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(05-11-2018 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  attention.... I'm not giving him attention. He purposely lied about the poll. Not sure is not "could be possible". It could be I have no opinion. It could be I have no knowledge. Saying "it could be possible" is OUTRIGHT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Either Mach is a very very smart and excellent troll or he is a blithering idiot. I still don’t know which.
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(05-11-2018 01:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Demonstrable proof that you're schilling for a party and not the country, Mach...
(05-11-2018 11:07 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  1 trillion debt every year. Economy sure goes great til the music stops....

Something you NEVER worried about under Obama... If we recovered from HIS trillions, we'll recover from Trump's... and if we don't, then Trump's trillions will be no more (nor less) harmful than Obama's or Bush's or Clinton's or Reagan's or Carter's etc.


(05-11-2018 11:42 AM)bullet Wrote:  Ted Kennedy actually did commit manslaughter. And covered it up. Yet the Democrats nearly nominated him for president 8 years later.

This is true. Much like Trump's comment about 'grabbing genitals' or his supposed treatment of women... Bill Clinton actually committed a workplace violation that would result in protests from feminists and the left while in office. Trump only spoke about it and even if he did it, wasn't in public office when he did. Stormy is more like what Bill did as Governor and yet the left still elected him to even higher office... KNOWING it. I suspect Mach didn't vote for Ted, but I'm confident he WOULD have...

If Democrats can survive Bill and Ted's wild adventures and Republicans can survive Obama's policies, we can all easily survive Trump.

(05-11-2018 11:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You guys hit on the biggest danger of this presidency albeit unknowingly. It’s always fit for tat. Clinton did this. We are NEVER coming back from this!!!!! When a Democrat gets in that is Trump lite what is going to happen? My side is going to say whattabout Trump!!!

You're talking about what 'our side' WILL do. How does that make it okay when you're actually DOING it now?

How is it Trump's fault that you guys blamed Bush for everything, even before 2007? That wasn't the first time a party has done that, but it was certainly 'pre' Trump.

Just using your own words here... how is this Trump's fault, but not Clinton's? I'd easily argue that the biggest reason Trump won is that 'whatever' bad things you could say about Trump that would keep Republicans home or motivate moderates was in some ways WORSE for the candidate you ran against him.

He's a misogynist... well, Hillary enabled and defended one and also attacked women making similar claims about her husband.
He has shady business deals.... well, Tyson, Whitewater etc
We were hacked.... well, didn't you have some long-standing periods where people were concerned about your internet security and you maintained that you were perfectly safe?
He has a history of paying off women to keep them quiet... well, so does your husband
The Russians... Well, didn't you just sign off on a questionable deal with them as well?

This isn't just Republicans who said that. Like Democrats, they were going to vote for whomever had the 'r'... MODERATES/Swings said it.... THAT is why Hillary lost... she lost SWING states and SWING voters.


Quote:I could go on and on...........

and you HAVE

Quote:......I know in my heart I just have to wait for the investigation to finish but I could just shake the shyt out of you guys for being so stupid and for letting this monstrosity run wreck shod.

Let's start with this.... You're a teacher, right? The term is running 'rough shod' and refers to horse shoes with protruding nails which grip tightly but tears up the turf.... so while the horse gets where they're trying to go, they leave a path of destruction (literally) in their wake. The term therefore refers to someone who doesn't care about the damage they are doing but only about their goals. Sorry, but it's important to me that if we're going to use idioms and teach them to children, especially ones that are as 'on point' as the one you're trying to make here, that they understand where these things come from. Running Wreck Sho(e)d doesn't even make sense so the idiom is meaningless.

Second, I think it pretty obvious that 'when' you demonstrate your claims... that many moderates and fence sitters will be on board with you.... and even many dyed in the wool republicans who actually preferred Cruz or others held their noses and voted AGAINST Hillary would have stayed home if you'd run almost anyone else.... and to make matters worse, we find in the emails that Hillary and the DNC cheated in order to elect her, so the claims about Trump cheating once again ring fairly hollow. SOmething about people in glass houses.

FTR, the idiom about 'dyed in the wool' has to do with the natural color of the sheeps wool... i.e. wool that comes from a black sheep is 'dyed in the wool' and thus more permanent/difficult to change than white wool that has been made black by use of colorants... so again, the idiom makes sense if you understand the genesis. Dyed in the wool democrats (of which there are many) are just as guilty as republicans... And THEY are the ones who chose to run the worst candidate to stop Trump.


I don't like replying to you because I believe we are not equal in a battle of ideals. There exists an imbalance of power, but I HAVE TO strike down such an awful ideal.

Something you NEVER worried about under Obama... If we recovered from HIS trillions, we'll recover from Trump's... and if we don't, then Trump's trillions will be no more (nor less) harmful than Obama's or Bush's or Clinton's or Reagan's or Carter's etc.


One I have always worried about the debt. You presented that I never worried about the debt under Obama. Back up your claims. You said something. Back it up. The challenge is set. Please show where I was never worried about the debt. You can't. You won't. You are a fraud and I'll take away your most obvious reply. An absence of me not saying something about the debt does not constitute not worrying about it. I HAVE advocated about raising taxes to balance the budget along with Obamacare in 2008-2010. However, I am utterly sure you can not find me saying I do not worry about the debt. I have posted on many occasions that the only people who care about the debt are the people out of power. You will find that. However, me personally. I have always cared about it. I've POSTED numerous times we have to raise taxes. Numerous times and even my most ardent critic will attest to that if they have been paying a scant of attention. Your first reply is so blatantly false I don't even want to read the rest of your post.

Show where I have I have said I don't care about the debt.

Second part- Have you ever heard about the straw that breaks the camels back? When you are digging a hole the first thing you need to do is stop digging? Your argument is pathetic.
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(05-11-2018 01:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  attention.... I'm not giving him attention. He purposely lied about the poll. Not sure is not "could be possible". It could be I have no opinion. It could be I have no knowledge. Saying "it could be possible" is OUTRIGHT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach the "only giving him attention" was directed at YOU. So let me be more clear.... STOP GIVING YOU...attention. The fact you did not see and understand that gets to crux of a lot of your post. You lack good old common sense


not sure means you are on the fence, undecided, and in the question asked....

there are 2 100% answers and they were YES & NO. So I think it's obvious that if you are unsure....you have some information on the subject being questioned.

CATEGORICALLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I poll 100 people walking into a Wal Mart.

Does a photon have mass?

Yes
No
Not sure

Plenty of those "not sure" wouldn't have a clue what a photon is. Your argument is patently FALSE. Demonstrably FALSE. You were deceitful in your 55%. You know it now and it's ludicrous to argue the point.
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(05-11-2018 01:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 01:19 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 01:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  attention.... I'm not giving him attention. He purposely lied about the poll. Not sure is not "could be possible". It could be I have no opinion. It could be I have no knowledge. Saying "it could be possible" is OUTRIGHT DECEPTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mach the "only giving him attention" was directed at YOU. So let me be more clear.... STOP GIVING YOU...attention. The fact you did not see and understand that gets to crux of a lot of your post. You lack good old common sense


not sure means you are on the fence, undecided, and in the question asked....

there are 2 100% answers and they were YES & NO. So I think it's obvious that if you are unsure....you have some information on the subject being questioned.

CATEGORICALLY WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I poll 100 people walking into a Wal Mart.

Does a photon have mass?

Yes
No
Not sure

Plenty of those "not sure" wouldn't have a clue what a photon is. Your argument is patently FALSE. Demonstrably FALSE. You were deceitful in your 55%. You know it now and it's ludicrous to argue the point.

If someone being asked a question about the FBI and know nothing about it. They should never been in this poll or a No opinion/I dont know % should be in the poll. That was not one of the answers so now you dont get to assume.


Again Not Sure defined is...."on the fence" to be on the fence about something means you have a opinion and some information.

The one thing we know 100% by the poll. Only 45% think that there is no chance the FBI is framing President Trump.

So twist it anyway you want but that leaves 55% to believe the FBI is framing the President or it's possible. We don't know the % of those "on the fence" that will change their mind to a yes or no. But on the day the poll was taken.....

55% of Americans believe Trump is being framed or it's possible
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So what exactly will we need to recover from?
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(05-11-2018 01:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  So what exactly will we need to recover from?

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(05-11-2018 11:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Mach... *IF* we don't recover from this it will be because of people like you who want to pretend this is some new "low" for politics.

Trump is a loud, obnoxious, bragger who is very good at spinning big fish tales. But nothing you have up here is really "new" or a "new normal".

In 1998 The Clinton's blind trust was reported to have 100,000$ in it... In 1999 the trust paid out more than 350K to Paula Jones... George Soros and linked people have contributed millions to covering up the Clinton's shenanigans over the years.

And you don't care.

Prominent democrats have been caught with refrigerators full of money, and other such scandals...

And you don't care.

Podesta was in bed with the Russians

And you don't care.

The fact you think this is new, or beyond the pale... *THATS* the problem with our political discourse.

FFS the "it was just sex" party has turned in the "A storm is coming" and "trumps golden showers" party.

All over a almost completely unverified dossier bought off a foreign intelligence officer funded by trumps political opponents.

This right here. I just can't get too outraged over Trump. So much of what he does is really politics as usual. He just does it without the facade of decorum.
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(05-11-2018 01:55 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  So what exactly will we need to recover from?

The marxist Amerika that was being built buy oblunder and has been systematically toppled by Trump will never recover.
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(05-11-2018 02:17 PM)EigenEagle Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 11:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Mach... *IF* we don't recover from this it will be because of people like you who want to pretend this is some new "low" for politics.

Trump is a loud, obnoxious, bragger who is very good at spinning big fish tales. But nothing you have up here is really "new" or a "new normal".

In 1998 The Clinton's blind trust was reported to have 100,000$ in it... In 1999 the trust paid out more than 350K to Paula Jones... George Soros and linked people have contributed millions to covering up the Clinton's shenanigans over the years.

And you don't care.

Prominent democrats have been caught with refrigerators full of money, and other such scandals...

And you don't care.

Podesta was in bed with the Russians

And you don't care.

The fact you think this is new, or beyond the pale... *THATS* the problem with our political discourse.

FFS the "it was just sex" party has turned in the "A storm is coming" and "trumps golden showers" party.

All over a almost completely unverified dossier bought off a foreign intelligence officer funded by trumps political opponents.

This right here. I just can't get too outraged over Trump. So much of what he does is really politics as usual. He just does it without the facade of decorum.

You call pissing off Republicans and Democrats as politics as usual? If it was just politics as usual you not not be seeing the government, media and spooks going after this President....

Trump is a real threat to those that do..."politics as usual" and its scares the **** out of them
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(05-11-2018 11:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  He could murder babies daily on the south lawn and this room would say. What’s wrong with that? What proof do you have he actually did it?


Link?









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So which is it...should we be waiting for the investigation to close before we draw conclusions, or are we supposed to post threads every minute speculating about end times without sources backed up by facts?

To answer the main topic of this thread, I'm not sure what I should be concerned with yet. Unemployment is down (so is labor participation so I guess I'm moderately concerned about that). Illegal immigration has been curbed. North Korea is apparently going to come back into the fold with regard to world politics. My taxes are lower. The economy seems to be gaining steam. Sure the president isn't behaving "presidential", but I'd rather a president act like an ass and get sh*t done than act like an angel and do nothing. If the president banged a porn star 5 years ago or 15 years ago, what do I care. If he keeps this country moving forward he can have a Caligula-style orgy on the White House Lawn everyday and all I would say is "Well, he earned it...good for him - And I hope that horse consented to that". And I would honestly say that about any leader - Republican or Democrat. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I might in 2020 if this keeps up.
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(05-11-2018 11:53 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  
(05-11-2018 11:37 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I’m saying there is nothing the President can do that will make his base turn away. Nothing. This Cohen slush would have ended every presidency before this one. It’s just another week in the Trump presidency.

You should save what sanity you have left and understand that the right is not going to throw Trump under the bus until you idiots PROVE some serious misdoings. Just because complete nobodies like yourself throw out leftist (Russian) propaganda doesn’t mean thinking people who lean left will mindlessly reject Trump.
BTW, I don’t spend my time here to change your mind. You are what you proclaim to hate, you don’t realize it and you will never change. I do it because I like it.


Pretty much this

It’s another SpongeBob “throw the arms in the air and run around with the hair on fire before running head first into a wall” moment a day with the raving lunatic VFNN fan base.

Today? Pinning the hopes and dreams of the Cank being coronated after all on the irrefutable word of someone as trust worthy as the sketch lawyer for a high priced hooker/porn star.

Not a good look...
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Trump is normalizing such outrageous behaviors that either side will be able to ratchet up the dysfunction. If you can’t get upset about your side creating a slush fund to pay off hookers and abortions both sides will be able to rationalize anything. I know I’m not going to listen to anything the right says about being righteous or having family values. I know it’s a bunch of crap. You only care about winning. The ends justify the means.
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(05-11-2018 03:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump is normalizing such outrageous behaviors that either side will be able to ratchet up the dysfunction. If you can’t get upset about your side creating a slush fund to pay off hookers and abortions both sides will be able to rationalize anything. I know I’m not going to listen to anything the right says about being righteous or having family values. I know it’s a bunch of crap. You only care about winning. The ends justify the means.



Don't talk to us about morals. Your side forfeited the high moral ground long ago.

You are the party of 100 genders, abortion of demand, selling fetal organs to the highest bidder, boys and girls sharing locker rooms and bathrooms in schools, little girls sharing bathrooms with 40-year-old male degenerate freaks.
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(05-11-2018 03:12 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Trump is normalizing such outrageous behaviors that either side will be able to ratchet up the dysfunction. If you can’t get upset about your side creating a slush fund to pay off hookers and abortions both sides will be able to rationalize anything. I know I’m not going to listen to anything the right says about being righteous or having family values. I know it’s a bunch of crap. You only care about winning. The ends justify the means.

I don't care about him paying off hookers or getting abortions - I think of that as job creation. But to say he "normalized" something because there is a unproven accusation is a bit of a leap. And to think he's the first president to dabble in either of those is probably naïve.
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(05-11-2018 02:38 PM)genda Wrote:  So which is it...should we be waiting for the investigation to close before we draw conclusions, or are we supposed to post threads every minute speculating about end times without sources backed up by facts?

To answer the main topic of this thread, I'm not sure what I should be concerned with yet. Unemployment is down (so is labor participation so I guess I'm moderately concerned about that). Illegal immigration has been curbed. North Korea is apparently going to come back into the fold with regard to world politics. My taxes are lower. The economy seems to be gaining steam. Sure the president isn't behaving "presidential", but I'd rather a president act like an ass and get sh*t done than act like an angel and do nothing. If the president banged a porn star 5 years ago or 15 years ago, what do I care. If he keeps this country moving forward he can have a Caligula-style orgy on the White House Lawn everyday and all I would say is "Well, he earned it...good for him - And I hope that horse consented to that". And I would honestly say that about any leader - Republican or Democrat. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I might in 2020 if this keeps up.


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The horse comment damn near has me in tears!
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(05-11-2018 02:38 PM)genda Wrote:  So which is it...should we be waiting for the investigation to close before we draw conclusions, or are we supposed to post threads every minute speculating about end times without sources backed up by facts?

To answer the main topic of this thread, I'm not sure what I should be concerned with yet. Unemployment is down (so is labor participation so I guess I'm moderately concerned about that). Illegal immigration has been curbed. North Korea is apparently going to come back into the fold with regard to world politics. My taxes are lower. The economy seems to be gaining steam. Sure the president isn't behaving "presidential", but I'd rather a president act like an ass and get sh*t done than act like an angel and do nothing. If the president banged a porn star 5 years ago or 15 years ago, what do I care. If he keeps this country moving forward he can have a Caligula-style orgy on the White House Lawn everyday and all I would say is "Well, he earned it...good for him - And I hope that horse consented to that". And I would honestly say that about any leader - Republican or Democrat. I didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but I might in 2020 if this keeps up.

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I think he meant the Democratic party recovers not the USA.
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(05-11-2018 01:04 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Are you telling the truth on that 55%. The Economist/YouGov poll that I have. Question 43.

FBI framing Trump.

Yes he is being framed Total 29%
No, he is not being framed Total 45%
Not Sure 26%


55% of all Americans believe the President is being framed by the FBI or believe it could be possible. No opinion does not equal could be possible. Use the vernacular in the actual poll. You are being deceitful. You voted for the right guy. You bend the truth just like him.

Okay, I literally laughed out loud at you on THIS one...

According to your quote, the actual vernacular in the poll is 'Not Sure', which isn't the same vernacular that you used when you said 'No Opinion'.

I agree, use the vernacular in the poll and don't be deceitful and bend the truth

55% certainly implies that there are many who said precisely 'no opinion' since 'not sure' almost by definition means 'possible' and 26 and 45% is much more than 55%

I know you know this, I'm just laughing at your admonition to others and complete disregard for it yourself.


(05-11-2018 01:31 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't like replying to you because I believe we are not equal in a battle of ideals. There exists an imbalance of power, but I HAVE TO strike down such an awful ideal.

equal in a battle of ideals? How can a battle of ideals be anything BUT equal, since you have yours and I have mine... unless you're saying somehow that yours are better than or worse than mine.

Quote:Something you NEVER worried about under Obama... If we recovered from HIS trillions, we'll recover from Trump's... and if we don't, then Trump's trillions will be no more (nor less) harmful than Obama's or Bush's or Clinton's or Reagan's or Carter's etc.


One I have always worried about the debt. You presented that I never worried about the debt under Obama. Back up your claims. You said something. Back it up. The challenge is set. Please show where I was never worried about the debt. You can't. You won't. You are a fraud and I'll take away your most obvious reply. An absence of me not saying something about the debt does not constitute not worrying about it. I HAVE advocated about raising taxes to balance the budget along with Obamacare in 2008-2010. However, I am utterly sure you can not find me saying I do not worry about the debt. I have posted on many occasions that the only people who care about the debt are the people out of power. You will find that. However, me personally. I have always cared about it. I've POSTED numerous times we have to raise taxes. Numerous times and even my most ardent critic will attest to that if they have been paying a scant of attention. Your first reply is so blatantly false I don't even want to read the rest of your post.

Show where I have I have said I don't care about the debt.

You might try a remedial english course. Since the words after 'something you never worried about' are 'If we recovered from his trillions....' It should be obvious to anyone that I am responding to your Title that you don't think we will recover from this presidency based on (at least in part) HIS contribution to the deficits.

If I had meant as you claim that you didn't care about deficits, I wouldn't have followed it with an 'either/or' with regard to them.

I can find all sorts of times when you and I (as a fiscal conservative) were aligned in our concerns about the debt. Did you ever similarly say that Obama's debt was a problem FROM WHICH WE MAY NEVER RECOVER?

No.

I stand by my statement as 100% factual, and you've even admitted it.

But that's the GOOD news for you. The BAD news for you is...

Here https://csnbbs.com/thread-777157.html you had some creative ideas to reduce it. Apparently you thought it was still manageable (meaning we will still recover) in April 2016

In THIS thread https://csnbbs.com/thread-776862.html you actually predicted your own response... and actually in many ways mirrored mine...
The beholder will see what he wants to see. You can show charts that make the Republicans look like heathens and the D's as responsible and you can show the flip side just as easily. What honest people will realize is you care a heck of a lot more about the debt when the party of your adversary holds office. It's been an unmitigated disaster since Reagan and every party kicks the can down the road.

Obviously again you didn't think we couldn't recover from our debt and were merely concerned about the finger pointing... which is exactly what you're doing.

and of course there is THIS one
https://csnbbs.com/thread-724103.html

Where in a thread about why Obama didn't mention the 18 trillion dollar debt, your response was:
Bless your heart.

You only care about the deficit and debt when a D is in office. What the hell happened to the Deficits don't matter Dick Cheney party? Did I misplace those guys in the seat cushion? Did I leave them in the car?

You guys wouldn't be hypocrites now would you?


I'd ask you the same question

I never said you didn't care about deficits. I said you were never concerned about the USA recovering from a president's deficits when it was Obama running them up.

You admit that here....


Quote:Second part- Have you ever heard about the straw that breaks the camels back? When you are digging a hole the first thing you need to do is stop digging? Your argument is pathetic.

Yes, there are straws that break camel's backs... however as I said, that last single piece of straw is no more nor less responsible than the first piece. You are engaging in exactly what you chastised others for 2 years ago and calling me pathetic when I make the exact same argument back to you... all the while whining like a 2 year old about people making personal attacks.

You're like the family with $100 to spend on food who blows $99 on a fancy dinner for two and then when the baby needs $5 in formula, you blame the baby for blowing the budget.

Here, let me quote you...

It's been an unmitigated disaster since Reagan and every party kicks the can down the road...

I agree, Yet for some reason, you've decided that despite the fact that Obama had 4 annual deficits of over 1 trillion (3 over 1.3 trillion) and according to the OMB, Trump will be within a hairs breath of $1 trillion, but never over.... that THIS is the breaking point. Not 18 trillion, not 19 trillion, not 20 trillion.... but 22 trillion... That's it. We MAY be done.

It seems quite obvious why you've chosen THIS time and THESE trillions as that breaking point.

You ARE the hypocrite under Trump that you accused others of being under Obama.... the only difference is that after Obama, you KNOW you can't legitimately say that deficits alone are bad, so you have to claim that we're at some sort of arbitrary tipping point.

So tell me how you arrived at the conclusion that it's (as an example) 22 trillion from which we may not be able to recover... and not 15 or 16 (under Obama) or 50 (under the NEXT person)?

I'll hang up and listen
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RE: I don't think the USA recovers from this presidency.
(05-11-2018 11:50 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I could go on and on...........

This is the only actual fact you have posted in this thread.
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