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RE: SBNation's Article On Who The MWC Should Expand With
which leads to another ?
MWC 16 could sell thier tier 3 rights to LHN & Pac12 network
both of them need inventory
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(04-29-2018 10:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
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(04-29-2018 07:01 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The MWC doesn't need to get into anything. I think Rice is interesting to take on, though - if they can get to "average" in basketball then you have a really good long-term partner.


Well, we were top 100 last year in basketball before getting our coach plucked (and the reload season that resulted this year). This year we’re top 100 in recruiting so yes, I think we have a shot at being a worthy MWC basketball program.

Does the Rice fan base want the MWC? Think it could work out like it did for TCU?

We're stuck in Sun Belt 2.0 right now with schools we have zero affinity with. Anything except the actual Sun belt would be an improvement. The AAC would probably be preferred so we can get back with old foes SMU and Houston, plus Tulane. But right now any life raft would look good.
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(04-30-2018 06:42 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 10:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 07:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 07:01 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The MWC doesn't need to get into anything. I think Rice is interesting to take on, though - if they can get to "average" in basketball then you have a really good long-term partner.


Well, we were top 100 last year in basketball before getting our coach plucked (and the reload season that resulted this year). This year we’re top 100 in recruiting so yes, I think we have a shot at being a worthy MWC basketball program.

Does the Rice fan base want the MWC? Think it could work out like it did for TCU?

We're stuck in Sun Belt 2.0 right now with schools we have zero affinity with. Anything except the actual Sun belt would be an improvement. The AAC would probably be preferred so we can get back with old foes SMU and Houston, plus Tulane. But right now any life raft would look good.

The Sun Belt 2.0 schools are running you CUSA dwellers up an down the field. I find it hilarious that Rice fans would look down their nose at former Sun Belt schools when Rice is one of the schools that's dragging CUSA down and your most recent conference title game featured two former Sun Belt schools.
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(04-30-2018 08:22 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
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(04-29-2018 07:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 07:01 PM)oliveandblue Wrote:  The MWC doesn't need to get into anything. I think Rice is interesting to take on, though - if they can get to "average" in basketball then you have a really good long-term partner.


Well, we were top 100 last year in basketball before getting our coach plucked (and the reload season that resulted this year). This year we’re top 100 in recruiting so yes, I think we have a shot at being a worthy MWC basketball program.

Does the Rice fan base want the MWC? Think it could work out like it did for TCU?

We're stuck in Sun Belt 2.0 right now with schools we have zero affinity with. Anything except the actual Sun belt would be an improvement. The AAC would probably be preferred so we can get back with old foes SMU and Houston, plus Tulane. But right now any life raft would look good.

The Sun Belt 2.0 schools are running you CUSA dwellers up an down the field. I find it hilarious that Rice fans would look down their nose at former Sun Belt schools when Rice is one of the schools that's dragging CUSA down and your most recent conference title game featured two former Sun Belt schools.


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(04-30-2018 08:35 AM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 08:22 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  
(04-30-2018 06:42 AM)loki_the_bubba Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 10:01 PM)NoDak Wrote:  
(04-29-2018 07:51 PM)owl at the moon Wrote:  Well, we were top 100 last year in basketball before getting our coach plucked (and the reload season that resulted this year). This year we’re top 100 in recruiting so yes, I think we have a shot at being a worthy MWC basketball program.

Does the Rice fan base want the MWC? Think it could work out like it did for TCU?

We're stuck in Sun Belt 2.0 right now with schools we have zero affinity with. Anything except the actual Sun belt would be an improvement. The AAC would probably be preferred so we can get back with old foes SMU and Houston, plus Tulane. But right now any life raft would look good.

The Sun Belt 2.0 schools are running you CUSA dwellers up an down the field. I find it hilarious that Rice fans would look down their nose at former Sun Belt schools when Rice is one of the schools that's dragging CUSA down and your most recent conference title game featured two former Sun Belt schools.


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and MIT is a D3 school. Academics are literally only looked at by University Presidents when considering potential conference additions. Academics, Endowments, City Population, Student Population, none of it has hardly anything to do with athletic success. TCU did not become what they are athletically because of their endowment.
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(04-29-2018 10:16 PM)joeben69 Wrote:  i would think that the texas schools would want to stick together in the same conference...the exception would be utep

utep makes the most geographic sense...they are an outlier in cusa and are in the same time zone as the mountain division mwc schools...

If that's the case, move UTEP to MWC and Texas State to CUSA.

that would be my thought too...


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It moves Boise and Utah St to the Pacific division too by going to 16 with Texas.

Then they could go to pods in basketball for scheduling.

Pacific: SJSU, Fresno, SDSU, Nevada, UNLV
Mountain: Boise, Utah St, WYO, Colorado St, AFA
Desert: New Mexico, UTEP, UTSA, UNT, Rice

I know that a) they're just names and b) this probably won't ever happen, but still I have to smirk at the idea that Rice, located in the city that had 35-45 inches of rain in five days during Hurricane Harvey last year, was placed in the "Desert" region.
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here's another tidbit regarding byu & the mwc having to do with sdsu...maybe the gonzaga gambit scared byu straight a little bit...

Aztecs, BYU to resume basketball series
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html
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[quote='joeben69' pid='15278649' dateline='1525242225']
here's another tidbit regarding byu & the mwc having to do with sdsu...maybe the gonzaga gambit scared byu straight a little bit...

Aztecs, BYU to resume basketball series
http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/spor...story.html
[/quote


I’ve seen you post this on a few different threads. BYU always wanted to schedule a MWC schools. It’s the MWC schools that wouldn’t schedule them after they bolted. The linked article even has a quote from the BYU coach saying “I hope so, I hope so” when asked if games vs New Mexico, UNLV and SDSU were still a possibility.
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The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).
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(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


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(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


Replace San jose State with Eastern Washington. Eastern Washington have won games including won games against PAC 12 teams. The fans do show up and they do travel just like NDSU. Eastern Washington's basketball have been on the rise. Eastern, Central and Western Washington schools have been on the rise in men's basketball. There seems to be a lot of talent going to Gonzaga and the three directional schools in the state. Getting Eastern Washington for recruiting for men's basketball might tell Gonzaga that they should have taken their offer, and use Eastern Washington t recruit players away from Gonzaga.
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(05-02-2018 09:16 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


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Man this feels like a Poe's law response....

But adding for the sake of adding is not really beneficial.
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(05-02-2018 09:53 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:16 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


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But adding for the sake of adding is not really beneficial.
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It’s pretty simple ..You want to tell the high school recruits MOTHER .. That she will see him on his games in Texas ... You want HIS NAME to be printed in the local newspaper .. You want your Conference Name to be included in the local newspaper .. You want to recruit more Texas kids because is the NUMBER ONE SOURCE FOR HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITS ...THE MW WILL NEVER BECOME A MAJOR CONFERENCE WITHOUT ZEROING IN ON TEXAS AND ITS TROVE OF HIGH SCHOOL TALENT


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(05-02-2018 10:00 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:53 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:16 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


Texas is THE NUMBER ONE ECONOMY IM THE NATION ... TEXAS IS ALSO THE NUMBER PROVIDER OF QUALITY HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES .. I THINK I would add any Texas Teams that I could ..


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Man this feels like a Poe's law response....

But adding for the sake of adding is not really beneficial.
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It’s pretty simple ..You want to tell the high school recruits MOTHER .. That she will see him on his games in Texas ... You want HIS NAME to be printed in the local newspaper .. You want your Conference Name to be included in the local newspaper .. You want to recruit more Texas kids because is the NUMBER ONE SOURCE FOR HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITS ...THE MW WILL NEVER BECOME A MAJOR CONFERENCE WITHOUT ZEROING IN ON TEXAS AND ITS TROVE OF HIGH SCHOOL TALENT


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Meh, the MWC gets the lion's share of their recruits from CA.
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(05-02-2018 09:28 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


Replace San jose State with Eastern Washington. Eastern Washington have won games including won games against PAC 12 teams. The fans do show up and they do travel just like NDSU. Eastern Washington's basketball have been on the rise. Eastern, Central and Western Washington schools have been on the rise in men's basketball. There seems to be a lot of talent going to Gonzaga and the three directional schools in the state. Getting Eastern Washington for recruiting for men's basketball might tell Gonzaga that they should have taken their offer, and use Eastern Washington t recruit players away from Gonzaga.


You have posted some whoppers before, but this is epic. EWU is in a small town with a stadium that seats 8k.. how they have competed well in the Big Sky is a complement to them as they have nowhere near the resources a lot of BSC have.


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(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

No argument here, sadly. With Kustra gone and Staben and Spear both (hopefully) leaving soon I'm hoping we can at least figure out how to play each other in basketball again. There's no substitute for good clean hate in college athletics.
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(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).

MWC has the same expansion problem Pac-12 has, there just isn't a reasonable pool inside the region.

With Wichita State and Gonzaga off the table the only thing that makes decent sense is NMSU non-football with an agreement to give them some home-home deals in football and that isn't a blockbuster.

This isn't the MWC that was on the ropes and scrambling after losing Utah, TCU, BYU, Boise State and San Diego State. No panic additions so that means any add has to be a clear win.
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(05-02-2018 10:00 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:53 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:16 PM)michael.stevens.3110 Wrote:  
(05-02-2018 09:07 PM)MAD MACGYVER Wrote:  The MWC should not move to expand unless it is with bonafide, consistently winning programs. Out west, that leaves....BYU and BYU only. Obviously, the MWC would take BYU back in all sports, but the Cougs aren't coming back for a while, if at all. Fine.

If anything, I think the MWC should drop San Jose St, as they are dead weight and do not add anything to the conference. That would even out the basketball side to 10 teams, but it would create a bit of a headache with 11 teams in football, but helping SoS in every way, even if it's incremental by dropping the Spartans, would be beneficial. Who to replace SJSU you ask? Nobody. When you cut out cancer what do you replace it with? There is not a good enough program to extend an invite to right now in the MW footprint. Also, I think expansion for TV markets is foolhardy as it has not benefited CUSA. They have some solid programs, but they don't earn any TV money despite their TV market location. The MWC is right to not go on that snipe hunt.

I like UTEP, I really do. They are in the MWC footprint, and they have a history with many MWC programs, however, they've had ONE winning season in the last decade, and that was just barely with a 7-6 mark in 2014. SJSU has been more successful over the last decade. So I think, as of now, UTEP would be a bad move. I don't see how UTSA, Texas St, Rice, or UNT make any sense right now.

NMSU is good in basketball, but their football program has one bowl game in 57 years. That does not move the needle. Their basketball is solid but if it means swapping SJSU for NMSU in football, I say no, and I think UNM would oppose any move to include NMSU.

Idaho is a no-go as their program is struggling. And, honestly, as a Boise State fan, I'd love for Idaho to actually be good enough to invite to the MWC. The rivalry games between Boise St and Idaho were vitriolic and bitter, which is good for attendance, and who doesn't love to hate their in-state rivals? But they are not even a NMSU/UTEP/SJSU equivalent at this point now that they're heading back to FCS. Even if they had stayed FBS Indy like NMSU, they likely would not improve their lot in any meaningful way to warrant an invite to the MWC.

Montanas and Dakotas don't have the population bases right now for the added expense of FBS football, but certainly as of this moment NDSU has been a consistent winner and undoubtedly could be competitive in any G5 conference, but their leadership seems rather content to be king of the FCS hill for now. Of course, that could change in 20 years if there is some sort of massive migration to the north or the oil money keeps rolling in on a consistent basis. But geographically, I think NDSU makes more sense in the MAC.

The biggest barrier for the MWC is geography and population, and to a lesser extent, not the same level of fan interest in football as in the eastern half of the US. So the MWC has to be really picky in their selection.

Sadly, I think that the MWC really did itself a disservice by not aggressively courting Wichita St, and Gonzaga in tandem. That would have really bolstered the conference in Basketball, and it may have put enough pressure on BYU to consider coming back (though I doubt it). If the MWC is to add anyone in basketball only, it should be for powerhouse programs like Gonzaga and Wichita St. But the AAC acted when it had the chance (good on your Commish for getting the AAC presidents on the same page and forward thinking. (I like Aresco a helluva lot better than Thompson).


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Man this feels like a Poe's law response....

But adding for the sake of adding is not really beneficial.
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It’s pretty simple ..You want to tell the high school recruits MOTHER .. That she will see him on his games in Texas ... You want HIS NAME to be printed in the local newspaper .. You want your Conference Name to be included in the local newspaper .. You want to recruit more Texas kids because is the NUMBER ONE SOURCE FOR HIGH SCHOOL RECRUITS ...THE MW WILL NEVER BECOME A MAJOR CONFERENCE WITHOUT ZEROING IN ON TEXAS AND ITS TROVE OF HIGH SCHOOL TALENT


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The MW actually did do that before...with your team. How did that work out again?? Methinks your team, TCU, bolted for the Big East/American, did an about face briefly before bolting for the Big XII. And the teams Mac looked at don’t really seem like much to write home about. Now Houston would be a different story, but I doubt that they would even sniff at the MW. SMU, who Mac didn’t mention, isn’t much to write home about either.
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I still do not see any reason why UTEP is a better fit than NMSU. Athletically, Acadmically NMSU is better. The only thing that I see is UTEP is in Texas.
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(05-03-2018 08:24 AM)RobtheAggie Wrote:  I still do not see any reason why UTEP is a better fit than NMSU. Athletically, Acadmically NMSU is better. The only thing that I see is UTEP is in Texas.


Agree with this, UTEP brings very little and Rice brings less than UTEP.


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