Hello There, Guest! (LoginRegister)

Post Reply 
NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
Author Message
HeartOfDixie Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 24,689
Joined: Oct 2013
Reputation: 945
I Root For: Alabama
Location: Huntsville AL
Post: #41
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
(05-15-2018 09:53 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(05-15-2018 07:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(05-15-2018 06:46 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-15-2018 06:39 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(05-14-2018 11:35 AM)JRsec Wrote:  This doesn't hurt Vegas, except in as much as it is a franchised location for gambling like Atlantic city, because as others have pointed out the gambling on sports has had local bookies since Adam and Eve bet on snake races. But what it does indicate is much more cynical. The country has dropped all pretenses of maintaining any sense of decorum or morality. But this is small potatoes compared to some other rulings that have already impacted our society.

Not trying to stoke the fires here, but I’ve never been able to figure out what is actually immoral about gambling? Sure there are a handful of degenerate gamblers that will risk everything but the vast majority of people either won’t do it or will stick to small amounts.

Have you worked in a counseling capacity with those addicted to gambling? I've seen it destroy families, lead to crime, cost the victims jobs and worse. True that's not all of them, but it happens more often than people think.

Para-mutual betting is not necessarily a bad thing. But there are those who can make it one. At least it isn't as debilitating to local economies as the lottery which destroys sales tax bases, and that makes victims of us all.

I'm with you on that for the same reason I am against a lottery.

It's proven to be a tax on the poor and underprivileged.

While that is what it amounts to, no one is forcing people from that socio-economic level to play.

That's very true.

But, it is the kind of thing that the public at large need to determine as a group through a vote. It certainly falls directly within the powers of the various state legislatures.
05-15-2018 04:18 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Dasville Offline
Heisman
*

Posts: 7,796
Joined: Jan 2013
Reputation: 246
I Root For: UofL
Location:
Post: #42
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
Could be a niche argument but, I have to think this would be a good thing for established race tracks. Should/could increase purses which will increase jobs and participation year round.
05-15-2018 06:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Wedge Offline
Moderator
*

Posts: 19,862
Joined: May 2010
Reputation: 964
I Root For: California
Location: IV, V, VI, IX
Post: #43
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
Mark Cuban is out there with a bold prediction:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/mark-cub...ision.html
Quote:The U.S. Supreme Court decision to allow states to legalize sports betting is great news for investors in the sports and gambling industries, billionaire investor Mark Cuban told CNBC on Monday.

"I think everyone who owns a top four professional sports team just basically saw the value of their team double," the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks said in a "Squawk Alley" interview. "It can finally become fun to go to a baseball game again."

Doubling the franchise values seems very optimistic, but widespread access to legal betting could definitely make the TV rights for any sport, pro or college, more valuable.

Even with betting not legal in most places, the NFL's TV ratings, for example, are almost certainly propped up by a large number of viewers who are watching only because they have money on the game.

When anyone can easily make a legal bet, just think of how many more viewers any given game will have, just because of people who care only about their bets.
05-15-2018 07:04 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #44
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
(05-15-2018 10:37 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  
(05-15-2018 09:27 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-14-2018 10:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-14-2018 10:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Veering slightly off topic, it was a great decision for Federalism.
Congress can fix the statute but the way it was written it simply prohibited states from adopting laws or regulations legalizing it.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Well since I am not, and have never been, a Federalist, I can't call it great, only disappointing.05-duck

04-cheers
Down and dirty of the decision.
Congress can choose to regulate something or choose to do nothing but Congress cannot just pass a law telling states they can't do something or must do something. (that's why Congress normally says if you want this money, you've got to do X then it becomes optional).

Congress can outlaw sports betting. They can even outlaw it and grandfather in the states that have it. They can't say states you cannot pass a law allowing sports betting.

Seems like a hair split on first glance but it really is a big deal.

Agreed. Putting aside the moral and economic repercussions of gambling itself, this is really the heart of the decision and it's instructive that it was a fairly clear 7-2 decision that reached across ideological lines.

Now, federalism in and of itself isn't good or bad. I personally believe that it holds up as a principle better when states are seeking to expand rights or commercial activity beyond federal law. That is what has happened in this sports betting case: the federal government was attempting to restrict commercial activity at the state level in an arbitrary fashion. Of course, the federalist argument doesn't look as great when people use the "States' Rights!" argument to pass laws that restrict rights and civil liberties compared to federal laws and regulations.

That is sort of the general rule of thumb: if a state wants to expand rights beyond federal law, then that's generally acceptable. However, if a state wants to restrict rights compared to federal law, then that's generally not acceptable. "States' Rights!" shouldn't be used as a get-out-of-jail-free card to pass discriminatory laws. History has largely played out in this fashion.

Alexander Hamilton stated as much in the Federalist Papers:

"Power being almost always the rival of power, the general government will at all times stand ready to check the usurpations of the state governments, and these will have the same disposition towards the general government. The people, by throwing themselves into either scale, will infallibly make it preponderate. If their rights are invaded by either, they can make use of the other as the instrument of redress."

So, even the father of American federalism (Hamilton) recognized that state sovereignty wasn't absolute. Instead, the people would use the federal government to check state government infringements on people's rights and vice versa. Federalism wasn't ever intended to provide state governments the ability to usurp people's rights that were otherwise granted at the federal level. On the flip side, the federal government shutting down the ability for certain states to participate in economic activity in which other states are allowed (such as this sports gambling scenario) gets to the very heart of federalism.

Well demanding the right to deny people their constitutionally protected rights is one of the odder and sadder movements in US history.

The Feds can still big foot the sports gambling issue but it seems unlikely there is going to be any real push to do so.
05-15-2018 09:49 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
arkstfan Away
Sorry folks
*

Posts: 25,818
Joined: Feb 2004
Reputation: 967
I Root For: Fresh Starts
Location:
Post: #45
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
(05-15-2018 07:04 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Mark Cuban is out there with a bold prediction:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/14/mark-cub...ision.html
Quote:The U.S. Supreme Court decision to allow states to legalize sports betting is great news for investors in the sports and gambling industries, billionaire investor Mark Cuban told CNBC on Monday.

"I think everyone who owns a top four professional sports team just basically saw the value of their team double," the owner of the NBA's Dallas Mavericks said in a "Squawk Alley" interview. "It can finally become fun to go to a baseball game again."

Doubling the franchise values seems very optimistic, but widespread access to legal betting could definitely make the TV rights for any sport, pro or college, more valuable.

Even with betting not legal in most places, the NFL's TV ratings, for example, are almost certainly propped up by a large number of viewers who are watching only because they have money on the game.

When anyone can easily make a legal bet, just think of how many more viewers any given game will have, just because of people who care only about their bets.

Depending on how the states implement, that might not be an unreasonable figure.

We may see the great stadium threat business replaced by teams threatening to relocate if the state won't legalize sports betting. Could see teams adding a betting feature to their apps and have all sorts of prop bets, who scores the next goal, how many rebounds in the game, which player scores the next touchdown, and so on all game long.
05-15-2018 09:56 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
PDNJ Offline
Water Engineer
*

Posts: 39
Joined: Mar 2018
Reputation: 5
I Root For: DU, Iowa
Location:
Post: #46
RE: NCAA loses huge case in Supreme Court
Personally love it since I'm a stone's throw away from Monmouth Park. Can't wait for Thu-Fri March Madness.
05-16-2018 09:38 AM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2024 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2024 MyBB Group.