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What if bidders come out of the woodwork for the Big 12?
The news from Comcast had me thinking...

Along with rumors about entities like Amazon perhaps being interested in sports in the future...

What if an entity other than ESPN or FOX comes out and bids high dollar on the Big 12 in the next few years?

I theorized about Comcast/NBC the other day as they already have an infrastructure to make it work. They also have a partnership with Netflix that could bring both cash and exposure to the table for any sports league that goes all in with the company. Think about a Big 12 game of the week being on NBC with a couple more games on NBCSN and perhaps one or two on a network like USA depending on the schedule that week.

Do the Big 12 powers that be smell the rose or turn their noses up?

What would it take for ESPN to convince the Big 12 to go another route? Would it simply be more money or a more favorable structure along with it?

I think in the end, the Big 12 is still valuable content even if FOX and ESPN did overpay for them last time around.

What if the bidders come out of the woodwork in the next few years and shake up everyone's plans? The Big 12 may not be dead yet as long as multiple bidders get into the mix.

The kicker is this...

The powers that be in the Big 12 probably already have contact with representatives from several entities. They'll know to some degree whether it's wise to wait and cash in later or perhaps allow ESPN to break them up in the interim.
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RE: What if bidders come out of the woodwork for the Big 12?
(05-25-2018 04:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The news from Comcast had me thinking...

Along with rumors about entities like Amazon perhaps being interested in sports in the future...

What if an entity other than ESPN or FOX comes out and bids high dollar on the Big 12 in the next few years?

I theorized about Comcast/NBC the other day as they already have an infrastructure to make it work. They also have a partnership with Netflix that could bring both cash and exposure to the table for any sports league that goes all in with the company. Think about a Big 12 game of the week being on NBC with a couple more games on NBCSN and perhaps one or two on a network like USA depending on the schedule that week.

Do the Big 12 powers that be smell the rose or turn their noses up?

What would it take for ESPN to convince the Big 12 to go another route? Would it simply be more money or a more favorable structure along with it?

I think in the end, the Big 12 is still valuable content even if FOX and ESPN did overpay for them last time around.

What if the bidders come out of the woodwork in the next few years and shake up everyone's plans? The Big 12 may not be dead yet as long as multiple bidders get into the mix.

The kicker is this...

The powers that be in the Big 12 probably already have contact with representatives from several entities. They'll know to some degree whether it's wise to wait and cash in later or perhaps allow ESPN to break them up in the interim.

This is a distinct possibility. We'll have to wait and see if ESPN tries to move early because of this because if they don't the bidding will go higher. ESPN could try to keep the overhead down by offering concessions on placement of buddies, etc.

But there is something else out there that may cause the Big 12 to dig in like a tick. The average payout of the ACC at 26.6 million per school. That means the Big 12 is 7.7 million ahead on average before you even figure in the T3 revenue which runs from under 3 million per school to the whopping 15 million that Texas gets.

If I'm Texas and Oklahoma I ignore the PAC, ignore the Big 10, ignore the SEC and look for the biggest paycheck in 2024 that I can get for the Big 12 and try to outdistance the ACC even more. Why? Because if the ACCN isn't the salvation of that conference then there will be possibilities by 2035. Do you guys really think that Clemson and Florida State officials love the idea that Iowa State out earned Clemson by 4 million this past year and that doesn't include ISU's T3 revenue. Do you think F.S.U. officials liked having Iowa State outearn them by 7 million plus T3?

As I've said here before time, economic disparity and the pressure of falling farther behind will eventually do its work.

Now if Texas and Oklahoma are impatient there could be movement. Even if one of them blinks the Big 12 could still blow up. But if I'm the Horns and I'm watching the ACC's monetary woes I wait. Particularly with more economic disparity brewing out Left.

Oh, and 1 more thing. Getting the ACC cable ready also would make it easier to move them later on.
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RE: What if bidders come out of the woodwork for the Big 12?
(05-25-2018 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 04:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The news from Comcast had me thinking...

Along with rumors about entities like Amazon perhaps being interested in sports in the future...

What if an entity other than ESPN or FOX comes out and bids high dollar on the Big 12 in the next few years?

I theorized about Comcast/NBC the other day as they already have an infrastructure to make it work. They also have a partnership with Netflix that could bring both cash and exposure to the table for any sports league that goes all in with the company. Think about a Big 12 game of the week being on NBC with a couple more games on NBCSN and perhaps one or two on a network like USA depending on the schedule that week.

Do the Big 12 powers that be smell the rose or turn their noses up?

What would it take for ESPN to convince the Big 12 to go another route? Would it simply be more money or a more favorable structure along with it?

I think in the end, the Big 12 is still valuable content even if FOX and ESPN did overpay for them last time around.

What if the bidders come out of the woodwork in the next few years and shake up everyone's plans? The Big 12 may not be dead yet as long as multiple bidders get into the mix.

The kicker is this...

The powers that be in the Big 12 probably already have contact with representatives from several entities. They'll know to some degree whether it's wise to wait and cash in later or perhaps allow ESPN to break them up in the interim.

This is a distinct possibility. We'll have to wait and see if ESPN tries to move early because of this because if they don't the bidding will go higher. ESPN could try to keep the overhead down by offering concessions on placement of buddies, etc.

But there is something else out there that may cause the Big 12 to dig in like a tick. The average payout of the ACC at 26.6 million per school. That means the Big 12 is 7.7 million ahead on average before you even figure in the T3 revenue which runs from under 3 million per school to the whopping 15 million that Texas gets.

If I'm Texas and Oklahoma I ignore the PAC, ignore the Big 10, ignore the SEC and look for the biggest paycheck in 2024 that I can get for the Big 12 and try to outdistance the ACC even more. Why? Because if the ACCN isn't the salvation of that conference then there will be possibilities by 2035. Do you guys really think that Clemson and Florida State officials love the idea that Iowa State out earned Clemson by 4 million this past year and that doesn't include ISU's T3 revenue. Do you think F.S.U. officials liked having Iowa State outearn them by 7 million plus T3?

As I've said here before time, economic disparity and the pressure of falling farther behind will eventually do its work.

Now if Texas and Oklahoma are impatient there could be movement. Even if one of them blinks the Big 12 could still blow up. But if I'm the Horns and I'm watching the ACC's monetary woes I wait. Particularly with more economic disparity brewing out Left.

Oh, and 1 more thing. Getting the ACC cable ready also would make it easier to move them later on.

If FSU and Clemson do look to move, I’m sure the SEC will listen or make a sales pitch; that’s too much content multiplication and fanbase size to ignore.
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RE: What if bidders come out of the woodwork for the Big 12?
(05-25-2018 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 04:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The news from Comcast had me thinking...

Along with rumors about entities like Amazon perhaps being interested in sports in the future...

What if an entity other than ESPN or FOX comes out and bids high dollar on the Big 12 in the next few years?

I theorized about Comcast/NBC the other day as they already have an infrastructure to make it work. They also have a partnership with Netflix that could bring both cash and exposure to the table for any sports league that goes all in with the company. Think about a Big 12 game of the week being on NBC with a couple more games on NBCSN and perhaps one or two on a network like USA depending on the schedule that week.

Do the Big 12 powers that be smell the rose or turn their noses up?

What would it take for ESPN to convince the Big 12 to go another route? Would it simply be more money or a more favorable structure along with it?

I think in the end, the Big 12 is still valuable content even if FOX and ESPN did overpay for them last time around.

What if the bidders come out of the woodwork in the next few years and shake up everyone's plans? The Big 12 may not be dead yet as long as multiple bidders get into the mix.

The kicker is this...

The powers that be in the Big 12 probably already have contact with representatives from several entities. They'll know to some degree whether it's wise to wait and cash in later or perhaps allow ESPN to break them up in the interim.

This is a distinct possibility. We'll have to wait and see if ESPN tries to move early because of this because if they don't the bidding will go higher. ESPN could try to keep the overhead down by offering concessions on placement of buddies, etc.

But there is something else out there that may cause the Big 12 to dig in like a tick. The average payout of the ACC at 26.6 million per school. That means the Big 12 is 7.7 million ahead on average before you even figure in the T3 revenue which runs from under 3 million per school to the whopping 15 million that Texas gets.

If I'm Texas and Oklahoma I ignore the PAC, ignore the Big 10, ignore the SEC and look for the biggest paycheck in 2024 that I can get for the Big 12 and try to outdistance the ACC even more. Why? Because if the ACCN isn't the salvation of that conference then there will be possibilities by 2035. Do you guys really think that Clemson and Florida State officials love the idea that Iowa State out earned Clemson by 4 million this past year and that doesn't include ISU's T3 revenue. Do you think F.S.U. officials liked having Iowa State outearn them by 7 million plus T3?

As I've said here before time, economic disparity and the pressure of falling farther behind will eventually do its work.

Now if Texas and Oklahoma are impatient there could be movement. Even if one of them blinks the Big 12 could still blow up. But if I'm the Horns and I'm watching the ACC's monetary woes I wait. Particularly with more economic disparity brewing out Left.

Oh, and 1 more thing. Getting the ACC cable ready also would make it easier to move them later on.

Outside of West Virginia, the Big 12 schools occupy a fairly compact region.

Now, there's the downside that really only the state of TX is a demographic bonanza. The upside is that travel isn't too bad right now and these schools are already quite familiar with each other. This is why I think there would have to be some structural advantage offered in exchange for leaving early.

Would they go for having the league split essentially between 2 other conferences if they can get competitive money by sticking together? Not SEC or B1G money, but a decent bump and maybe an improved Tier 3 structure. And you bring up the potentiality of acquiring ACC schools one day so that's an extra layer of incentive.

With ESPN owning the LHN, that should play heavily into Texas' thinking and posturing. With that said, I don't think ESPN is really in a position nor are they willing to force Texas to do something they don't want to do. Texas wants to play OU and some other TX schools on a regular basis so if the money's right then they've already got that.

If I was gambling, I'd still say the Big 12 breaks up because things have been so chaotic and UT/OU could find a lot more money elsewhere. That and KU's scramble to upgrade their football program would indicate a sense of precariousness although I guess it's possible there's an internal strategy to make the Big 12 product as good as it could possibly be in order to provide security later.

I would agree though that the ACC is still vulnerable on some level. I would think their network will give them a solid boost, but there are reasons their 1st and 2nd Tier weren't worth as much as others.

I think an important aspect of this is the "content theory" I was talking about the other day. Different types of content represent different niches just as different schools represent different markets. If a network like ESPN is trying to make a conference network go or a streaming platform successful then their best bet is to cover as many bases as they can. Grab a little bit of this and a little bit of that and bundle it together. Same reason a company like Walmart or Amazon is successful by offering a large variety of products under one roof for a cheap price.

We should consider this...do ACC schools have more to gain by allowing themselves to be split or do Big 12 schools have more to gain by doing it? Right now, I'd have to say it's the former.

ESPN has committed to the course of providing an ACC Network even though it's a questionable investment in the long term. ESPN wants Notre Dame...ESPN has secured a greater partnership with Texas...a lot of groundwork has been laid and a lot of juggling has occurred and it's not really clear what the path forward is despite all the heavy lifting that's been done thus far.

Perhaps that's why we haven't heard anything? Each power player has enough leverage to demand what they want at this time and place?
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(05-26-2018 01:31 AM)murrdcu Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 08:58 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(05-25-2018 04:56 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The news from Comcast had me thinking...

Along with rumors about entities like Amazon perhaps being interested in sports in the future...

What if an entity other than ESPN or FOX comes out and bids high dollar on the Big 12 in the next few years?

I theorized about Comcast/NBC the other day as they already have an infrastructure to make it work. They also have a partnership with Netflix that could bring both cash and exposure to the table for any sports league that goes all in with the company. Think about a Big 12 game of the week being on NBC with a couple more games on NBCSN and perhaps one or two on a network like USA depending on the schedule that week.

Do the Big 12 powers that be smell the rose or turn their noses up?

What would it take for ESPN to convince the Big 12 to go another route? Would it simply be more money or a more favorable structure along with it?

I think in the end, the Big 12 is still valuable content even if FOX and ESPN did overpay for them last time around.

What if the bidders come out of the woodwork in the next few years and shake up everyone's plans? The Big 12 may not be dead yet as long as multiple bidders get into the mix.

The kicker is this...

The powers that be in the Big 12 probably already have contact with representatives from several entities. They'll know to some degree whether it's wise to wait and cash in later or perhaps allow ESPN to break them up in the interim.

This is a distinct possibility. We'll have to wait and see if ESPN tries to move early because of this because if they don't the bidding will go higher. ESPN could try to keep the overhead down by offering concessions on placement of buddies, etc.

But there is something else out there that may cause the Big 12 to dig in like a tick. The average payout of the ACC at 26.6 million per school. That means the Big 12 is 7.7 million ahead on average before you even figure in the T3 revenue which runs from under 3 million per school to the whopping 15 million that Texas gets.

If I'm Texas and Oklahoma I ignore the PAC, ignore the Big 10, ignore the SEC and look for the biggest paycheck in 2024 that I can get for the Big 12 and try to outdistance the ACC even more. Why? Because if the ACCN isn't the salvation of that conference then there will be possibilities by 2035. Do you guys really think that Clemson and Florida State officials love the idea that Iowa State out earned Clemson by 4 million this past year and that doesn't include ISU's T3 revenue. Do you think F.S.U. officials liked having Iowa State outearn them by 7 million plus T3?

As I've said here before time, economic disparity and the pressure of falling farther behind will eventually do its work.

Now if Texas and Oklahoma are impatient there could be movement. Even if one of them blinks the Big 12 could still blow up. But if I'm the Horns and I'm watching the ACC's monetary woes I wait. Particularly with more economic disparity brewing out Left.

Oh, and 1 more thing. Getting the ACC cable ready also would make it easier to move them later on.

If FSU and Clemson do look to move, I’m sure the SEC will listen or make a sales pitch; that’s too much content multiplication and fanbase size to ignore.

Back in the old days, Mr. SEC pitched the idea that the SEC should add UNC, NC State, Duke, Virginia, Virginia Tech, and Pittsburgh.

Seems a little odd at first, but I think it makes a lot of sense actually.

The Mid-Atlantic schools are so many in number that their voting block can kill certain moves. They want to stay together so just keep them together, but putting them in the SEC makes everyone more money.

The SEC has already tapped Texas and the Midwest. Give them control over the Mid-Atlantic along with a little slice of the Northeast and you're fulfilling the "content theory." A little slice of this and a little slice of that...

As far as ESPN is concerned, that's about as valuable a product as you could create for yourself with regard to it's ability to be marketed. By contrast, adding Texas and Oklahoma would make the SEC so strong that you could never really control them ever again.

You could then use UT and OU as the cornerstone for a new product that is also quite valuable with regard to marketing. Florida State, Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson, Louisville, and one more would make the Big 12 a ratings bonanza with access to multiple regions in their own right.

ESPN could use schools like Notre Dame and Boston College to appease the Big Ten.
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