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(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.

I remember the first time Georgia State made the NCAA Tournament in basketball. USA Today did a capsule summary of every school in and the summary included season ticket costs, except for Georgia State, the school didn't even offer a season ticket package.

There is no question that for a long time it was one of the absolutely worst managed athletic departments and didn't make a decent case for Division I membership.

I didn't like the addition but they've gotten serious and are much better run.
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(05-29-2018 12:02 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.


It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.

Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).


They still lose to FCS teams. Last year, they lost to Tennessee State. An HBCU university. They have not improved. They did not deserved any bowl bids.
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(05-29-2018 05:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.

It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.

Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).

They still lose to FCS teams. Last year, they lost to Tennessee State. An HBCU university. They have not improved. They did not deserved any bowl bids.

You're right; Georgia State did not deserve a bowl bid, instead they did better and EARNED it based on the rules set by the NCAA. The one thing NCAA football has done right is have minimum standard for postseason play and nowhere does it say that a FBS can't lose to a FCS. I guess you have ignored the facts that APP, stAte, and GS have also lost to FCS teams in the last 5 years. Or, did you conveniently ignore that because they did not lose to a HBCU team.

You continue to emphasize the point when a HBCU team wins as if they are not allowed to win a game against a non-HBCU.

(12-01-2017 09:47 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Man. that is bad if you lose to a HBCU like that.

Why can't you say "Georgia State lost to a FCS team" and stop there? To rephrase a line from a NCAA ad "schools don't play sports, teams do". Statements like these are quite concerning.
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(05-29-2018 05:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 12:02 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.

It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.

Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).


They still lose to FCS teams. Last year, they lost to Tennessee State. An HBCU university. They have not improved. They did not deserved any bowl bids.

They also beat two CUSA teams, one in said bowl game.
Are you advocating for UNLV to leave FBS? They lost to an HBCU.
What about Charlotte? They lost to an HBCU.
Kent State? Lost to an HBCU in 2016.
North Texas? They had to score late in 2015 to avoid a 66-0 shut-out to an FCS.
In 2016 Washington State lost to an FCS and went to a bowl

And for the record, TV market really wasn't a major factor. Georgia State got the Sun Belt in a major recruiting field and Olympic sports flying often go through Atlanta on the way to their destination. Georgia State was considered to be a "down the road" addition but the CAA's decision to consider a huge increase in the departure penalty caused the Sun Belt to move sooner to invite before the CAA had a chance to vote on the proposal.

Had the CAA left things as they were, they might have retained Georgia State longer and Ron Hunter's success coaching might have made Georgia State more inclined to stay in the CAA to build basketball.
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(05-29-2018 10:50 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 05:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 12:02 AM)AZcats Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.

It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.

Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).


They still lose to FCS teams. Last year, they lost to Tennessee State. An HBCU university. They have not improved. They did not deserved any bowl bids.

They also beat two CUSA teams, one in said bowl game.
Are you advocating for UNLV to leave FBS? They lost to an HBCU.
What about Charlotte? They lost to an HBCU.
Kent State? Lost to an HBCU in 2016.
North Texas? They had to score late in 2015 to avoid a 66-0 shut-out to an FCS.
In 2016 Washington State lost to an FCS and went to a bowl

And for the record, TV market really wasn't a major factor. Georgia State got the Sun Belt in a major recruiting field and Olympic sports flying often go through Atlanta on the way to their destination. Georgia State was considered to be a "down the road" addition but the CAA's decision to consider a huge increase in the departure penalty caused the Sun Belt to move sooner to invite before the CAA had a chance to vote on the proposal.

Had the CAA left things as they were, they might have retained Georgia State longer and Ron Hunter's success coaching might have made Georgia State more inclined to stay in the CAA to build basketball.

I can't find it offhand but it's been said that had the CAA commissioner known that Georgia State was starting football, they wouldn't have invited them. I don't know if that's legit or simply a reaction to them leaving for the Sun Belt shortly after, but my uneducated guess is that Georgia State didn't start football to be a long-term CAA member.
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Not an informed post on the state of the Metro Atlantic. Of the 9 long-time members, you're putting 5 of them on this list and the only 3 you're leaving off are the ones who've invested the least into basketball? I'd worry about St. Peter's, Rider, and Niagara far before any of the others you did name.
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Georgia State wasn't ready for FBS when they joined the Sun Belt. They were hardly ready for FCS football. That's no secret. But the thread is titled "D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division." Georgia State bought and re-purposed an MLB stadium for 300M in private corporate donations. They aren't in financial trouble. Currently, their athletic budget is about 75% subsidized by student fees, but recent legislation in Georgia has forced them to reduce that to 60%. That's about all the financial difficulty they are having currently.

Also, it's doubtful that Georgia Southern would have been in a hurry to leave the FCS had Georgia State not announced their intentions to move up. That's why Georgia State was invited first. The Sun Belt was looking to follow CUSA's model and add start ups in market cities. Georgia State, a founding member of the SBC in 1976, made it no secret that they wanted to be in the FBS. Georgia Southern announced our intentions to move up literal hours after Georgia State announced they had accepted an invitation to the Sun Belt. Before that, our administration was content to be behemoths in the FCS playoffs every year. We even forced the resignation of our AD who was a strong advocate to remain FCS. Georgia Southern would announce our acceptance of an offer to join the Sun Belt less than a year later.

TL;DR without Georgia State lighting a fire under our ass and making us decide we actually did want FBS football, we would have kept fighting NDSU in the Who's The Tallest Midget Contest.
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(05-29-2018 12:41 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Georgia State wasn't ready for FBS when they joined the Sun Belt. They were hardly ready for FCS football. That's no secret. But the thread is titled "D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division." Georgia State bought and re-purposed an MLB stadium for 300M in private corporate donations. They aren't in financial trouble. Currently, their athletic budget is about 75% subsidized by student fees, but recent legislation in Georgia has forced them to reduce that to 60%. That's about all the financial difficulty they are having currently.

Also, it's doubtful that Georgia Southern would have been in a hurry to leave the FCS had Georgia State not announced their intentions to move up. That's why Georgia State was invited first. The Sun Belt was looking to follow CUSA's model and add start ups in market cities. Georgia State, a founding member of the SBC in 1976, made it no secret that they wanted to be in the FBS. Georgia Southern announced our intentions to move up literal hours after Georgia State announced they had accepted an invitation to the Sun Belt. Before that, our administration was content to be behemoths in the FCS playoffs every year. We even forced the resignation of our AD who was a strong advocate to remain FCS. Georgia Southern would announce our acceptance of an offer to join the Sun Belt less than a year later.

TL;DR without Georgia State lighting a fire under our ass and making us decide we actually did want FBS football, we would have kept fighting NDSU in the Who's The Tallest Midget Contest.

Excellent observation. That point has been lost in this entire thread. He lures us in expecting to talk about finances then uses a hundred reasons for schools to drop including "they lost to a FCS team." His typical D2 call-up was also included. In a thread that proposes schools to move down due to a financial burden he still advocates D2 schools to move up.
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(05-28-2018 05:59 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Don’t forget the Centenary Gents who dropped down. Shreveport private who played in a cool ....

They still play in the geodesic Gold Dome.
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(05-28-2018 03:49 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  We have 2 D1 schools that dropped down a division in the last several years.
Savannah State and Winston-Salem State

There are others that are in the process in re-evaluating their schools if they should find a new conference or dropped down, or deeply in heavy debt because of a corrupt administration. There are rumors that La Salle will try and get into the Patriot League or dropped down to D3 altogether. Here is a list that I think should find a new home in the future.

Alabama A&M they have to battle UAH for students in the same city and suburbs.
Alcorn State
UAPB
Canisius northeast private schools are in trouble. The northeast is overcrowded with small privates as it is than any other parts of the country.
Chicago State
Coppin State
Delaware State
Detroit Mercy
Eastern Michigan to FCS, this might get some D2 public Michigan schools to think FCS for all sports to move up.
Fairfield
Gardner Webb
Georgia State was not ready for FBS.
Coastal Carolina another school not ready for prime time.
Grambling State
Houston Baptist is behind Texas A&M, Houston, Rice and Texas Southern.
Howard could join District of Columbia at D2.
Iona
Jacksonville screams to be with University of Tampa.
Kent State FCS
La Salle
La.-Monroe not FBS level of spending.
Loyola Maryland
Manhattan
Marist
Maryland-Eastern Shore
Miami Ohio FCS
Mississippi Valley State'
UMKC
Mount St. Mary's
New Orleans
Nicholls State
Norfolk State
Charlotte not primetime ready at FBS.
NW. La. State
Oakland
Oral Roberts
Portland
Presbyterian College
Radford
Sacred Heart
Siena
South Carolina State
SE Louisiana
St. Bonaventure
St. Francis, NY.
Saint Francis, PA.
Saint Peter's
Texas A&M- c.C.
Wagner
Western Illinois
Wright State

These are mainly bottom feeders, or lost a lot of enrollment to justified to stay D1.
I'm almost certain the only reason you make these posts are because you're upset your Alma Mater is a DII school.
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(05-29-2018 11:20 AM)Cyniclone Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 10:50 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(05-29-2018 05:45 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  
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(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.

Georgia State has done as much as Appalachian State and Georgia Southern to improve the Sun Belt. In the last 5 years, GSU has won a bowl game and a men's NCAAT game. No other SBC school has done that (please correct me if I am wrong).


They still lose to FCS teams. Last year, they lost to Tennessee State. An HBCU university. They have not improved. They did not deserved any bowl bids.

They also beat two CUSA teams, one in said bowl game.
Are you advocating for UNLV to leave FBS? They lost to an HBCU.
What about Charlotte? They lost to an HBCU.
Kent State? Lost to an HBCU in 2016.
North Texas? They had to score late in 2015 to avoid a 66-0 shut-out to an FCS.
In 2016 Washington State lost to an FCS and went to a bowl

And for the record, TV market really wasn't a major factor. Georgia State got the Sun Belt in a major recruiting field and Olympic sports flying often go through Atlanta on the way to their destination. Georgia State was considered to be a "down the road" addition but the CAA's decision to consider a huge increase in the departure penalty caused the Sun Belt to move sooner to invite before the CAA had a chance to vote on the proposal.

Had the CAA left things as they were, they might have retained Georgia State longer and Ron Hunter's success coaching might have made Georgia State more inclined to stay in the CAA to build basketball.

I can't find it offhand but it's been said that had the CAA commissioner known that Georgia State was starting football, they wouldn't have invited them. I don't know if that's legit or simply a reaction to them leaving for the Sun Belt shortly after, but my uneducated guess is that Georgia State didn't start football to be a long-term CAA member.

Probably in the same vein as when MTSU informed the OVC that they were going to go FBS and Dan Beebe the OVC commissioner at the time threw a dollar across the table to the MTSU president to help pay for their FBS stadium.
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(05-28-2018 11:27 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(05-28-2018 10:54 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Hmmm as much as Georgia State fans are some of the most obnoxious, delusional, and self-victimizing people I’ve ever come across, Georgia State has recently bought and repurposed a Major League Baseball stadium and they won a bowl game this past season. Yeah, they were a raging dumpster fire when they started a few years ago but now that they have an AD and a coach that know what the heck they’re doing, there’s finally some wind in the sails for them.


It was a mistake in adding Georgia State. They added them because of the tv market which did not get the SBC the contract either. Georgia Southern should have been invited first than Appalachian State and so forth.
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(05-29-2018 12:41 PM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote:  Georgia State wasn't ready for FBS when they joined the Sun Belt. They were hardly ready for FCS football. That's no secret. But the thread is titled "D1 Schools In Financial Troubles That Should Drop Down A Division." Georgia State bought and re-purposed an MLB stadium for 300M in private corporate donations. They aren't in financial trouble. Currently, their athletic budget is about 75% subsidized by student fees, but recent legislation in Georgia has forced them to reduce that to 60%. That's about all the financial difficulty they are having currently.

Also, it's doubtful that Georgia Southern would have been in a hurry to leave the FCS had Georgia State not announced their intentions to move up. That's why Georgia State was invited first. The Sun Belt was looking to follow CUSA's model and add start ups in market cities. Georgia State, a founding member of the SBC in 1976, made it no secret that they wanted to be in the FBS. Georgia Southern announced our intentions to move up literal hours after Georgia State announced they had accepted an invitation to the Sun Belt. Before that, our administration was content to be behemoths in the FCS playoffs every year. We even forced the resignation of our AD who was a strong advocate to remain FCS. Georgia Southern would announce our acceptance of an offer to join the Sun Belt less than a year later.

TL;DR without Georgia State lighting a fire under our ass and making us decide we actually did want FBS football, we would have kept fighting NDSU in the Who's The Tallest Midget Contest.
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I honestly and sincerely appreciate those of you that have come to Georgia State's defense. At least we know you understand the real nuances behind our move up to FBS and can articulate them correctly. If you go back to David St's earliest threads (and there are many) he has always been anti-GSU. I guess one of us peed on his parade early on and he's made it a point to include us on every disparaging list he creates (literally all of them). We may have had the most non-conventional start of any of the 130 FBS teams, but we are FBS none the less...and "Financial Troubles" is not among our woes.
I'd be more concerned with how you keep referring to HBCUs as if they are far inferior to other FCS competition. Your words expose you.
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What would DavidSt’s motive be in targetting Georgia St? He’s a Wonder Boy alum and Boise fan.

Is this really him sticking it to panama underneath it all?
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Coastal isn’t going anywhere. First year in the FBS without their head coach, switching offensive schemes. Plus our facilities are there.
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(05-31-2018 05:00 PM)SENOREIDA Wrote:  Coastal isn’t going anywhere. First year in the FBS without their head coach, switching offensive schemes. Plus our facilities are there.

For me the big point on Coastal is this.

The Sun Belt reached an impasse.
NMSU for the 12th team had fallen short of a 3/4ths vote.
EKU had fallen short.
Liberty had fallen short.

Then the president at App reached out to Coastal and once Coastal apparently got over the shock and surprise and sketched out a plan to get the stadium upgraded, the Chants sailed through.

Serious testament to what Coastal had done to resume build that they were able to be the school that spurred agreement.
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(05-31-2018 04:27 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  What would DavidSt’s motive be in targetting Georgia St? He’s a Wonder Boy alum and Boise fan.

Is this really him sticking it to panama underneath it all?

Jealousy that his school is stuck in DII and that Georgia State, once deemed a commuter school is expanding and now in FBS.
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There are schools that wants FBS for a long time that deserves the spots that Charlotte, Georgia State and Coastal Carolina. James Madison, Delaware, Youngstown State, Stony Brook, Eastern Kentucky, Jacksonville State and so forth. Those schools have more years playing football under their belt than those three I mention.
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(05-31-2018 06:21 PM)seaking4steel Wrote:  
(05-31-2018 04:27 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  What would DavidSt’s motive be in targetting Georgia St? He’s a Wonder Boy alum and Boise fan.

Is this really him sticking it to panama underneath it all?

Jealousy that his school is stuck in DII and that Georgia State, once deemed a commuter school is expanding and now in FBS.

He may be jealous; but I am proud to say we are a DII school. I have a hard time believing anyone at Arkansas Tech (other than DavidSt) would say we are stuck in DII. Go Wonder Boys and Golden Suns!
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