corporate weight behind us.

This would be important because it would essentially make our top bowl by default a ny6 game.

Of course a play off team eliminates all of this. Although it is not clear what would happen to the g5 auto bid spot if a g5 qualified for the play offs.

P5 dooms day scenario. . Non-champion g5 team qualifies for play offs. G5 auto bid goes to 9-4 nr C-USA team as best Champion team. CUSA 9-4 champ beats down opponent g5 play off team wins championship.

Ha!

(04-27-2018 12:08 PM)McKinney Wrote:  If nothing else changed in the AAC (same budgets, same TV contracts, same facilities, etc.) would there be a benefit to becoming autonomous? If nothing else would it help the P6 campaign?

Can a conference just declare autonomy? How does that work?

The Stones declared themselves the greatest rock & roll band in the world, Michael Jackson declared himself the king of pop, and Stern declared himself king of all media. They hyped themselves because they all knew there were good and if something is repeated enough it eventually fulfills itself. That’s a big part of the P6 campaign as well. Winning on the big stage and constantly keeping it in the face of the p5 and media is the P6 campaign. So yeah we’ve basically declared autonomy and will keep declaring it non stop. UCF finished #1 in an NCAA recognized poll and are therefore 100% able to claim a share of the national championship. If we aren’t hyping ourselves and the conference’s achievements no one will. That’s what P6 is about, shattering the glass ceiling through performance and continually agitating by keeping it in their faces. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Gandhi nailed it.

(04-27-2018 01:02 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 12:55 PM)beefcake0520 Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 12:47 PM)McKinney Wrote:  

(04-27-2018 12:33 PM)gulfcoastgal Wrote:  Agreed, voting rights are the least of it. If the AAC could somehow get an auto access bowl slot and payout, they would by default be removed from the G5 pool. CUSA had equal BCS voting privileges, but was decidedly Non-BCS due to the AQ and tv money/exposure.

They did?

Yep, technically a BCS conference affiliate without any of the benefits. Mind blowing, right?

Yes it is. I hate to be nitpicky but do y'all have any sources indicating this? I've never heard of such a situation.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/AMA/legislative_...edures.pdf

Quote:1. One administrator or representative (who each shall have three votes) from each of the following seven conferences:
a. Atlantic Coast Conference;
b. Big East Conference;
c. Big Ten Conference;
d. Big 12 Conference;
e. Conference USA;
f. Pac-12 Conference; and
g. Southeastern Conference.

2. One administrator or representative (who shall have 1.5 votes) from each of the following four conferences:
a. Mid-American Conference;
b. Mountain West Conference;
c. Sun Belt Conference; and
d. Western Athletic Conference.

^ Thank you. Very interesting.

In a perfect world, the winner of the American gets a spot in an expanded 8 team playoff with the runner up going to the Citrus Bowl or Peach Bowl.