(05-07-2018 10:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Goodness gracious you guys are insane. You have zero problem with Benghazi being investigated to ad nauseum 5 different times but want to pull the plug on an investigation bearing fruit. Don’t worry. The truth shall be set free. Too many eyeballs on this one. “If you are truly innocent act like it.”- Trey Gowdy

Special Council does not equal Congressional Oversight

(05-07-2018 10:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You have zero problem with Benghazi being investigated to ad nauseum 5 different times

By Congress Mach, by Congress.... I would have had a very serious problem if the Justice department spent 2 years running down Benghazi, issuing indictments and then *not being ready for trial on those indictments*

Quote:but want to pull the plug on an investigation bearing fruit.

Nobody want's the plug pulled... He issue indictments, let's have a trial, ok?

Let's have the trial but he looks like a bafoon when he didn't have evidence ready or is trying a case with 10 year old evidence that doesn't pertain to the current issue.

The court transcript of this proceeding is out there on the interwebs. The entire conversation was interesting, but at one point the judge told the Mueller team that he wanted access to unredacted information, that he the judge had security clearance and was currently overseeing 3 separate espionage trials and he could get higher security clearance if needed, and that he wasnt going to take Muellers team at their word and wanted to ese the documents to satisfy himself.

Basically, the judge told the Mueller team they are liars, I dont believe you, and you WILL present the unredacted documents, such as the original scope document, to the court.

Also, the judge openly asked why the hell the manafort case was still under Mueller's review, when Meuller handed over Cohen to the NY DA. Muellers team didnt have a good answer for that. The judge said it sounds like Cohen cant help you guys out, but you think you can squeeze Manafort for info on Trump.

(05-07-2018 11:16 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 11:11 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Goodness gracious you guys are insane. You have zero problem with Benghazi being investigated to ad nauseum 5 different times but want to pull the plug on an investigation bearing fruit. Don’t worry. The truth shall be set free. Too many eyeballs on this one. “If you are truly innocent act like it.”- Trey Gowdy

Welll—people actually died in Benghazi. The Meuller investigation is only happening because the Dems got butt hurt. They actually thought those liberal CNN fake news pre-election polls were real.

Just because you say it does not make it so.

Mach.... I'm getting pretty tired of your tirades...

Here is what he said...

People died in Benghazi. This is a fact
The Meuller investigation is only happening because the Dems got butt hurt. The latter IS a fact, the former is part of it. The only debatable word is 'only'
They actually thought those liberal CNN fake news pre-election polls were real. The pre-election polls were WAY off, so this is mostly true as well.

So your only contention is with the word 'only'.

Just because YOU said so, doesn't make it true either... even when you post it 20 times like you do

(05-07-2018 06:47 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote:  

(05-06-2018 06:28 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhh my God. You guys are actually celebrating a Russian Troll farm operation to see what Mueller has. If you had no crimes to worry about why go through such lengths? Team over country. Traitors

When did you co-opt the whole "team over country" meme? Right after you read it from one of us? I do wish you guys would get your own statements, it's not a good look to be stealing ours.

The left can't meme.

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Right, the article expressly says that the 3 companies indicated were widely expected to simply ignore the proceedings, that mueller attempted to deliver the summons through the Russian government (knowing it would never be delivered), but mueller credibly just "needs more time".

Do you hear yourself? Feel free to bump when it is dismissed.

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Thats the way I read it as well. That said, there are now not 1---not 2, but now 3 separate judges blasting the Mueller probe in court. Thats not a sign of a solid ethical investigation and its another indication of the wisdom of the founding fathers decision to split power between 3 co-equal branches of the government. My feeling is that the Mueller has badly over reached, over charged, and is simply overcome with the desire to "get" the president---despite that not being his charge. Muellers charge isnt even to investigate a crime. His charge is to find out how the Russian's affected our election. His charge is not "find a way to charge Trump with collusion---and if that fails--try to find something else to charge him with". Unfortunately, Mueller has taken up the later mission and largely ignored the purpose for which he was originally appointed by a bipartison action of the legislature.

(05-07-2018 02:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Right, the article expressly says that the 3 companies indicated were widely expected to simply ignore the proceedings, that mueller attempted to deliver the summons through the Russian government (knowing it would never be delivered), but mueller credibly just "needs more time".

Do you hear yourself? Feel free to bump when it is dismissed.

So you don't note the crimes and/or issue the indictments if you don't think the parties will honor them...even when Mueller clearly knew that charging Russian companies would likely not result in them actually facing justice here in the US. Do you hear YOURself?

No, you still issue the indictments because of what they did. Then you have it on record of how they interfered.

So, the indictment is anything but fake.

(05-07-2018 03:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 02:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 10:28 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  So, how is the indictment "fake" again?

Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Right, the article expressly says that the 3 companies indicated were widely expected to simply ignore the proceedings, that mueller attempted to deliver the summons through the Russian government (knowing it would never be delivered), but mueller credibly just "needs more time".

Do you hear yourself? Feel free to bump when it is dismissed.

So you don't note the crimes and/or issue the indictments if you don't think the parties will honor them...even when Mueller clearly knew that charging Russian companies would likely not result in them actually facing justice here in the US. Do you hear YOURself?

No, you still issue the indictments because of what they did. Then you have it on record of how they interfered.

So, the indictment is anything but fake.

The companies exist. The existence of indictments is a fact. The charges in the indictments, however, represent nothing more than allegations until they are actually proven in court. Interestingly, by their own admission, the Mueller team cannot prove them in court at this time (otherwise, you dont ask for more time).

(05-07-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 02:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Right, the article expressly says that the 3 companies indicated were widely expected to simply ignore the proceedings, that mueller attempted to deliver the summons through the Russian government (knowing it would never be delivered), but mueller credibly just "needs more time".

Do you hear yourself? Feel free to bump when it is dismissed.

So you don't note the crimes and/or issue the indictments if you don't think the parties will honor them...even when Mueller clearly knew that charging Russian companies would likely not result in them actually facing justice here in the US. Do you hear YOURself?

No, you still issue the indictments because of what they did. Then you have it on record of how they interfered.

So, the indictment is anything but fake.

The companies exist. The existence of indictments is a fact. The charges in the indictments, however, represent nothing more than allegations until they are actually proven in court. Interestingly, by their own admission, the Mueller team cannot prove them in court at this time (otherwise, you dont ask for more time).

Boom. Fake. Scam. Just like everything else the alt-left involves themselves in.

(05-07-2018 10:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Goodness gracious you guys are insane. You have zero problem with Benghazi being investigated to ad nauseum 5 different times but want to pull the plug on an investigation bearing fruit. Don’t worry. The truth shall be set free. Too many eyeballs on this one. “If you are truly innocent act like it.”- Trey Gowdy

Wait a second I thought you did not believe anything that came out of congress? So now you are back to believing? Or is it just Benghazi you believe they are correct?


Which is it? Seems to me you sir are a FLIP...FLOP

(05-07-2018 10:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Goodness gracious you guys are insane. You have zero problem with Benghazi being investigated to ad nauseum 5 different times but want to pull the plug on an investigation bearing fruit. Don’t worry. The truth shall be set free. Too many eyeballs on this one. “If you are truly innocent act like it.”- Trey Gowdy

ad nausuem? Really?

You mean, the 5 investigations where Hillary was never interviewed, and weer they never asked for Hillarys emails during the Benghazi debacle? (Because if they did, they would have found out that the state department didnt have them, and if they inquired why, they would have discovered it was bevcause she used an illegal home brew server and transmitted/received classified info on it. )

but yea, ad nauseum.

(05-07-2018 09:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 07:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those Benghazi show trials got how many indictments btw????

None of them were conducted by anyone with the power to charge or indict.

Quote:Mueller has quite a few pelts and more on the way....

All for process crimes unrelated to the matters he was supposed to be investigating.

Let's see, I thought the narrative was supposed to be that "the Russians" hacked the DNC computers and that a major purpose was to figure out ow to prevent such attacks in the future. Seems to me that if you were investigating that, then you would start with the DNC computers instead of with Manafort's failure to register as a foreign agent ten years ago.

Quote:Quit being putin’s chamber maid and get on the right side of history. Any attack against Meueller is an attack on America itself.

Mueller may very well be the one conducting the attack on America itself. He certainly appears willing to bend the rules a bit to get what he wants, and that is both troubling and inherently un-American. You don't get the criticisms his team got from judges on Friday if you're playing by the rules.

was predicted by many at the outset.....

what a fk'n pile of dung this has become.....

the entire premise of how our legal system should function is upside fk'n down.....

a country of laws????? whose laws????

what a selective joke.....

This means the people operating our government have completely disregarded the rules documented by our Constitution and are effectively acting outside the law themselves.

Our government is not at fault. It's the people in the government.

And this is exactly why our Founders gave us the Bill of Rights.

Quote:The First 10 Amendments to the
Constitution as Ratified by the States
December 15, 1791
Preamble
Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

(05-07-2018 05:31 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 09:40 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 08:55 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 07:18 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Those Benghazi show trials got how many indictments btw????

None of them were conducted by anyone with the power to charge or indict.

Quote:Mueller has quite a few pelts and more on the way....

All for process crimes unrelated to the matters he was supposed to be investigating.

Let's see, I thought the narrative was supposed to be that "the Russians" hacked the DNC computers and that a major purpose was to figure out ow to prevent such attacks in the future. Seems to me that if you were investigating that, then you would start with the DNC computers instead of with Manafort's failure to register as a foreign agent ten years ago.

Quote:Quit being putin’s chamber maid and get on the right side of history. Any attack against Meueller is an attack on America itself.

Mueller may very well be the one conducting the attack on America itself. He certainly appears willing to bend the rules a bit to get what he wants, and that is both troubling and inherently un-American. You don't get the criticisms his team got from judges on Friday if you're playing by the rules.

was predicted by many at the outset.....

what a fk'n pile of dung this has become.....

the entire premise of how our legal system should function is upside fk'n down.....

a country of laws????? whose laws????

what a selective joke.....

This means the people operating our government have completely disregarded the rules documented by our Constitution and are effectively acting outside the law themselves.

Our government is not at fault. It's the people in the government.

And this is exactly why our Founders gave us the Bill of Rights.

Quote:The First 10 Amendments to the
Constitution as Ratified by the States
December 15, 1791
Preamble
Congress OF THE United States
begun and held at the City of New York, on Wednesday
the Fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution

RESOLVED by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following Articles be proposed to the Legislatures of the several States, as Amendments to the Constitution of the United States, all or any of which Articles, when ratified by three fourths of the said Legislatures, to be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of the said Constitution; viz.:

ARTICLES in addition to, and Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America, proposed by Congress, and ratified by the Legislatures of the several States, pursuant to the fifth Article of the original Constitution.

XACLY!

it is all about how the system is being manipulated to achieve results based on a biased/flawed agenda....

this is a very dangerous game they are currently playing and why judge after judge is now starting to pound the gavel of reason....

not trying to pat myself on the back, but I used 'witch hunt' long before it became the latest buzz phrase....it was transparently obvious from my POV....

hell, if hill-lair-liar wins. there wouldn't have been a thought given to ANY investigation.....

IT IS THE PEOPLE left over from 8 years of ZERO's reign of slime.....

I'm not saying the Troll Farm is fake but when indicted 3 months ago I would've figured open and shut. Not requesting evidence and a delay being requested because it's not ready. That doesn't seem right. The date was set and no issues were brought up until Friday.

The conspiracy theorist in me says this was a stunt in Feb to take pressure off the FBI's failure at Parkland.

The American in me wants to see this prosecuted if they interfered with our election. Not put ads on Facebook.

(05-07-2018 04:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 03:17 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 02:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 01:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 12:27 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Read the article or if that is a little too intellectually rigorous, just watch the video.

Read the whole article. Nothing indicated in any way that the indictment is fake. And it credibly explains why Mueller would be asking for more time.

But no, I'm not watching some video that's most likely from one of your less than dubious sources.

Right, the article expressly says that the 3 companies indicated were widely expected to simply ignore the proceedings, that mueller attempted to deliver the summons through the Russian government (knowing it would never be delivered), but mueller credibly just "needs more time".

Do you hear yourself? Feel free to bump when it is dismissed.

So you don't note the crimes and/or issue the indictments if you don't think the parties will honor them...even when Mueller clearly knew that charging Russian companies would likely not result in them actually facing justice here in the US. Do you hear YOURself?

No, you still issue the indictments because of what they did. Then you have it on record of how they interfered.

So, the indictment is anything but fake.

The companies exist. The existence of indictments is a fact. The charges in the indictments, however, represent nothing more than allegations until they are actually proven in court. Interestingly, by their own admission, the Mueller team cannot prove them in court at this time (otherwise, you don't ask for more time).

I don't think it's quite that simple.

From the Politico link in the OP:

Quote:On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week.

The prosecution team sought the delay on the grounds that it’s unclear whether Concord Management formally accepted the court summons related to the case. Mueller’s prosecutors also revealed that they tried to deliver the summonses for Concord and IRA through the Russian government, without success.

“The [U.S.] government has attempted service of the summonses by delivering copies of them to the Office of the Prosecutor General of Russia, to be delivered to the defendants,” prosecutors wrote. “That office, however, declined to accept the summonses. The government has submitted service requests to the Russian government pursuant to a mutual legal assistance treaty. To the government’s knowledge, no further steps have been taken within Russia to effectuate service.”

Mueller’s team sent a copy of the formal summons to Dubelier and Seikaly and asked them to accept it on behalf of Concord Management, but Dubelier wrote back on Monday saying that the government’s attempt to serve the summons was defective under court rules. He did not elaborate.

In their request on Friday to put off the arraignment, prosecutors included the extensive demands for information that the lawyers for Concord Management have set forth since they stepped forward last month.

“Until the Court has an opportunity to determine if Concord was properly served, it would be inadvisable to conduct an initial appearance and arraignment at which important rights will be communicated and a plea entertained,” attorneys Jeannie Rhee, Rush Atkinson and Ryan Dickey wrote. “That is especially true in the context of this case, which involves a foreign corporate defendant, controlled by another, individual foreign defendant, that has already demanded production of sensitive intelligence gathering, national security, and foreign affairs information.”

(05-08-2018 07:47 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I'm not saying the Troll Farm is fake but when indicted 3 months ago I would've figured open and shut. Not requesting evidence and a delay being requested because it's not ready. That doesn't seem right. The date was set and no issues were brought up until Friday.

The conspiracy theorist in me says this was a stunt in Feb to take pressure off the FBI's failure at Parkland.

The American in me wants to see this prosecuted if they interfered with our election. Not put ads on Facebook.

Put aside the use of the word fake. Based on all evidence to date, it looks like Bueller indicted those companies as purely a window dressing for his larger investigation, never belieiving that they would actually contest the charges.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/r...-manafort/

He was caught with his pants down. Not a pretty sight, but funny as hell.