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Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Obviously a real academic mess for Penny and his staff coming in. Just hoping the two transfers this summer left with GPAs that don't drop us below 930. According to Giannotto the 934 is the lowest Academic Progress Rate since 2005 - 06.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 05:08 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.

I might be wrong but it looks like two of those year belong to Tubby and two to Pastner. Both had more than a reasonable number of transfers imo.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Blame Tubby.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
I don't understand it...

Unless guys who are transferring are like F' it for the last semester they are here and post very low grades.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Here's the CA article, but it doesn't say much. https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...637668002/

So it looks like we survived the 6-transfers out at the end of the '16-'17 school year. Don't we all just really want to know if men's hoops is in danger of falling under the 930 for this school year? Or next? Seems like Mark G. or someone could dig into the APR rules and make a reasonable projection.

Maybe someone on this board could. Our problem is retention, not grades. But also if Dedric and KJ, for example, graduate on schedule at Kansas, then I think Memphis gets back some retention points.

One other thought - once the Rice commission loosens the player transfer rules, and we get even more transfers, more schools will be in danger of falling under 930 using the current multi-year APR format.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
If your most recent two years are at or above 970 then you are exempt from the 4 year rolling average. However, it sounds like our two most recent years are below 970...
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 08:59 AM)Tigx Wrote:  Here's the CA article, but it doesn't say much. https://www.commercialappeal.com/story/s...637668002/

So it looks like we survived the 6-transfers out at the end of the '16-'17 school year. Don't we all just really want to know if men's hoops is in danger of falling under the 930 for this school year? Or next? Seems like Mark G. or someone could dig into the APR rules and make a reasonable projection.

Maybe someone on this board could. Our problem is retention, not grades. But also if Dedric and KJ, for example, graduate on schedule at Kansas, then I think Memphis gets back some retention points.

One other thought - once the Rice commission loosens the player transfer rules, and we get even more transfers, more schools will be in danger of falling under 930 using the current multi-year APR format.

Retention is not an issue if the players make decent grades...

The GPA bar is set higher for not being negatively affected by transfers than it is for returners so that could be the issue
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Just heard Jonah Jordan on 92.9:
- Not ideal, but not as disastrous as once thought
- JC holdovers are good students
- all student athletes coming in are good students
- Other things that can help
1. Bringing back former Tigers to finish up and graduate (like Omar Sneed, Billy Richmond and Deuce Ford)
2. Players who have transferred out to D1 schools remain in good academic standing and graduate (the Lawson's, Keon Clergeot, etc.)
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 09:52 AM)airric2255 Wrote:  Just heard Jonah Jordan on 92.9:
- Not ideal, but not as disastrous as once thought
- JC holdovers are good students
- all student athletes coming in are good students
- Other things that can help
1. Bringing back former Tigers to finish up and graduate (like Omar Sneed, Billy Richmond and Deuce Ford)
2. Players who have transferred out to D1 schools remain in good academic standing and graduate (the Lawson's, Keon Clergeot, etc.)

The calculations of APR are somewhat mysterious.
  • Each player can earn up to two points for APR
  • You get one point for being in good academic standing
  • You get one point for remaining in school or graduating
  • If a player leaves a program then you get anywhere from 0-2 points; 0 if he drops out in poor academic standing, 1 if he transfers or goes to the NBA in good academic standing, 2 if he transfers and his GPA is above 2.5.
  • The mysterious part is that you can get points if a player transfers with a GPA below 2.5 and that player graduates. I think you get the point back that you missed on.
  • You can certainly get points back if former players come back to graduate.

I actually expected our APR to be a little lower on this year. Should be fine unless we have some boo boos this year.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Get these guys on the North Carolina regimen...
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 11:17 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  Get these guys on the North Carolina regimen...

North Carolina's APR:
2010-11 980
2011-12 975
2012-13 975
2013-14 976
2014-15 975
2015-16 975
2016-17 981

They are really good cheaters.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 08:40 AM)cmt Wrote:  Blame Tubby.

The mass transfer exodus is largely on Tubby.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 11:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 08:40 AM)cmt Wrote:  Blame Tubby.

The mass transfer exodus is largely on Tubby.

Ultimately it is Tubbys fault, but if UK is not in trouble and they seem to turn over 50% of their roster a year we should be fine as well. Head coach just needs to make sure he gets kids to go to class...Well going to class is the ideal...The real solution is make sure he gets kids the grades they need.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
Tubby’s transfer rant makes more sense now.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 06:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 05:08 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.

I might be wrong but it looks like two of those year belong to Tubby and two to Pastner. Both had more than a reasonable number of transfers imo.

This is based on the rosters from Pastner's last 3 years, and Tubby's first year. Last year and the transfers from it (Lawsons, et al) are still to come.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 01:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 06:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 05:08 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.

I might be wrong but it looks like two of those year belong to Tubby and two to Pastner. Both had more than a reasonable number of transfers imo.

This is based on the rosters from Pastner's last 3 years, and Tubby's first year. Last year and the transfers from it (Lawsons, et al) are still to come.

Lawsons should positively affect the number...

I know Nick Marshall negatively affected the number and likely Nickelberry did as well. I have no idea what type of student Rhodes or Johnson were.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 01:28 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 01:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 06:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 05:08 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.

I might be wrong but it looks like two of those year belong to Tubby and two to Pastner. Both had more than a reasonable number of transfers imo.

This is based on the rosters from Pastner's last 3 years, and Tubby's first year. Last year and the transfers from it (Lawsons, et al) are still to come.

Lawsons should positively affect the number...

I know Nick Marshall negatively affected the number and likely Nickelberry did as well. I have no idea what type of student Rhodes or Johnson were.

I believe Nickelberry and Rhodes hurt more than JJ as they didn't transfer to D1 schools. I know Nickelberry went JC, unsure where Malik Rhodes ended up.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 01:25 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 06:05 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 05:08 AM)AlonsoWDC Wrote:  On the bright side, APR rates for every other program are either at the DI average or well above it

Thank you, Pastner.

I might be wrong but it looks like two of those year belong to Tubby and two to Pastner. Both had more than a reasonable number of transfers imo.

This is based on the rosters from Pastner's last 3 years, and Tubby's first year. Last year and the transfers from it (Lawsons, et al) are still to come.

Are you sure about that '87? My impressions was the '17 transfers were accounted for already.
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RE: Basketball APR for 2013 - 17 is 934. Below 930 means probation.
(05-24-2018 11:55 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote:  
(05-24-2018 08:40 AM)cmt Wrote:  Blame Tubby.

The mass transfer exodus is largely on Tubby.

Nah, this one is on Pastner. If I'm counting correctly, these scores are based upon 29 players from the years 2013-17; 25 of them are Pastner's recruits.

10 of these 29 players transferred out. 7 of the 10 transferred out under Pastner. All you have of Tubby is year 1, which was the transition year and nothing unusual.

We still have the mass exodus in Tubby year 2 to come, along with the transition year turnover for Penny.
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