(05-17-2018 09:26 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac-12 has to get in Tex, Houston is thier only shot.
Hawaii gives them xtra games [at least 5 in FB]

If the Pac feels it must expand and can't get Big 12 schools, it invites Houston and SMU.
Its potential additions:
1. Houston


2. SMU

3. Colorado St.
4. UNLV
5. Rice

That's about it outside the Big 12. BYU would be a more valuable addition than any of those except perhaps Houston, but that's just not going to happen.

I don't believe the Pac 12 or the Big 12 will lose any schools in the next 20 years. The Big 12 may add 2 come next TV contract, but that is it.

Add Arizona, Arizona State in expansion? Why, for Big 12, it's a plus sometimes to be smaller
https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college...es-smaller

Pac 12 simply needs to expand into Texas.

(05-18-2018 11:17 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  Pac 12 simply needs to expand into Texas.

The problem is that currently they can't offer enough to make taking in Texas and pals worth it to Texas and pals. And even if they could Texas would be about the only school that met their metrics.

I think if you put Texas in the pac 12 the numbers would work out fine for everybody. Heck, the pac 12 could could go all Texas and add Texas, Texas tech, Houston and TCU. That 16 team setup would match anything the big 10 or Sec could come up with, one of them would get OU.

TCU has the lowest research activity of any P5 school. And before recent expansion, I think they were the lowest of any FBS school. Rice would be invited before TCU.

(05-18-2018 03:32 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  TCU has the lowest research activity of any P5 school. And before recent expansion, I think they were the lowest of any FBS school. Rice would be invited before TCU.

Doesn't TCU have a lot of money that it could choose to point toward research if a Pac invite were in the cards (as a Longhorn companion, of course)? I would think they'd go that route to avoid being left behind in a UT-less rump Big 12.

(05-18-2018 03:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 03:32 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  TCU has the lowest research activity of any P5 school. And before recent expansion, I think they were the lowest of any FBS school. Rice would be invited before TCU.

Doesn't TCU have a lot of money that it could choose to point toward research if a Pac invite were in the cards (as a Longhorn companion, of course)? I would think they'd go that route to avoid being left behind in a UT-less rump Big 12.

No. Not really. Sports fans REALLY underestimate the cost of developing a research infrastructure. It’s order(s) of magnitude cheaper to build a P5 athletic department from scratch than it is to build an upper tier research institution from scratch (what TCU would have to do). TCU could spend half of their $1.5B endowment and probably surpass Boise State from a research activity standpoint. Rice could spend half of their $5.3 B endowment and have better athletic facilities and infrastructure than many P5 schools. Neither school is going to spend half their endowment, but TCU would have to cash in to get out of the basement.

(05-18-2018 04:39 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 03:37 PM)Nerdlinger Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 03:32 PM)jrj84105 Wrote:  TCU has the lowest research activity of any P5 school. And before recent expansion, I think they were the lowest of any FBS school. Rice would be invited before TCU.

Doesn't TCU have a lot of money that it could choose to point toward research if a Pac invite were in the cards (as a Longhorn companion, of course)? I would think they'd go that route to avoid being left behind in a UT-less rump Big 12.

No. Not really. Sports fans REALLY underestimate the cost of developing a research infrastructure. It’s order(s) of magnitude cheaper to build a P5 athletic department from scratch than it is to build an upper tier research institution from scratch (what TCU would have to do). TCU could spend half of their $1.5B endowment and probably surpass Boise State from a research activity standpoint. Rice could spend half of their $5.3 B endowment and have better athletic facilities and infrastructure than many P5 schools. Neither school is going to spend half their endowment, but TCU would have to cash in to get out of the basement.

Now I'm going to keep hoping that UCSD, UC Davis, et al want to play in the big leagues some day. /pipedream

(05-18-2018 08:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:26 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac-12 has to get in Tex, Houston is thier only shot.
Hawaii gives them xtra games [at least 5 in FB]

If the Pac feels it must expand and can't get Big 12 schools, it invites Houston and SMU.
Its potential additions:
1. Houston


2. SMU

3. Colorado St.
4. UNLV
5. Rice

That's about it outside the Big 12. BYU would be a more valuable addition than any of those except perhaps Houston, but that's just not going to happen.

Of all those Texas schools the only one that has a small chance is Rice and that’s with Texas going West. I can see the California schools, especially Stanford being fine having an academic heavyweight as Rice being on a package deal. I’ve always believed if you substituted Baylor with Rice (or perhaps TCU) in 2010, there would be a Pac-16 and A&M would still have gone to the SEC.

Pac-16 East:
-Texas
-Oklahoma
-Colorado
-Utah
-Arizona
-Arizona State
-Rice
-Texas Tech
-Oklahoma State

The Pac-16 West would’ve been the original Pac-8.

(05-18-2018 09:40 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 08:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:26 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac-12 has to get in Tex, Houston is thier only shot.
Hawaii gives them xtra games [at least 5 in FB]

If the Pac feels it must expand and can't get Big 12 schools, it invites Houston and SMU.
Its potential additions:
1. Houston


2. SMU

3. Colorado St.
4. UNLV
5. Rice

That's about it outside the Big 12. BYU would be a more valuable addition than any of those except perhaps Houston, but that's just not going to happen.

Of all those Texas schools the only one that has a small chance is Rice and that’s with Texas going West. I can see the California schools, especially Stanford being fine having an academic heavyweight as Rice being on a package deal. I’ve always believed if you substituted Baylor with Rice (or perhaps TCU) in 2010, there would be a Pac-16 and A&M would still have gone to the SEC.

Pac-16 East:
-Texas
-Oklahoma
-Colorado
-Utah
-Arizona
-Arizona State
-Rice
-Texas Tech
-Oklahoma State

The Pac-16 West would’ve been the original Pac-8.

That would be 17.

since the 90's, never saw a sign that Rice is intrested
money, exposure, time slots are in the East, Texas not looking at Pac-12

(05-18-2018 10:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 09:40 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(05-18-2018 08:37 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 09:26 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Pac-12 has to get in Tex, Houston is thier only shot.
Hawaii gives them xtra games [at least 5 in FB]

If the Pac feels it must expand and can't get Big 12 schools, it invites Houston and SMU.
Its potential additions:
1. Houston


2. SMU

3. Colorado St.
4. UNLV
5. Rice

That's about it outside the Big 12. BYU would be a more valuable addition than any of those except perhaps Houston, but that's just not going to happen.

Of all those Texas schools the only one that has a small chance is Rice and that’s with Texas going West. I can see the California schools, especially Stanford being fine having an academic heavyweight as Rice being on a package deal. I’ve always believed if you substituted Baylor with Rice (or perhaps TCU) in 2010, there would be a Pac-16 and A&M would still have gone to the SEC.

Pac-16 East:
-Texas
-Oklahoma
-Colorado
-Utah
-Arizona
-Arizona State
-Rice
-Texas Tech
-Oklahoma State

The Pac-16 West would’ve been the original Pac-8.

That would be 17.

Sorry, brain fart. I included Utah by mistake.

(05-17-2018 03:44 PM)XLance Wrote:  Texas and Notre Dame will be joining the ACC.
The B1G and their partner (PAC) will need 6 teams between them and the SEC will require 2.
The battle between those three conferences for the 9 teams left in the Big 12 is going to be interesting. BTW one team is getting left out.

Assuming Texsa is off the table, the only ones that would get a serious look would be Kansas and Oklahoma, likely as a twofer. The rest would have to rebuild.

Still, it's years before we know for sure what is going to happen with the Big 12 (or Pac-12).

If The Pac-12 Breaks Up, Here’s Where Every School Would Land
https://thespun.com/pac-12/conference-re...12-breakup

(05-19-2018 12:13 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  If The Pac-12 Breaks Up, Here’s Where Every School Would Land
https://thespun.com/pac-12/conference-re...12-breakup

I saw that. My assessment was it was click bait.

I still think the most likely outcome "if indeed it is the Big 12 that blows apart" is that something like the following will happen:

The SEC to get Oklahoma will take Oklahoma State. If Texas then decides they want into the SEC as well then we might be the first to 18 with Kansas or Tech coming along with them.

West Virginia would be the the 16th for the ACC. They say no, but their academics are not too different from that of Louisville, they reconnect the ACC footprint, and they are good in hoops and football and would be a compromise choice of the current ACC members.

If Texas opts for a different destination from the Sooners then the PAC might be the destination but with friends, 3 of them. (I'm thinking Tech, T.C.U. and Kansas).

I think at that point the Big 10 would wait until 2036 and make plays again for some ACC schools.

If Oklahoma and Kansas head to the Big 10 the SEC would make a play for Texas and a school of their choosing. If that failed we would likely wait.

I could see Oklahoma and Kansas going to the B1G, and Oklahoma State going to the SEC. Texas, at this point, it honestly wouldn't surprise me to see them go to the ACC at ESPN's behest. It'd help 'em sell the SEC/ACC Networks in Texas because you'd be bringing back the Longhorn/Aggie rivalry and every other year it'd be on one of the two networks depending on the home game.

(05-19-2018 12:13 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  If The Pac-12 Breaks Up, Here’s Where Every School Would Land
https://thespun.com/pac-12/conference-re...12-breakup

In which case the Big 10 will be renamed to "The Sea to Shining Sea Conference"

(05-19-2018 02:09 AM)JRsec Wrote:  West Virginia would be the the 16th for the ACC. They say no, but their academics are not too different from that of Louisville, they reconnect the ACC footprint, and they are good in hoops and football and would be a compromise choice of the current ACC members.

West Virginia's academics are way different than Louisville which is a public commuter school.

At this point the ACC could really use WVU's rivalry ability ability across the conference.

WVU-Pittsburgh
WVU-Virginia Tech
WVU-Louisville
WVU-Syracuse
WVU-Clemson

There is a lot of places around the ACC where WVU in town is an important game.