The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

Virginia Tech and NC State were part of a larger deal?

I give that a no if UNC/Duke were exploring SEC seats in case if the conference falls apart.

I can sense there is fear in you that SEC school will get picked off by the B1G and ACC with their greater media markets. That is why the harsh and defensive responses. Its doomed to be picked apart.

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

Years ago the joke was that the SEC had a strong desire to add Duke so Kentucky would have someone to talk to when the subject of basketball came up and Vandy would have someone to talk when the subject of academics came up.

Being AAU and a hoops blue blood I can't imagine the SEC would turn them down if they were interested in joining.

(05-25-2018 01:07 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

Years ago the joke was that the SEC had a strong desire to add Duke so Kentucky would have someone to talk to when the subject of basketball came up and Vandy would have someone to talk when the subject of academics came up.

Being AAU and a hoops blue blood I can't imagine the SEC would turn them down if they were interested in joining.

Eh? Depends on how all of our Southern Baptists would react!

(05-24-2018 11:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

Virginia Tech and NC State were part of a larger deal?

I give that a no if UNC/Duke were exploring SEC seats in case if the conference falls apart.

I can sense there is fear in you that SEC school will get picked off by the B1G and ACC with their greater media markets. That is why the harsh and defensive responses. Its doomed to be picked apart.

Be serious now. The only SEC school that might possibly be "picked off" by another conference is Missouri by the Big Ten. Even that is dubious. And the SEC might not be so disappointed about having them taken off their hands.

Conferences and the schools they want to “give back” after realignment:

SEC: Missouri
Big 12: West Virginia
Big 10: Rutgers, Nebraska
ACC: Louisville
PAC: Utah, Colorado
AAC: Tulsa, Tulane
MWC: San Jose St
CUSA: F_U,s, Old Dominion, Charlotte

I just don’t like the geographical, academic, or cultural fit for most of those schools and their respective conferences.

(05-24-2018 11:01 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

Virginia Tech and NC State were part of a larger deal?

I give that a no if UNC/Duke were exploring SEC seats in case if the conference falls apart.

I can sense there is fear in you that SEC school will get picked off by the B1G and ACC with their greater media markets. That is why the harsh and defensive responses. Its doomed to be picked apart.

It's not harsh and it's not defensive. Your post deserved much harsher. And the information I posted is correct. About the only thing with regard to the SEC's future that I fear is that Auburn will remain in the West when our historical foes are in the East.

And yeah, the conference that out earns the Big 10 by 15 million per school on average last year and will still be 10 million per school on average higher next year even when their 50 million in TV revenue is reported, and will renew its own T1 in 2023 for what could easily be a boost of 7 to 10 million per school, is really, really in jeopardy of being picked apart by the Big 10. The ACC's earnings last year turned out to be an average of 26 million per school in payouts while that of the SEC was at 40.9 million per school. We have the highest % of actual viewers vs the total population of our states of any P5 conference and we are going to be raided by the ACC?

Why don't you try supporting your ridiculous claims instead of just being a poor troll.

The ACC is too weak to raid the SEC. The only two P5s that can be raided (as proved by the last realignment) are the ACC and Big XII. The Pac-12, even with all its “issues”, can claim they’re right there with the Big Ten and SEC in stability.

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

FSU's biggest mistake, at least I thought when it happened.

Absent some serious fundamental change, the only team that maybe, possibly, could be, picked out of the SEC would be Mizzou and even then only once the institutional memory of the move is completely gone. The SEC doesn't have an exit fee, their feeling has always been if someone wants out, then it is in the best interest of the conference for them to be gone.

The Big Ten is secure.

Geography keeps Pac-12 secure.

The Big XII is as secure as Texas and OU desire for it to be.

The ACC is GROSSLY under-rated on this board. Credible accounts indicate that Florida State, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, and UVA all said no thanks to the Big Ten and and UNC didn't flee when Maryland left though they certainly inquired of SEC. I don't believe ACC is impervious but they aren't going to crack easily.

(05-26-2018 12:57 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  Absent some serious fundamental change, the only team that maybe, possibly, could be, picked out of the SEC would be Mizzou and even then only once the institutional memory of the move is completely gone. The SEC doesn't have an exit fee, their feeling has always been if someone wants out, then it is in the best interest of the conference for them to be gone.

The Big Ten is secure.

Geography keeps Pac-12 secure.

The Big XII is as secure as Texas and OU desire for it to be.

The ACC is GROSSLY under-rated on this board. Credible accounts indicate that Florida State, Georgia Tech, UNC, Duke, and UVA all said no thanks to the Big Ten and and UNC didn't flee when Maryland left though they certainly inquired of SEC. I don't believe ACC is impervious but they aren't going to crack easily.

It’ll be interesting to see the ACC in the next few years once their network is launched. If they continue to fall behind the SEC and B1G financially, you’ll see some anxiety with schools that have options. If you’re Florida State or North Carolina, it’s one thing to be behind Penn State and Texas A&M. Another thing is to be behind Minnesota and Missouri. UNC, Duke, Florida State, Clemson, Miami, Virginia and VT have options, perhaps NC State and GT as well. The rest not so much.

(05-25-2018 09:00 AM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Conferences and the schools they want to “give back” after realignment:

SEC: Missouri
Big 12: West Virginia
Big 10: Rutgers, Nebraska
ACC: Louisville
PAC: Utah, Colorado
AAC: Tulsa, Tulane
MWC: San Jose St
CUSA: F_U,s, Old Dominion, Charlotte

You forgot Baylor

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

You didn't ask Angelina Jolie for a date, so she didn't turn you down, right? Virginia Tech's president was saying pretty negative things about moving to the SEC back when the FSU/Clemson to Big 12 rumors were strongest. Virginia Tech had no interest in leaving the ACC for the SEC at that point.

B1G (Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee)
B12 (TAMU, Akransas, LSU)
ACC (Florida, South Carolina, Georgia)

Yes I get it why an Auburn fan is so homer for the SEC because they likely couldn't get placed anywhere in the event of an SEC mass exodus.

Who would replace Missouri if they left? East Carolina?

(05-26-2018 11:40 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  B1G (Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee)
B12 (TAMU, Akransas, LSU)
ACC (Florida, South Carolina, Georgia)

Yes I get it why an Auburn fan is so homer for the SEC because they likely couldn't get placed anywhere in the event of an SEC mass exodus.

Who would replace Missouri if they left? East Carolina?

If you were looking for a way to lose all credibility here, wow, you've found it.

As noted, Missouri is the only SEC school that might possibly leave, and only for the Big Ten. West Virginia makes for a decent replacement in the short term (and one that's actually in the east), but a Missouri departure may be part of a larger realignment that puts other, more valuable pieces in play for the SEC (e.g., Oklahoma).

(05-26-2018 07:48 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:50 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(05-24-2018 10:39 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  The idea the SEC is super desirable is overstated.

The brought in Texas A&M a big time addition. But for addition #2 they had to settle for Missouri.

Florida State-No
Oklahoma-No
Virginia Tech-No
North Carolina-No
NC State-No

All of these could have been in the SEC East instead of Missouri but the SEC had to settle for Missouri.

Virginia Tech and N.C. State weren't a no. They were part of a bigger deal that fell through on the deal level. No invitations were extended to be rejected.

Oklahoma was offered but they were insisting on OSU and Texas A&M had already said yes and the SEC was only taking two. Therefore there was no way for us to simply take them both. We said no, not Oklahoma. So Missouri was all dressed up and willing so she got the corsage.

North Carolina called us when the defection of Maryland occurred and they wanted to know if the worst happened and other ACC schools defected to the Big 10 would we take them even if they wanted to bring Duke. Supposedly we said yes. But, they made it very clear that they weren't going anywhere unless circumstances forced it. So you might say we were to be the safety net.

So out of all that you listed, only Florida State gave us a no. But I suppose being right on 1 out of 5 gives you a batting average of .200 or if they were test questions an F. Sell it however you desire.

You didn't ask Angelina Jolie for a date, so she didn't turn you down, right? Virginia Tech's president was saying pretty negative things about moving to the SEC back when the FSU/Clemson to Big 12 rumors were strongest. Virginia Tech had no interest in leaving the ACC for the SEC at that point.

Non-yes equals no in my book, whether it is conference realignment or sexual relations. NC State and Virginia Tech were in the non-yes category.

For instance, ND has not formally said "No" to moving its football program into the Big Ten (well, since 1999, that is), but its continuing "non-yes" definitely means "No".

This thread is no longer about “ cracks in the p12”, this needs to be moved to the A5 discussion board where crazy realignment theory’s are the keys to unlocking the door to wild imagination , here in the twilight zone
Go Rockets !!!

(05-17-2018 11:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 11:21 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(05-17-2018 10:29 AM)orangefan Wrote:  I would not read this as suggesting the P12 is about to break up. It's more likely saying that the P12 needs to do something dramatic to keep up with the Joneses (i.e., the B1G and the SEC). I continue to believe that they are likely to be the predators, with the B12 as their targets. The P12 and B12 have TV contracts coming up in the same window (2024 +/-). The B12 has its own well documented fractures. Bringing in some Central Time Zone, name brand, and big population state (i.e., Texas) schools would solve a lot of problems for the P12. They've known this for a long time, as evidenced by their effort to go to 16 back in the 2010-2011 time frame.

I agree, and by bringing in 4 new schools they can open up their contract for a renegotiation to iron out issues like the Truck race embarrassment.

Texas, Tech, OU and KU as the targets to get to 16.

If the Pac-12 could pull that off (which I doubt), it would fix a great many of their problems... AND help to stabilize college football as a whole, IMO.

I agree with this for the most part, although I think the four would be Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State. Those 4 (really just OU and UT) represent 80% of the population base of the Big 12 and about 45% of it's revenue. So if the cost of getting Oklahoma is OU the PAC should just shut up, swallow their pride, and do it.

College football only becomes less stable if either the SEC or Big 10 lands either or worse both of Texas and Oklahoma. The resulting financial disparity would lock us into a cycle of upheaval. If the PAC gets them it boosts the PAC into the SEC/B1G range of pay. Of course the same would be true if that foursome headed to the ACC.

The SEC and Big 10 could either stay the course at 14 or if they really wanted to move to 16 they could make niche market adds that would not really affect the overall balance of things.