(05-21-2018 02:31 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  A large number of criminal cases involve informants. People see things happen and inform the authorities. Justice and the law are beyond the bounds of politics or they should be. Obviously they been for a while but they should be.
If one thinks this "spy" was in place to harm Trumps campaign, they failed miserably, dont you think!?
Again, why would one be worried about an informant or an associate "flipping" if there is no crime and nothing to hide? Smells fishy and I dont care about Clinton's or Obama's crimes AT THIS MOMENT. They should be dealt with accordingly, but if ANY of what it looks like Trump may be involved in is true, it poses a clear and present danger to our country.

I don't know for sure why a "spy" was there, it does not matter. If you have the party in power using the resources of the state to observe the opposition, you have a BIG problem.

I agree I don't care about Clinton or Obama or even what Trump may have done5 years ago. I care about the overreach of those in power.

The argument "if you have nothing to hide....." is TERRIBLE reasoning, and has led to massive overreach throughout history.

The accusation of what Trump "may have been involved in" does not matter. Do you want the Trump administration asserting that his next challenger "may have been involved in... (you pick whatever) so we are going to have the FBI and the DOJ monitor their campaign"

Please don't let your disgust of who Trump is and what he represents cloud your perspective on just how egregious this appears to be.

(05-21-2018 03:37 PM)Oman Wrote:  

(05-21-2018 02:31 PM)ragin4u Wrote:  A large number of criminal cases involve informants. People see things happen and inform the authorities. Justice and the law are beyond the bounds of politics or they should be. Obviously they been for a while but they should be.
If one thinks this "spy" was in place to harm Trumps campaign, they failed miserably, dont you think!?
Again, why would one be worried about an informant or an associate "flipping" if there is no crime and nothing to hide? Smells fishy and I dont care about Clinton's or Obama's crimes AT THIS MOMENT. They should be dealt with accordingly, but if ANY of what it looks like Trump may be involved in is true, it poses a clear and present danger to our country.

I don't know for sure why a "spy" was there, it does not matter. If you have the party in power using the resources of the state to observe the opposition, you have a BIG problem.

I agree I don't care about Clinton or Obama or even what Trump may have done5 years ago. I care about the overreach of those in power.

The argument "if you have nothing to hide....." is TERRIBLE reasoning, and has led to massive overreach throughout history.

The accusation of what Trump "may have been involved in" does not matter. Do you want the Trump administration asserting that his next challenger "may have been involved in... (you pick whatever) so we are going to have the FBI and the DOJ monitor their campaign"

Please don't let your disgust of who Trump is and what he represents cloud your perspective on just how egregious this appears to be.

The problem here is the ever increasing likelihood that these agent provocateurs hired and paid huge sums of money were within the Trump campaign for the very reason of manufacturing evidence to allow surveillance. Since the time time line for surveillance suggests this there should be a special council appointed to investigate. With the full power to convene a grand jury and indict. As the left is so apt to say, if there is no crime, why not?

(05-21-2018 01:33 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Hiding your crimes in plain view once it becomes obvious that they'll eventually come out isn't going to work.

tick tock

you sir, yes sir....

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