(05-21-2018 12:16 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 09:26 PM)Stugray2 Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 05:57 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:19 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  This has turned into another UCF thread but it's worth pointing out again that UCF actually does a very good job scheduling P5s and getting P5s to come to Orlando:

2010 - NC State, @Kansas St
2011 - Boston College, @BYU
2012 - Missouri, @Ohio St
2013 - South Carolina, @Penn State
2014 - Penn State (Ireland), @Missouri
2015 - @Stanford, @South Carolina
2016 - @Michigan, Maryland
2017 - Georgia Tech (Cancelled), @Maryland
2018 - @UNC, Pitt
2019 - Stanford, @Pitt
2020 - UNC, @Georgia Tech

That's two Power 5 games every year and in every year but 2014 they got one at home. Most of these are far from cupcakes and in 2012 and 2013 they ended up playing top 5 Ohio State and South Carolina teams.

And to give Texas credit, played a home game at UCF's new home stadium to complete a home and home.

Disney World plus ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex ... that's why UCF can schedule. Having a decent stadium and gate helps too.

Not to mention recruiting. I honestly wouldn't mind seeing South Carolina schedule another home and home with them opposite the game in Gainesville so we can have a game in Central Florida every year.

I can see the recruiting aspect if a lot more teams would play the F_U's. Disney World and ESPiN Wide World of Sports? They were not part of the building of the UCF stadium. Also, if Disney mattered, they would be in a big money conference already. Hopefully, that will change some with the next AAC contract, but that's for another thread.

(05-21-2018 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

Lol. Exactly. The reality—since another school must say “yes” in order for any game to be scheduled, nobody truly “controls” thier own schedule. At best, a school only has veto power over any scheduling option. That’s about as far as a schools control of thier schedule extends.

The dirty little secret about SOS is that every P5 school will play 8 games again5 P5’s. Since every G5 has to play a minimum of 8 games against G5’s, it’s virtually a mathematic impossibility for any G5 to have a schedule that’s stronger than even the weakest P5 schedule. Thus, the best G5 schedule every year is going to be about #66—and that’s assuming it’s better than any indy schedule (BYU, for instance, would often finish ahead of the highest G5 because they are not tied to 8 G5 games). So, it’s easy to see, using SOS as the primary screen for the CFP means it’s simply impossible for a G5 to get in.

You aren’t wrong.

But, it still doesn’t explain why anybody has any duty to give anything to UCF.

This is, after all, a competition.

(05-20-2018 10:02 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-20-2018 01:13 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 11:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 09:10 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(05-19-2018 08:52 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  No, not really. Just reinforcing the fact that for a series to happen it has to provide a benefit for both parties. Under the terms you and other UCF fans want it only benefits UCF. Until UCF brings something to the table a series is not likely to happen.

Yeah I get it it’s not about competing it’s about money.

Competing with what? A program that in a three year period you don;t know if you are getting the winless version or undefeated version?

Let's say Alabama does schedule this home and home you desire. The year you go to Alabama you are the 0-12 version of your Jekyll and Hyde program. What benefit does Alabama get from playing you?

At least with Boise you can point to a sustained level of competition. You UCF fans point to beating Baylor and Auburn as examples of how you belong and ignore the fact that there are players on the team that beat Auburn who lost to Furman. You can't play on both sides of the street.

Shows how little you know about UCF. The culture of gol is what led to winless seasons. He tried to be AD and HC at the same time. He had his inept protege Brent Key in de facto HC. He was statistical the worst OC in UCF history. Gol also had an old school hard ass mentality that wasn’t good for players. The locker room was lost before the season started and players quit. That’s why you had the same players that were 0-12 that went 13-0. Frost changed the culture, didn’t curse players out for no reason, he developed players on and off the field. Frost spent time getting to know his players and voila. You old guard types are predictable and hilarious.

Nah, I knew everything you posted. The reasoning you are using is total BS but I knew the important stuff.

But let's play along with your line of reasoning. You want to say that since O'Leary is gone we can't use his time at UCF as an example. OK. Scott Frost is now the head coach at Nebraska. You can't use his time at UCF as an example either.

Now make your case.

Wth are you talking about? Nevermind I’ll let your ignorant posts speak for themselves.

(05-21-2018 07:11 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 09:30 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:45 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  You just laid out the perfect reasons in your previous post which undermines your current argument

Lol. Exactly. The reality—since another school must say “yes” in order for any game to be scheduled, nobody truly “controls” thier own schedule. At best, a school only has veto power over any scheduling option. That’s about as far as a schools control of thier schedule extends.

The dirty little secret about SOS is that every P5 school will play 8 games again5 P5’s. Since every G5 has to play a minimum of 8 games against G5’s, it’s virtually a mathematic impossibility for any G5 to have a schedule that’s stronger than even the weakest P5 schedule. Thus, the best G5 schedule every year is going to be about #66—and that’s assuming it’s better than any indy schedule (BYU, for instance, would often finish ahead of the highest G5 because they are not tied to 8 G5 games). So, it’s easy to see, using SOS as the primary screen for the CFP means it’s simply impossible for a G5 to get in.

You aren’t wrong.

But, it still doesn’t explain why anybody has any duty to give anything to UCF.

This is, after all, a competition.

They dont.

Im simply pointing out that SOS is nothing more than a smoke screen to eliminate half the teams in FBS before the first snap of the season. If Alabama is the best team in the nation---then they would likely be would be undefeated against the #66 schedule. So, if Bama was undefeated against that #66 schedule---its certainly possible they are the best team in the nation. Conversely, the moment any team has a loss---very basic common sense says they are not the best team in the nation. That's why when the number #1 team in the nation loses---they are not #1 in the next weeks poll.

Yet---somehow, we have a system that says teams that lose 2, 3, and 4 games are better than teams that dont lose any. I have yet to have anyone adequately explain to me how losing to a good team proves you are a good team. Any team is capable of losing to a good team---the real trick is beating the good team. If losing to a good team meant you were a good team---Kansas would be national champs. SOS should be a factor---but the criteria needs to be pliable enough to recognize the realities and economics of scheduling. G5's are never going to have a P5 rated schedule. Figure out a way to compare the two types of teams. That seems to simply be beyond the capability of the current committee setup (either that, or the stacked committee is willfully being dismissive of G5 entries---which is frankly what seems to be going on).

As for scheduling, nobody owes UCF a thing. However, the UCF's of the world shouldnt be penalized because teams that would help their SOS can make more money playing someone else. Thats just economics. For most teams not on the level of the Notre Dame's or Alabama's, scheduling is not completely within their control. They can only schedule teams that say "Yes---we will play you".