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RE: Navy and CBSSN extend TV deal to 2027 ...
Looks like Navy traded one home game per season and the Navy-Notre Dame game (every other season) to the AAC for the rights to their other home games:

Not having all Navy home games as part of its package will hurt the American Athletic Conference to some degree as it enters into negotiations with ESPN and any other interested networks for its next broadcast agreement.

However, that concern was mitigated tremendously by two concessions Navy made to help out the conference. First and foremost, Navy’s home game with Notre Dame that is held in even years will become part of the American Athletic Conference television package beginning in 2020.

“Getting the Navy-Notre Dame game every other year is extremely valuable,” Aresco said. “That is really, really important.”

Gladchuk believes giving up the home game with Notre Dame, which was previously part of the CBS Sports contract, signified a major commitment to the American Athletic Conference on the part of the Naval Academy Athletic Association.

“Bring that to the table is a big deal. That may be one of the most significant games in the entire conference,” Gladchuk said. “There was some give-and-take by all sides and it should work out to everyone’s benefits on all fronts.”

Additionally, the primary rights-holder for American Athletic Conference football will have first choice of broadcasting one Navy home game per year. That means not all Navy home games will be televised by CBS Sports.

http://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/nav...y,amp.html
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(05-09-2018 08:43 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Looks like Navy traded one home game per season and the Navy-Notre Dame game (every other season) to the AAC for the rights to their other home games:

Not having all Navy home games as part of its package will hurt the American Athletic Conference to some degree as it enters into negotiations with ESPN and any other interested networks for its next broadcast agreement.

However, that concern was mitigated tremendously by two concessions Navy made to help out the conference. First and foremost, Navy’s home game with Notre Dame that is held in even years will become part of the American Athletic Conference television package beginning in 2020.

“Getting the Navy-Notre Dame game every other year is extremely valuable,” Aresco said. “That is really, really important.”

Gladchuk believes giving up the home game with Notre Dame, which was previously part of the CBS Sports contract, signified a major commitment to the American Athletic Conference on the part of the Naval Academy Athletic Association.

“Bring that to the table is a big deal. That may be one of the most significant games in the entire conference,” Gladchuk said. “There was some give-and-take by all sides and it should work out to everyone’s benefits on all fronts.”

Additionally, the primary rights-holder for American Athletic Conference football will have first choice of broadcasting one Navy home game per year. That means not all Navy home games will be televised by CBS Sports.

http://www.capitalgazette.com/sports/nav...y,amp.html

That’s actually a pretty reasonable deal for all parties involved.
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I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.
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(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

I tend to think that that extra Navy vs Notre Dame game along with a chance to air more decently rated games around them may incentive NBC to offer a decent contract for our tier 1 package
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so in a year like 2020, when Navy plays Notre Dame at East Rutherford, NJ- Navy has all of 5 home games. 1 is vs Lafayette. Then 4 conference games. Like this year- that would mean that CBSSN would be left with Navy games with Lafayette, UConn, Tulsa, and then either Memphis or Houston. Now, in 2019- CBSSN would get Holy Cross, Air Force(either CBSSN or CBS), and then 3 of ECU, USF, SMU, Tulane.
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(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.
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(05-10-2018 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.

Everyone presumes that to maximize money, the next AAC deal will have multiple tiers, probably with multiple partners - a first tier, a second tier, some streaming rights.

Just think of this as the Navy tier.

Aresco and Gladchuk extracted max value for a teeny portion of the AAC inventory, because the value of these games to CBSSN was greater than their marginal value add within the whole AAC package. Also maintained some great properties for future first tier partner (ND-Navy, one NMCMS game).

Win for the conference.
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Those other Navy games likely end up on CBSSN through sublicensing anyway, so this is a big win for the AAC.
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With this new information, I'm very happy with these results. Excellent work by Aresco, and a great reminder of why we pay for an expert in contract negotiation and media rights to helm this conference. If he continues to perform at this level, I fully expect the AAC to be at the upper end of that $6-$10MM per year per team range.
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(05-10-2018 07:43 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.

Everyone presumes that to maximize money, the next AAC deal will have multiple tiers, probably with multiple partners - a first tier, a second tier, some streaming rights.

Just think of this as the Navy tier.

Aresco and Gladchuk extracted max value for a teeny portion of the AAC inventory, because the value of these games to CBSSN was greater than their marginal value add within the whole AAC package. Also maintained some great properties for future first tier partner (ND-Navy, one NMCMS game).

Win for the conference.

You're doing an "Admiral" - able job of trying to spin this as Navy really being a good conference team player rather than demanding special concessions. But it can't work, and here's why:

1) The biggest game in Navy's inventory, the Army game, remains totally separate from the AAC deal, it is completely owned by Navy.

2) The Navy AD was quoted as saying he wanted to preserve Navy's traditional Saturday afternoon playing times, and this deal does that.

Well isn't that grand? I think we'd all like to play at particular attractive times, but clearly, Navy is being accommodated and the rest of us aren't.

3) Even setting Notre Dame and Army aside, Navy is clearly one of the top brand names in the AAC, probably the biggest brand name. It's the only AAC school with a national following. So the other Navy games are indeed valuable conference inventory, and Navy having their own deal will thus hurt our negotiations for the rest of the conference package.

The fact that the Notre Dame games and a single other home game will remain with the conference package makes that damage less than it would be, but damage is still done.

4) You keep calling the Navy inventory a "teeny" portion of the AAC inventory, but that's a red herring, as it would apply equally to any other particular team.

E.g., if USF somehow signed its own special deal, I could say "well not a big deal because USF is just 7% (or whatever) of AAC inventory!"

But it makes no sense for other AAC schools to ignore Navy's special treatment on the grounds that it is only a teeny part of the inventory, because that presumes that other teams are NOT getting similar special treatment. The only way the "special treatment" (Navy) component can remain mathematically small is if other schools get treated differently from Navy.

That's the very definition of 'special' treatment: You get things that others do not.

Aresco and Navy apologists are trying to spin this as somehow a "fair deal" for everyone all around, but the facts are it is a special deal for Navy, and that comes on the already special treatment Navy gets for its Army games.

Navy has clearly thrown its weight around to keep significant special concessions. I don't blame you one but for doing it, but it's disingenuous to try and pooh-pooh and minimize doing it.

You did it, so own it. 07-coffee3
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(05-10-2018 09:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 07:43 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.

Everyone presumes that to maximize money, the next AAC deal will have multiple tiers, probably with multiple partners - a first tier, a second tier, some streaming rights.

Just think of this as the Navy tier.

Aresco and Gladchuk extracted max value for a teeny portion of the AAC inventory, because the value of these games to CBSSN was greater than their marginal value add within the whole AAC package. Also maintained some great properties for future first tier partner (ND-Navy, one NMCMS game).

Win for the conference.

You're doing an "Admiral" - able job of trying to spin this as Navy really being a good conference team player rather than demanding special concessions. But it can't work, and here's why:

1) The biggest game in Navy's inventory, the Army game, remains totally separate from the AAC deal, it is completely owned by Navy.

2) The Navy AD was quoted as saying he wanted to preserve Navy's traditional Saturday afternoon playing times, and this deal does that.

Well isn't that grand? I think we'd all like to play at particular attractive times, but clearly, Navy is being accommodated and the rest of us aren't.

3) Even setting Notre Dame and Army aside, Navy is clearly one of the top brand names in the AAC, probably the biggest brand name. It's the only AAC school with a national following. So the other Navy games are indeed valuable conference inventory, and Navy having their own deal will thus hurt our negotiations for the rest of the conference package.

The fact that the Notre Dame games and a single other home game will remain with the conference package makes that damage less than it would be, but damage is still done.

4) You keep calling the Navy inventory a "teeny" portion of the AAC inventory, but that's a red herring, as it would apply equally to any other particular team.

E.g., if USF somehow signed its own special deal, I could say "well not a big deal because USF is just 7% (or whatever) of AAC inventory!"

But it makes no sense for other AAC schools to ignore Navy's special treatment on the grounds that it is only a teeny part of the inventory, because that presumes that other teams are NOT getting similar special treatment. The only way the "special treatment" (Navy) component can remain mathematically small is if other schools get treated differently from Navy.

That's the very definition of 'special' treatment: You get things that others do not.

Aresco and Navy apologists are trying to spin this as somehow a "fair deal" for everyone all around, but the facts are it is a special deal for Navy, and that comes on the already special treatment Navy gets for its Army games.

Navy has clearly thrown its weight around to keep significant special concessions. I don't blame you one but for doing it, but it's disingenuous to try and pooh-pooh and minimize doing it.

You did it, so own it. 07-coffee3

Well, no question this is a sweetheart deal for Navy. But, it seems the consensus on here is that everyone is fine with it. If (your example) USF for instance, got a “Boise Sweetheart deal” or a “Gonzaga sweetheart deal” people on here would hate it. But Navy is basically considered untouchable when it comes to criticism. It’s not fair probably, but I understand why the posters are very hesitant to criticize it.
I respect the reasons why...
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It's a sweetheart deal for both Navy and the American.

Navy offered the most valuable game rights to the AAC for the upcoming negotiations, of which Navy is a part of, in exchange for Navy having freedom of their other home games scheduling and media negotiations. It seems like it was all done up front and in good faith, I'm personally quite happy with it as it allows both Navy and the American to utilize properties that allow both to benefit off of each other. Call it Special treatment if you want, but the treatment was reciprocal.
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(05-10-2018 10:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  It's a sweetheart deal for both Navy and the American.

Navy offered the most valuable game rights to the AAC for the upcoming negotiations, of which Navy is a part of, in exchange for Navy having freedom of their other home games scheduling and media negotiations. It seems like it was all done up front and in good faith, I'm personally quite happy with it as it allows both Navy and the American to utilize properties that allow both to benefit off of each other. Call it Special treatment if you want, but the treatment was reciprocal.

I have no problem with it either and am very happy about the ND game being part of the package as well as maybe getting the Navy Air Force game as part of the 1 game a year.
That said, no one on here would have said the MWC and Boise sweetheart deal was reciprocal. It was and is considered a loss for the other MWC schools. The Gonzaga WCC deal is certainly spun as a loss for the WCC and a win for Gonzaga.—But that deal is horrifically one sided for Gonzaga and is a huge loss for the other WCC teams. I suppose that’s not an apples to apples comparison though....
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(05-10-2018 09:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 07:43 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.

Everyone presumes that to maximize money, the next AAC deal will have multiple tiers, probably with multiple partners - a first tier, a second tier, some streaming rights.

Just think of this as the Navy tier.

Aresco and Gladchuk extracted max value for a teeny portion of the AAC inventory, because the value of these games to CBSSN was greater than their marginal value add within the whole AAC package. Also maintained some great properties for future first tier partner (ND-Navy, one NMCMS game).

Win for the conference.

You're doing an "Admiral" - able job of trying to spin this as Navy really being a good conference team player rather than demanding special concessions. But it can't work, and here's why:

1) The biggest game in Navy's inventory, the Army game, remains totally separate from the AAC deal, it is completely owned by Navy.

2) The Navy AD was quoted as saying he wanted to preserve Navy's traditional Saturday afternoon playing times, and this deal does that.

Well isn't that grand? I think we'd all like to play at particular attractive times, but clearly, Navy is being accommodated and the rest of us aren't.

3) Even setting Notre Dame and Army aside, Navy is clearly one of the top brand names in the AAC, probably the biggest brand name. It's the only AAC school with a national following. So the other Navy games are indeed valuable conference inventory, and Navy having their own deal will thus hurt our negotiations for the rest of the conference package.

The fact that the Notre Dame games and a single other home game will remain with the conference package makes that damage less than it would be, but damage is still done.

4) You keep calling the Navy inventory a "teeny" portion of the AAC inventory, but that's a red herring, as it would apply equally to any other particular team.

E.g., if USF somehow signed its own special deal, I could say "well not a big deal because USF is just 7% (or whatever) of AAC inventory!"

But it makes no sense for other AAC schools to ignore Navy's special treatment on the grounds that it is only a teeny part of the inventory, because that presumes that other teams are NOT getting similar special treatment. The only way the "special treatment" (Navy) component can remain mathematically small is if other schools get treated differently from Navy.

That's the very definition of 'special' treatment: You get things that others do not.

Aresco and Navy apologists are trying to spin this as somehow a "fair deal" for everyone all around, but the facts are it is a special deal for Navy, and that comes on the already special treatment Navy gets for its Army games.

Navy has clearly thrown its weight around to keep significant special concessions. I don't blame you one but for doing it, but it's disingenuous to try and pooh-pooh and minimize doing it.

You did it, so own it. 07-coffee3

I will own it -- I am happy that the conference - the CONFERENCE - made a deal with a sports channel which is a traditional partner of Navy.
I will own putting money in USF's pocket (and all the other schools).

Army-Navy game is a red herring. It isn't a Navy home game. It was never going to be in the AAC package. But it is a standalone three hour showcase, with the AAC logo on the sweetest special uniforms in the land in front of eight million viewers with network announcers talking about how tough the American is and how good the AAC competition that Navy faces is. It benefits the conference (just not directly monetarily).

As far as keeping Saturdays, note what the Navy AD said about that: “This was all part of the discussions we had with the AAC before we joined,” Gladchuk said. Big East was after Navy for YEARS, and in order to get us on board, the conditions of our joining included a commitment from the conference to keep our home games off of Thursday-Friday nights. You might not have noticed, but we haven't had any home games Thanksgiving weekend either. Is that special treatment? Okay, it is. But the bottom line is it is part of the deal. You can go negative on it, but it does benefit the conference - it keeps us from killing the goose that lays the golden egg. You said yourself we're the top brand in the conference - we are also more susceptible to brand de-valuation on a Thursday than anyone else. Attendance drop would probably be 50% or more, you lose the TV producers' Easy Button with no march-on, flyover, etc. Pragmatic considerations on the Navy side - believe it or not, there is a tenuous relationship with the neighborhoods and Naptown local government. We had the foresight to push for it in 2011, and the conference signed up for it.

The value CBSSN assigned to those games is almost certainly greater than the valuethey would add to the comprehensive package. Maximize that value, still a net increase to the value of the comprehensive package with ND-Navy and one NMCMS game. Honestly, if you want to sell Navy games, the primary rights winner will have MORE Navy games than CBSSN.
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(05-10-2018 10:27 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  It's a sweetheart deal for both Navy and the American.

Navy offered the most valuable game rights to the AAC for the upcoming negotiations, of which Navy is a part of, in exchange for Navy having freedom of their other home games scheduling and media negotiations. It seems like it was all done up front and in good faith, I'm personally quite happy with it as it allows both Navy and the American to utilize properties that allow both to benefit off of each other. Call it Special treatment if you want, but the treatment was reciprocal.

This IMO is a funny definition of 'reciprocal'. I mean, i guess if you kick me in the nuts and take my lunch money, and I agree that it is OK that you did that, then one could say that was reciprocal, because "he kicked me in the nuts and took my lunch money, and I agreed it was OK he could do that". Everyone's a winner!

Seriously, I don't see how anyone can call this "reciprocal". Navy definitely did get things that other members of the AAC do not get. To be reciprocal, that would mean that Navy is also giving up things to the conference that other members do not have to give up.

But what did Navy give up that other AAC schools don't give up? Nothing. All other AAC schools are required to give the AAC all of their home games, whether those games be against other conference schools or OOC, and whether the OOC games are against Troy or against a Notre Dame or Alabama. That's what it means to be a member of the conference.

So Navy "offering" the Notre Dame home games to the AAC was no kind of "offer" at all, rather it was just doing what every other conference member is already required to do.

Navy offered nothing more than what all other AAC schools are required to do, but it is getting special benefits - the Army games, the other home games on its own separate TV deal, and special scheduling considerations - that other AAC schools are not getting.

That's not reciprocal, that's one-sided. 07-coffee3
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(05-10-2018 11:09 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 09:58 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 07:43 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 01:36 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  
(05-09-2018 10:53 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  I do like that the AAC will get the Navy vs ND games every other year starting in 2020. The AAC will Probably resign with ESPN; no open market negotiations.

Ive always thought that ESPN would be part our next deal. I still think ESPN will end up with about 20-25 football games on ABC/ESPN/ESPN2/ESPNU. I think NBC will buy a similar package. The rest will probably end up on CBS-Sports or ESPN-Plus. Thats the only way I see us getting the 70-100 million needed to get to 6-8 million a team. I do not see a repeat of giving ESPN everything and allowing them to resell it.

Everyone presumes that to maximize money, the next AAC deal will have multiple tiers, probably with multiple partners - a first tier, a second tier, some streaming rights.

Just think of this as the Navy tier.

Aresco and Gladchuk extracted max value for a teeny portion of the AAC inventory, because the value of these games to CBSSN was greater than their marginal value add within the whole AAC package. Also maintained some great properties for future first tier partner (ND-Navy, one NMCMS game).

Win for the conference.

You're doing an "Admiral" - able job of trying to spin this as Navy really being a good conference team player rather than demanding special concessions. But it can't work, and here's why:

1) The biggest game in Navy's inventory, the Army game, remains totally separate from the AAC deal, it is completely owned by Navy.

2) The Navy AD was quoted as saying he wanted to preserve Navy's traditional Saturday afternoon playing times, and this deal does that.

Well isn't that grand? I think we'd all like to play at particular attractive times, but clearly, Navy is being accommodated and the rest of us aren't.

3) Even setting Notre Dame and Army aside, Navy is clearly one of the top brand names in the AAC, probably the biggest brand name. It's the only AAC school with a national following. So the other Navy games are indeed valuable conference inventory, and Navy having their own deal will thus hurt our negotiations for the rest of the conference package.

The fact that the Notre Dame games and a single other home game will remain with the conference package makes that damage less than it would be, but damage is still done.

4) You keep calling the Navy inventory a "teeny" portion of the AAC inventory, but that's a red herring, as it would apply equally to any other particular team.

E.g., if USF somehow signed its own special deal, I could say "well not a big deal because USF is just 7% (or whatever) of AAC inventory!"

But it makes no sense for other AAC schools to ignore Navy's special treatment on the grounds that it is only a teeny part of the inventory, because that presumes that other teams are NOT getting similar special treatment. The only way the "special treatment" (Navy) component can remain mathematically small is if other schools get treated differently from Navy.

That's the very definition of 'special' treatment: You get things that others do not.

Aresco and Navy apologists are trying to spin this as somehow a "fair deal" for everyone all around, but the facts are it is a special deal for Navy, and that comes on the already special treatment Navy gets for its Army games.

Navy has clearly thrown its weight around to keep significant special concessions. I don't blame you one but for doing it, but it's disingenuous to try and pooh-pooh and minimize doing it.

You did it, so own it. 07-coffee3

I will own it -- I am happy that the conference - the CONFERENCE - made a deal with a sports channel which is a traditional partner of Navy.
I will own putting money in USF's pocket (and all the other schools).

Army-Navy game is a red herring. It isn't a Navy home game. It was never going to be in the AAC package. But it is a standalone three hour showcase, with the AAC logo on the sweetest special uniforms in the land in front of eight million viewers with network announcers talking about how tough the American is and how good the AAC competition that Navy faces is. It benefits the conference (just not directly monetarily).

As far as keeping Saturdays, note what the Navy AD said about that: “This was all part of the discussions we had with the AAC before we joined,” Gladchuk said. Big East was after Navy for YEARS, and in order to get us on board, the conditions of our joining included a commitment from the conference to keep our home games off of Thursday-Friday nights. You might not have noticed, but we haven't had any home games Thanksgiving weekend either. Is that special treatment? Okay, it is. But the bottom line is it is part of the deal. You can go negative on it, but it does benefit the conference - it keeps us from killing the goose that lays the golden egg. You said yourself we're the top brand in the conference - we are also more susceptible to brand de-valuation on a Thursday than anyone else. Attendance drop would probably be 50% or more, you lose the TV producers' Easy Button with no march-on, flyover, etc. Pragmatic considerations on the Navy side - believe it or not, there is a tenuous relationship with the neighborhoods and Naptown local government. We had the foresight to push for it in 2011, and the conference signed up for it.

The value CBSSN assigned to those games is almost certainly greater than the valuethey would add to the comprehensive package. Maximize that value, still a net increase to the value of the comprehensive package with ND-Navy and one NMCMS game. Honestly, if you want to sell Navy games, the primary rights winner will have MORE Navy games than CBSSN.

I guess your capitalization of CONFERENCE is supposed to emphasize that the AAC, the conference, agreed to Navy getting a special deal?

I'm scratching my head as to what that is supposed to signify? E.g., if I am a player on a team and I go to the coach and demand special treatment and the coach agrees to it, are the other players supposed to feel good about me getting special treatment because the coach agreed to it?

Stop spinning - you threw your weight around and got a special deal, a one-sided deal that is a better deal for you than what the rest of us get.

Again, good for you, you had leverage and you used it. I'd do the same. But stop pretending that you didn't, that special treatment for you is really best for the rest of us, and that the rest of us should feel good about it. That's insult to injury. 07-coffee3
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I'm totally fine with Mike Aresco's ongoing negotiations, in fact I am happy he finally has a good hand he can bring to the negotiations table.
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So, Navy, part of the AAC football conference, negotiates their own deal. We think this is great for the AAC too because a portion of the games are theirs?

Actually, ALL of Navy football is Navy. Some of Navy football is AAC. Can the same be said about the others in the AAC?

It doesn't look good. Whether Navy is in it for the long haul with the AAC or gone this time next year, doing something apart from the AAC while an affiliate AAC member doesn't scream commitment. I never thought Navy was a long-term bet...this validates that suspicion only more.
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(05-10-2018 07:15 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  So, Navy, part of the AAC football conference, negotiates their own deal. We think this is great for the AAC too because a portion of the games are theirs?

Actually, ALL of Navy football is Navy. Some of Navy football is AAC. Can the same be said about the others in the AAC?

It doesn't look good. Whether Navy is in it for the long haul with the AAC or gone this time next year, doing something apart from the AAC while an affiliate AAC member doesn't scream commitment. I never thought Navy was a long-term bet...this validates that suspicion only more.

Somehow it's been spun as a win for the AAC. It's a win for Navy, and good for them as I'm a veteran of the Armed Services myself. but a win for the AAC? Mike Aresco is a very popular man on here.
P.S. If Air Force had a deal like this with the MWC the mockery with AAC posters would be epic. Hypocrisy? Yeah, a little IMHO.
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(05-10-2018 07:27 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(05-10-2018 07:15 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  So, Navy, part of the AAC football conference, negotiates their own deal. We think this is great for the AAC too because a portion of the games are theirs?

Actually, ALL of Navy football is Navy. Some of Navy football is AAC. Can the same be said about the others in the AAC?

It doesn't look good. Whether Navy is in it for the long haul with the AAC or gone this time next year, doing something apart from the AAC while an affiliate AAC member doesn't scream commitment. I never thought Navy was a long-term bet...this validates that suspicion only more.

Somehow it's been spun as a win for the AAC. It's a win for Navy, and good for them as I'm a veteran of the Armed Services myself. but a win for the AAC? Mike Aresco is a very popular man on here.
P.S. If Air Force had a deal like this with the MWC the mockery with AAC posters would be epic. Hypocrisy? Yeah, a little IMHO.

How many games does AFA have with Notre Dame? That's the big acquisition. Not to mention, prior to this deal, all home Navy games were CBSsports, separate from AAC media. We're essentially getting 15 high profile games over the life of the contract to add to our inventory. Ya you'd like to have all of Navy games, sure but it's not like they are trying to bend us over a barrel like Boise tried to do. I'm perfectly fine with this quid pro quo.
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