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(05-10-2018 11:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 10:35 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What about the CFP? Well for that, we actually do know, because the AP and coaches conduct their votes after the CFP champ is crowned. This year, the CFP winner received 119 of 123 combined writers and coaches first place votes. That's 96.9%. In all the other three years of the CFP, the CFP winner has gotten 100% of the coach and AP votes. [/u]

So not quite as legitimate as the SB winner is regarded as, but pretty darn close, and high enough to say the CFP champ has overwhelming legitimacy as champ in the eyes of the college football community.

Well, they're GOING to receive a lot of votes because that's how they got into the "championship" in the first place. The votes afterward are done by the same people that voted for them to get into the "championship". I don't think that says a whole lot. Nobody voted to get the Eagles into the Superbowl.

The AP and coaches poll voters are not the people who voted the four CFP teams into the playoffs. That was done by the CFP committee.

The AP and Coaches voters are completely independent of the CFP, they aren't obligated to vote for the CFP champion in their polls. That's different from the BCS era, where the Coach voters were contractually obligated to vote for the winner of the BCS title game. Not so with the CFP winner.


Right, and the BCS era demonstrated that AP voters wouldn't vote for the BCS title game winner if they thought another team deserved to be voted #1. AP voters after the 2003 season voted USC #1 by 48 first-place votes to 17, even though LSU beat OU in the BCS title game. Poll voters today would do the same if they believed a team other than the CFP winner deserved to be voted #1.
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RE: 118 days down, 118 days to go ...
(05-10-2018 02:07 PM)Wedge Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 11:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 10:35 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  
(05-08-2018 05:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  What about the CFP? Well for that, we actually do know, because the AP and coaches conduct their votes after the CFP champ is crowned. This year, the CFP winner received 119 of 123 combined writers and coaches first place votes. That's 96.9%. In all the other three years of the CFP, the CFP winner has gotten 100% of the coach and AP votes. [/u]

So not quite as legitimate as the SB winner is regarded as, but pretty darn close, and high enough to say the CFP champ has overwhelming legitimacy as champ in the eyes of the college football community.

Well, they're GOING to receive a lot of votes because that's how they got into the "championship" in the first place. The votes afterward are done by the same people that voted for them to get into the "championship". I don't think that says a whole lot. Nobody voted to get the Eagles into the Superbowl.

The AP and coaches poll voters are not the people who voted the four CFP teams into the playoffs. That was done by the CFP committee.

The AP and Coaches voters are completely independent of the CFP, they aren't obligated to vote for the CFP champion in their polls. That's different from the BCS era, where the Coach voters were contractually obligated to vote for the winner of the BCS title game. Not so with the CFP winner.


Right, and the BCS era demonstrated that AP voters wouldn't vote for the BCS title game winner if they thought another team deserved to be voted #1. AP voters after the 2003 season voted USC #1 by 48 first-place votes to 17, even though LSU beat OU in the BCS title game. Poll voters today would do the same if they believed a team other than the CFP winner deserved to be voted #1.

That's an excellent point, as some here have posited a "groupthink" theory that somehow because the CFP committee says a team is #1 then the AP and Coach voters are like lemmings who just follow along.

There's really no reason to think that is true. Heck, I know if I had a coach or AP vote, it wouldn't matter to me what the CFP committee said, I'd have my own view. 07-coffee3
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