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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

The final solution. That's all they want. No peaceful coexistence. Just the death of the Jew.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

better than the endless, warring one-state solution we have now. What happens if the Palestinians eventually push out the Jews. Will you accept their 1-state government?

Even with two "States" there will still be fighting and no "solution" will have been gained. This isn't about "peace" for the Palestinians, and by proxy, Palestinian backers, it's about the total annihilation of Israel. No "two state solution" will change that.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

The final solution. That's all they want. No peaceful coexistence. Just the death of the Jew.

the final solution is also what American evangelical christians want... leaving most Jews stuck somewhere in the middle.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  better than the endless, warring one-state and the occupied territory (FIFY) solution we have now.



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Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:29 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

better than the endless, warring one-state solution we have now. What happens if the Palestinians eventually push out the Jews. Will you accept their 1-state government?


So, you can’t answer the question, got it.

What’s “better”? That’s the question.

Not “it’s better”, WHAT’s better?

How?

Where?

Who?
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Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

The final solution. That's all they want. No peaceful coexistence. Just the death of the Jew.

the final solution is also what American evangelical christians want... leaving most Jews stuck somewhere in the middle.


Lol

Illustrating that you know bumpass about “evangelical Christians”, whoever they are or might be.

Good grief.

Do you have anymore 10th grade stereotypes or platitudes you want to put out there?

What a joke.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 01:05 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

The final solution. That's all they want. No peaceful coexistence. Just the death of the Jew.

the final solution is also what American evangelical christians want... leaving most Jews stuck somewhere in the middle.


Lol

Illustrating that you know bumpass about “evangelical Christians”, whoever they are or might be.

Good grief.

Do you have anymore 10th grade stereotypes or platitudes you want to put out there?

What a joke.

Evangelicals are among the biggest Israeli supporters and Zionists out there. IMO, that post of his was only to inflame. It was bait.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:33 PM)thespiritof1976 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:26 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.


I’ll bite.

Explain to me/us how that’ll work. What “solution”?

The final solution. That's all they want. No peaceful coexistence. Just the death of the Jew.

the final solution is also what American evangelical christians want... leaving most Jews stuck somewhere in the middle.

Obviously you are not an evangelical Christian, as this is the exact opposite of what Bible-believing Christians believe and want. The Jews have a (literal) God-given right to Israel... ALL of it.

Where do you come up with this stuff?
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 09:31 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Have two close friends that are Jews. They have both had it with the Dems and now consider themselves independents. They strongly resent the hate for Israel by the Dems.


I do not think it has to do with the Jews themselves. It has to do with idiot leaders in charge like the one in charge of Israel today. That guy is a crock, and a liar that needs to go. He is not interested in peace, and he wants us to do regime change which he wants Trump to do with Iran.
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RE: Why are liberals anti-semetic?
(05-18-2018 01:19 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 12:59 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  the final solution is also what American evangelical christians want... leaving most Jews stuck somewhere in the middle.

Obviously you are not an evangelical Christian, as this is the exact opposite of what Bible-believing Christians believe and want. The Jews have a (literal) God-given right to Israel... ALL of it.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

Quote:The paradox is well known: The beliefs of many evangelical Christians that Israel is special to God — and, for some, a marker in apocalyptic prophecies — lead many to hawkish support of the Jewish state while they simultaneously insist that salvation awaits only those who accept Jesus as their savior.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/world...bassy.html

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(05-19-2018 07:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 09:31 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Have two close friends that are Jews. They have both had it with the Dems and now consider themselves independents. They strongly resent the hate for Israel by the Dems.
I do not think it has to do with the Jews themselves. It has to do with idiot leaders in charge like the one in charge of Israel today. That guy is a crock, and a liar that needs to go. He is not interested in peace, and he wants us to do regime change which he wants Trump to do with Iran.

So what do you think Israel's leaders should do? Teach kids how to fair catch an incoming rocket?
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(05-19-2018 07:39 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 09:31 AM)usmbacker Wrote:  Have two close friends that are Jews. They have both had it with the Dems and now consider themselves independents. They strongly resent the hate for Israel by the Dems.


I do not think it has to do with the Jews themselves. It has to do with idiot leaders in charge like the one in charge of Israel today. That guy is a crock, and a liar that needs to go. He is not interested in peace, and he wants us to do regime change which he wants Trump to do with Iran.

For many years, a lot of people figured it was going to be the GOP that became the extremist party.

Then I always remembered that the Nazis were Socialists.
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(05-18-2018 11:58 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  Most on the left, as do an awful lot of American Jews, support a 2 state solution.

So describe a two state solution that works. Not the pre-1967 borders, by the way. That leaves Israel an indefensible 12 miles wide and a Palestinian state that is split into and not economically viable. And you can't make things better for either one without making them worse for the other.
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I'm Jewish. You cannot negotiate with terrorists - whether it's Hamas or any other organization, you cannot give legitimacy to a group who's dedicated to slaughtering your entire population. There is no great solution as it stands for either party, save for the Palestinians not acting like savages or maybe Owl's. Bottom line is that if the Muslim world actually cared about the Palestinians, they'd take them in...
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Why are TODAY'S liberals anti-semetic?

Because they are atheists, agnostics, humanists, new agers, etc...

None of them believe in the Judeo Christian God. Most disdain the concept completely.

The Jews are the absolute embodiment of everything they despise.

You are all ignoring the elephant in the room.
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(05-21-2018 06:31 PM)Claw Wrote:  Why are TODAY'S liberals anti-semetic?

Because they are atheists, agnostics, humanists, new agers, etc...

None of them believe in the Judeo Christian God. Most disdain the concept completely.

The Jews are the absolute embodiment of everything they despise.

You are all ignoring the elephant in the room.

And 54% jews are liberal and 60% voted for Hillary.
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(05-18-2018 09:02 AM)bullet Wrote:  https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opi...9b4e001d8e

Huff Post article. Author proves the 7th point of his "myths" is actually true with an incredibly slanted piece. "...Too often, however, the claim that “it’s complicated” functions as an excuse to sidestep a very simple reality: this is about the 70-year struggle of a people who have been expelled, murdered, robbed, imprisoned and occupied...." How anyone can write this about the Palestinians without acknowledging that far worse was done to the Jews justs proves they are anti-semetic.

As Jews are overwhelmingly Democratic, the only thing I can think of is liberals equate the Jews with "white privilege." Jews are all rich loan sharks in their minds.

The answer Bullet is a philosophical one. Liberals tend to be ideologues. In all forms of governance where there is a realistic tug on ideas which tend to lead toward compromise ideologues get frustrated. To them the concept they are pushing has to remain pure. They always envision a world which is totally inclusive, as long as those who are included totally buy into the vision provided for them by the dictator in charge of the idea. No compromise or deviation from the ideal is permitted. This is true in all communist countries, all fascist countries, and all countries which are racially pure (as China is currently striving to be).

Jews come in all hues. They have one common trait among all of their different practices of Judaism. They think for themselves and work as a group by arguing and adapting everything until some form of compromise is reached. The Knesset would put our House to shame in terms of discussion and wheeling and dealing for consensus. Since they can't be pigeonholed and can't be told what to do, all idealists see Israel and the Jewish people as a problem for any ideal solution to the world's problems. Want a bunch of Islamist fundamentalists to do your dirty work for revolution? Oppose the Jews. Want a group that has been successful at assimilating in every culture to use as a whipping boy for the disenfranchised and lazy? Blame the Jews! They tend to work hard and work together so they are an easy target for envy.

Most of the Jews who have taken up idealistic causes contrary to the interests of Israel, or their faith, are atheists and intellectuals who are again selling a perfect concept that has to have extreme force to make it come true. For them, absent a God, self is the only deity to be served. So they will take the tack of pursuing whatever ideology that makes them the most. In the U.S. that is corporate America which is pro profit and anti religion because it screws up business.

The simple truth is that Judaism is probably one of the more truly democratically practiced religions out there. They are very similar in structure and practice to what Baptists were before the fundamentalist/idealists took over the Southern Baptist wing of the church. So toss the Christian religious fanatics into the mix (a truly small but outspoken minority of Christians who are after political gain) and you get an odd mix of those who oppose Judaism. You have some of the religious right, except for the Messianic right which do a better job of keeping their eye on the prize, and the total left all agreeing that those who will not conform must go. So modern communists (far left) and Putin, a fan of Hitler (far right) agree on the Jewish question, especially if by opposing an ally of the U.S. they can win an advantage, like a Turkish warm water port for the Russian fleet. Get rid of Israel and you effectively get rid of the U.S. Military presence in the Middle East.

So the answer is bifurcated. On one hand Jewish people are individualists and refuse conformity to somebody else's vision of what they should be (which is why they have made good Americans, at least until American Corporations took over and found them to be a stalwart obstacle to PC which is good for Global business). And on the other hand any enemy of the U.S. is a friend of totalitarianism everywhere. So rail against Israel and build your constituency in the Aegean, Mediterranean, and Arab Gulfs. And that is still a resource rich area that feeds into Africa where Rhodium and Chromium deposits, and other rare minerals, are necessary for lightweight alloys for military use.
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(05-21-2018 06:36 PM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  
(05-21-2018 06:31 PM)Claw Wrote:  Why are TODAY'S liberals anti-semetic?

Because they are atheists, agnostics, humanists, new agers, etc...

None of them believe in the Judeo Christian God. Most disdain the concept completely.

The Jews are the absolute embodiment of everything they despise.

You are all ignoring the elephant in the room.

And 54% jews are liberal and 60% voted for Hillary.

I'm not sure what that means. How many of them are anti-semetic? We are not talking about them at all.
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