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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
(05-11-2018 11:53 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  You are worse than Gay Tom with his gay death camps.

At least Tom will post an article that's completely off the topic and try to pass it off. Mach's deep into the bottle today making ludicrous claims.

I decree I shan't respond to his foolishness no more until May 14.

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Mach. Hahahahah. That's all I have anymore with him. Dude is insane. Freaking commit him already.
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
(05-11-2018 11:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I’m saying there is nothing the President can do that will make his base turn away. Nothing. This Cohen slush would have ended every presidency before this one. It’s just another week in the Trump presidency.

Mach, you are being purposefully obtuse.
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
We always had the Republican Party making the blow back noise. It did keep people in check. Now that he has co opted the right all things are now in play. The Cohen slush fund is a game changer for me. That would have ENDED every presidency before this one. You guys are lost.

I used that Rudy G quote from 20 years ago. There’s some great Franklin Graham quotes that would fit the decandancy of this President to a tee.

I’ve turned into the old guy yelling at kids on my lawn though. It’s not a healthy place to be. I’m just sick of you guys just letting this stuff pass because Fox News doesn’t cover it. I feel it’s my duty to at least apprise you guys of it. That’s not good either.

It’s exhausting. I’m fighting the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelaon’s billions. They can buy news coverage. The amount of fake news you guys spout would take a full time secretary. It’s not my job to inform you guys but who else is going to do it? Whose up for that job? Our democracy is going to Hell in a handbasket. I shudder to think what this country is going to be like in 20 years.
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We are no longer a govt of the people. We have manufactured consent by corporations. Mark my words. You will one day realize this.
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
(05-11-2018 11:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys..... try not to get personal. When you want to say me. Say you heard Democrats beat their wives. It’s less personal that way and you still get your point across. I deliberately try to leave names out of attacks. Look through this thread and count the times people personally attack me. Just sayin’. I know I can get you upset. I’m not mad at anybody. Just the scenario.

The point is you are doing the same. Outlandish scenarios with absolutely no proof. Just a bunch of MSM speculation that has very little basis in truth but since you heard Rachael Maddow or some equivalent say “it could be” you take it the one step further.
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(05-11-2018 11:59 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  That would have ENDED every presidency before this one.

No mach... If it was *proven*... So let's see how the investigation plays out.

Quote:I’ve turned into the old guy yelling at kids on my lawn though.

No, because when the old guy is yelling we know for a fact there is a lawn, and we know for a fact kids are on it...

You're the senile guy walking down the street talking yelling about how some other kids on the other side of the world are potential on someone elses lawn.

I'm fine with digging into to this to discover the truth. What I don't want is a deep investigation of *NOTHING* in the hopes you can get him on some technicality.

Quote:I’m fighting the Koch brothers and Sheldon Adelaon’s billions.

No Mach, at best you're larping, during a school day I might add..
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Proctoring tests actually........
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(05-11-2018 11:11 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He was framed!!!!!!

According to the poll you posted and tried to use as republicans being crazy...

55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible

The make up of those 55% that answered yes or not sure when asked the question ..is the FBI trying to frame Trump
14% (D)
46% (I)
39% ®
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(05-11-2018 12:01 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 11:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys..... try not to get personal. When you want to say me. Say you heard Democrats beat their wives. It’s less personal that way and you still get your point across. I deliberately try to leave names out of attacks. Look through this thread and count the times people personally attack me. Just sayin’. I know I can get you upset. I’m not mad at anybody. Just the scenario.

The point is you are doing the same. Outlandish scenarios with absolutely no proof. Just a bunch of MSM speculation that has very little basis in truth but since you heard Rachael Maddow or some equivalent say “it could be” you take it the one step further.

And he gets personal all the time

Idiot
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are all personal when directed at the members of this forum

Mach you don't get to define what is or isn't personal. Actually those are a lot more personal than using the "Mach beats his wife" just to make a point in one of Mach's many post where he uses the same context.
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
Are you telling the truth on that 55%. The Economist/YouGov poll that I have. Question 43.

FBI framing Trump.

Yes he is being framed Total 29%
No, he is not being framed Total 45%
Not Sure 26%


55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible. No opinion does not equal could be possible. Use the vernacular in the actual poll. You are being deceitful. You voted for the right guy. You bend the truth just like him.
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Why would somebody try to lie? Why would you change what the poll said? Facts.... they matter. At least to the non Fox News watchers.
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He only does this because you guys give him so much attention.
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(05-11-2018 01:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Are you telling the truth on that 55%. The Economist/YouGov poll that I have. Question 43.

FBI framing Trump.

Yes he is being framed Total 29%
No, he is not being framed Total 45%
Not Sure 26%


55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible. No opinion does not equal could be possible. Use the vernacular in the actual poll. You are being deceitful. You voted for the right guy. You bend the truth just like him.


If you are not sure about something...it's still a possibility. To me it means someone is on the fence and willing to weight everything. But at this point they heard enough to put doubts in their mind.

So I stick to the below quote and there's nothing deceitful about it. It's 100% clear...

Quote:55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible
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attention.... I'm not giving him attention. He purposely lied about the poll. Not sure is not "could be possible". It could be I have no opinion. It could be I have no knowledge. Saying "it could be possible" is OUTRIGHT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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(05-11-2018 01:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Are you telling the truth on that 55%. The Economist/YouGov poll that I have. Question 43.

FBI framing Trump.

Yes he is being framed Total 29%
No, he is not being framed Total 45%
Not Sure 26%


55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible. No opinion does not equal could be possible. Use the vernacular in the actual poll. You are being deceitful. You voted for the right guy. You bend the truth just like him.

The point is almost 1/3 of the American people believe that the FBI could be compromised that seriously. That is truly disturbing in any text.
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To me it means someone is on the fence and willing to weight everything.

To ME!!! You really put that on there. To Me the poll means this! Put what the poll actually says next time. Capiche.......

I shouldn't have to go through 43 questions on a poll to knock down your nonsense. You mislead people. Like your idiot president.
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
Demonstrable proof that you're schilling for a party and not the country, Mach...
(05-11-2018 11:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  1 trillion debt every year. Economy sure goes great til the music stops....

Something you NEVER worried about under Obama... If we recovered from HIS trillions, we'll recover from Trump's... and if we don't, then Trump's trillions will be no more (nor less) harmful than Obama's or Bush's or Clinton's or Reagan's or Carter's etc.


(05-11-2018 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  Ted Kennedy actually did commit manslaughter. And covered it up. Yet the Democrats nearly nominated him for president 8 years later.

This is true. Much like Trump's comment about 'grabbing genitals' or his supposed treatment of women... Bill Clinton actually committed a workplace violation that would result in protests from feminists and the left while in office. Trump only spoke about it and even if he did it, wasn't in public office when he did. Stormy is more like what Bill did as Governor and yet the left still elected him to even higher office... KNOWING it. I suspect Mach didn't vote for Ted, but I'm confident he WOULD have... I'm more confident he voted for Bill and I KNOW he voted for Hillary. Physician, heal thyself.

If Democrats can survive Bill and Ted's wild adventures and Republicans can survive Obama's policies, we can all easily survive Trump.

(05-11-2018 11:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys hit on the biggest danger of this presidency albeit unknowingly. It’s always fit for tat. Clinton did this. We are NEVER coming back from this!!!!! When a Democrat gets in that is Trump lite what is going to happen? My side is going to say whattabout Trump!!!

You're talking about what 'our side' WILL do. How does that make it okay when you're actually DOING it now?

How is it Trump's fault that you guys blamed Bush for everything, even before 2007? That wasn't the first time a party has done that, but it was certainly 'pre' Trump.

Just using your own words here... how is this Trump's fault, but not Clinton's? I'd easily argue that the biggest reason Trump won is that 'whatever' bad things you could say about Trump that would keep Republicans home or motivate moderates was in some ways WORSE for the candidate you ran against him.

He's a misogynist... well, Hillary enabled and defended one and also attacked women making similar claims about her husband.
He has shady business deals.... well, Tyson, Whitewater etc
We were hacked.... well, didn't you have some long-standing periods where people were concerned about your internet security and you maintained that you were perfectly safe?
He has a history of paying off women to keep them quiet... well, so does your husband
The Russians... Well, didn't you just sign off on a questionable deal with them as well?

This isn't just Republicans who said that. Like Democrats, they were going to vote for whomever had the 'r'... MODERATES/Swings said it.... THAT is why Hillary lost... she lost SWING states and SWING voters.


Quote:I could go on and on...........

and you HAVE

Quote:......I know in my heart I just have to wait for the investigation to finish but I could just shake the shyt out of you guys for being so stupid and for letting this monstrosity run wreck shod.

Let's start with this.... You're a teacher, right? The term is running 'rough shod' and refers to horse shoes with protruding nails which grip tightly but tears up the turf.... so while the horse gets where they're trying to go, they leave a path of destruction (literally) in their wake. The term therefore refers to someone who doesn't care about the damage they are doing but only about their goals. Sorry, but it's important to me that if we're going to use idioms and teach them to children, especially ones that are as 'on point' as the one you're trying to make here, that they understand where these things come from. Running Wreck Sho(e)d doesn't even make sense so the idiom is meaningless.

Second, I think it pretty obvious that 'when' you demonstrate your claims... that many moderates and fence sitters will be on board with you.... and even many dyed in the wool republicans who actually preferred Cruz or others held their noses and voted AGAINST Hillary would have stayed home if you'd run almost anyone else.... and to make matters worse, we find in the emails that Hillary and the DNC cheated in order to elect her, so the claims about Trump cheating once again ring fairly hollow. SOmething about people in glass houses.

FTR, the idiom about 'dyed in the wool' has to do with the natural color of the sheeps wool... i.e. wool that comes from a black sheep is 'dyed in the wool' and thus more permanent/difficult to change than white wool that has been made black by use of colorants... so again, the idiom makes sense if you understand the genesis. Dyed in the wool democrats (of which there are many) are just as guilty as republicans... And THEY are the ones who cheated themselves and chose to run the worst candidate to stop Trump.
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(05-11-2018 12:59 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 12:01 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 11:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Boys..... try not to get personal. When you want to say me. Say you heard Democrats beat their wives. It’s less personal that way and you still get your point across. I deliberately try to leave names out of attacks. Look through this thread and count the times people personally attack me. Just sayin’. I know I can get you upset. I’m not mad at anybody. Just the scenario.

The point is you are doing the same. Outlandish scenarios with absolutely no proof. Just a bunch of MSM speculation that has very little basis in truth but since you heard Rachael Maddow or some equivalent say “it could be” you take it the one step further.



And he gets personal all the time

Idiot
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are all personal when directed at the members of this forum

Mach you don't get to define what is or isn't personal. Actually those are a lot more personal than using the "Mach beats his wife" just to make a point in one of Mach's many post where he uses the same context.

(05-11-2018 01:13 PM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 01:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Are you telling the truth on that 55%. The Economist/YouGov poll that I have. Question 43.

FBI framing Trump.

Yes he is being framed Total 29%
No, he is not being framed Total 45%
Not Sure 26%


55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible. No opinion does not equal could be possible. Use the vernacular in the actual poll. You are being deceitful. You voted for the right guy. You bend the truth just like him.

The point is almost 1/3 of the American people believe that the FBI could be compromised that seriously. That is truly disturbing in any text.

yes indeed, it's very disturbing how Fox News can turn a solid third of this country into misinformed sheeple. We had rules at one time to guard against such nonsense. Guess which party did away with the fairness doctrine so both sides couldn't be heard. This is the fruits of those labors. A solid third of our country believes that the FBI is framing Trump!
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(05-11-2018 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  attention.... I'm not giving him attention. He purposely lied about the poll. Not sure is not "could be possible". It could be I have no opinion. It could be I have no knowledge. Saying "it could be possible" is OUTRIGHT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach the "only giving him attention" was directed at YOU. So let me be more clear.... STOP GIVING YOU...attention. The fact you did not see and understand that gets to crux of a lot of your post. You lack good old common sense


not sure means you are on the fence, undecided, and in the question asked....

there are 2 100% answers and they were YES & NO. So I think it's obvious that if you are unsure....you have some information on the subject being questioned.
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