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FAU gave feds false numbers on gender equality report
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Quote:Florida Atlantic University reported false numbers to the government, exaggerating how many women played for its sports teams, just a year after it ranked among the worst in the country for female representation in sports.

In 2016, women represented more than half of the Boca Raton school’s enrollment but only 31 percent of its athletes. The percentage was the lowest of all 127 schools participating in the highest level of college sports.

Just one year later, FAU claimed it had erased its female participation gap. It told the U.S. Department of Education in 2017 that 51 percent of its athletes were women.

But the 20 percentage-point increase was based on an inflated number, The Palm Beach Post has found. To arrive at the higher percentage, FAU counted dozens of women athletes who did not exist.
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Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.
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(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.

What about fencing, badminton and perhaps shooting? All things that we also have facilities for, are low cost, and fit well with local/Rice/Texas and international demographics? I agree on golf though that's an off campus event, but I wonder if water polo would interfere with swimming?


That said, there is a 'loophole' within Title IX that has to do with 'demand for the sport' that allows you to be somewhat out of compliance. not 20 points out... but out... I think Badminton in particular (unless things have changed a lot) has demonstrably more interest from women on campus than almost anything else. I also feel like these are sports that could increase our visibility through the Olympics fairly quickly. Volleyball and Water Polo seem to have substantial investments from other schools already
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(05-18-2018 04:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.

What about fencing, badminton and perhaps shooting? All things that we also have facilities for, are low cost, and fit well with local/Rice/Texas and international demographics? I agree on golf though that's an off campus event, but I wonder if water polo would interfere with swimming?


That said, there is a 'loophole' within Title IX that has to do with 'demand for the sport' that allows you to be somewhat out of compliance. not 20 points out... but out... I think Badminton in particular (unless things have changed a lot) has demonstrably more interest from women on campus than almost anything else. I also feel like these are sports that could increase our visibility through the Olympics fairly quickly. Volleyball and Water Polo seem to have substantial investments from other schools already

NCAA dropped Badminton as an Emerging Sport a few years, so that wouldn't be an option. Right now it only exists as a club sport I believe.

Rugby, Lacrosse, or Field Hockey would be other options.
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(05-18-2018 04:11 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.

What about fencing, badminton and perhaps shooting? All things that we also have facilities for, are low cost, and fit well with local/Rice/Texas and international demographics? I agree on golf though that's an off campus event, but I wonder if water polo would interfere with swimming?


That said, there is a 'loophole' within Title IX that has to do with 'demand for the sport' that allows you to be somewhat out of compliance. not 20 points out... but out... I think Badminton in particular (unless things have changed a lot) has demonstrably more interest from women on campus than almost anything else. I also feel like these are sports that could increase our visibility through the Olympics fairly quickly. Volleyball and Water Polo seem to have substantial investments from other schools already

NCAA dropped Badminton as an Emerging Sport a few years, so that wouldn't be an option. Right now it only exists as a club sport I believe.

Rugby, Lacrosse, or Field Hockey would be other options.
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Golf would be an easy add and probably lowest cost of anything else.
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(05-18-2018 04:30 PM)OwlSquared Wrote:  NCAA dropped Badminton as an Emerging Sport a few years, so that wouldn't be an option. Right now it only exists as a club sport I believe.

Rugby, Lacrosse, or Field Hockey would be other options.

Well that stinks... thanks for the info.

The sports you mention require a fair amount of green space. I don't know their seasons to know if they could easily share other facilities, but it seems that would be the key.

(05-18-2018 04:38 PM)flash3200 Wrote:  Golf would be an easy add and probably lowest cost of anything else.

or shooting/fencing maybe even bowling if we still have the lanes and that's still an ncaa sport
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(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.

Speaking of water polo, the club team is featured on the cover of the latest Rice magazine, which just arrived (at my house, at least) this week.

The coach is Rick Merlo, dean of the School of Social Sciences, and former member of the Italian youth national team!

http://magazine.rice.edu/2018/04/in-the-zone/

Quote:After spending two full seasons coaching the men, who play during the fall, and a season and half with the women, whose spring season is still ongoing, Merlo has gotten bigger ideas for Rice water polo — he would like to take Rice’s club program to the varsity level. If this were to happen, Rice would have the only Division I varsity water polo program in the state of Texas. Merlo sees the teams competing against Ivy League teams. Furthermore, because of his connections in the water polo community, particularly from his time at Penn, Merlo has already secured a place for Rice in the Ivy League along with Harvard, Brown and Princeton. This is the key selling point for Merlo — Rice would have a chance to compete with the Ivies in athletics as well as in the classroom.
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Bowling is 5 scholarships, fencing 5, and rifle is 3.6 (but teams can be co-ed).
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(05-18-2018 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ... maybe even bowling if we still have the lanes ...

Did Rice ever have any on-campus bowling lanes?
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Isn't gender just an artificial construct imposed upon the innocent by the ruling class? Isn't the correct question here what did the FAU athletes consider themselves to be?
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(05-18-2018 04:51 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 04:43 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  ... maybe even bowling if we still have the lanes ...

Did Rice ever have any on-campus bowling lanes?


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Rowing, with 20 scholarships allowed for women, would be the best choice to even up the numbers.
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(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.
NCAA dictates how many schollies per sport and how these grants may be divided. Social engineering, yes, fair no. A generation ago, 1999 Rice dropped men’s swimming as ‘addition by subtraction’ helped the artificial compliance % (the Education Department’s safe harbor for title IX compliance.). A year later women’s (and only women’s) soccer was added by the athletic department.

The cynic in me would suggest we drop another men’s sport (T&F?) as we have already reached a tipping point. The optimist says add all sports that students have an interest in (another way for Title IX compliance, interest surveys and offering those sports.)
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(05-19-2018 08:36 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.
NCAA dictates how many schollies per sport and how these grants may be divided. Social engineering, yes, fair no. A generation ago, 1999 Rice dropped men’s swimming as ‘addition by subtraction’ helped the artificial compliance % (the Education Department’s safe harbor for title IX compliance.). A year later women’s (and only women’s) soccer was added by the athletic department.

The cynic in me would suggest we drop another men’s sport (T&F?) as we have already reached a tipping point. The optimist says add all sports that students have an interest in (another way for Title IX compliance, interest surveys and offering those sports.)

Dropping men's track and field would knock Rice out of Division I because track and field is really 3 sports in one (cross country, indoor track and field, outdoor track and field). To remain in Division I, a school must sponsor 7 men's sports and 7 women's sports (or 6 men's and 8 women's). Without men's track and field, Rice would be down to just 5 men's sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis and golf).
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(05-19-2018 08:36 AM)exowlswimmer Wrote:  
(05-18-2018 03:21 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  Rice never has been fully Title IX compliant. Approximately 57% of scholarship money at Rice goes to male athletes, a number larger than the percentage of males among the total student population. Adding golf (6) and water polo (8) would bring the university closer to compliance without the necessity of building new facilities.
NCAA dictates how many schollies per sport and how these grants may be divided. Social engineering, yes, fair no. A generation ago, 1999 Rice dropped men’s swimming as ‘addition by subtraction’ helped the artificial compliance % (the Education Department’s safe harbor for title IX compliance.). A year later women’s (and only women’s) soccer was added by the athletic department.

The cynic in me would suggest we drop another men’s sport (T&F?) as we have already reached a tipping point. The optimist says add all sports that students have an interest in (another way for Title IX compliance, interest surveys and offering those sports.)

Dropping men's track and field would knock Rice out of Division I because track and field is really 3 sports in one (cross country, indoor track and field, outdoor track and field). To remain in Division I, a school must sponsor 7 men's sports and 7 women's sports (or 6 men's and 8 women's). Without men's track and field, Rice would be down to just 5 men's sports (football, basketball, baseball, tennis and golf).
Exactly, of course we could add an underfunded non scholarship D1 swimming team and meet the min, just saying. Not a real option but points to how ludicrous the title IX enforcement interpretations are.
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