(06-07-2018 08:31 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 12:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:42 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:05 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  "Plancher's death also set the NCAA on course to clean up the offseason training scourge. UCF's negligence is part of the reason the NCAA now mandates schools test for sickle cell trait.
Since 2000, 32 NCAA football players have died. Twenty-six of those have been of the non-traumatic nature (largely offseason practices). Nationally, 2016 has already reached the average for NCAA football deaths per year -- two. It's only August."

Health issues was a factor.

I feel for the family.

Life must be interesting looking at it through black and gold glasses. Gravity is a factor when somebody is pushed off a tall building and falls to their death.

Meanwhile, you have a statue of a guy responsible for a player's death outside your stadium. But hey, that BCS win is all that really matters, right?

USFFan

What is your point?

There was negligence but was for a health issue that was either not caught or missed, I do not know. I feel the statue was a mistake, but deaths in practices does not make the coach a killer.

UCF knew he had sickle cell trait, which is why a jury awarded the family $10 million (which UCF never paid). They first tried to hide behind HIPAA laws, then got the athletic foundation declared immune from damages because it's a state institution (even though the UCFAA is not a state institution).

You might benefit from learning the history of your own program before you post sometimes...

USFFan

By "got it declared," you mean that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the Legislature applied sovereign immunity law to all of the university direct-support organizations and that USF filed a brief in support of UCF, right?

Also, the Planchers can collect all the money. They simply have to go to the Legislature to get approval for it, just like when USF Health commits malpractice and kills your best friend (like they did mine).

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Imagine how inappropriate it would be if some of our fans then chose to put that person responsible for it on a pedestal, tried to dismiss it, or if our campus built a statue to the person. Or even promoted them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os...story.html

USFFan

(06-07-2018 03:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 08:31 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 12:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:42 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  Life must be interesting looking at it through black and gold glasses. Gravity is a factor when somebody is pushed off a tall building and falls to their death.

Meanwhile, you have a statue of a guy responsible for a player's death outside your stadium. But hey, that BCS win is all that really matters, right?

USFFan

What is your point?

There was negligence but was for a health issue that was either not caught or missed, I do not know. I feel the statue was a mistake, but deaths in practices does not make the coach a killer.

UCF knew he had sickle cell trait, which is why a jury awarded the family $10 million (which UCF never paid). They first tried to hide behind HIPAA laws, then got the athletic foundation declared immune from damages because it's a state institution (even though the UCFAA is not a state institution).

You might benefit from learning the history of your own program before you post sometimes...

USFFan

By "got it declared," you mean that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the Legislature applied sovereign immunity law to all of the university direct-support organizations and that USF filed a brief in support of UCF, right?

Also, the Planchers can collect all the money. They simply have to go to the Legislature to get approval for it, just like when USF Health commits malpractice and kills your best friend (like they did mine).

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Imagine how inappropriate it would be if some of our fans then chose to put that person responsible for it on a pedestal, tried to dismiss it, or if our campus built a statue to the person. Or even promoted them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os...story.html

USFFan

Do you feel the same way about Bobby Bowden? Pretty sure this happened at FSU under his watch.

(06-07-2018 03:45 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 03:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 08:31 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 12:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:42 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  What is your point?

There was negligence but was for a health issue that was either not caught or missed, I do not know. I feel the statue was a mistake, but deaths in practices does not make the coach a killer.

UCF knew he had sickle cell trait, which is why a jury awarded the family $10 million (which UCF never paid). They first tried to hide behind HIPAA laws, then got the athletic foundation declared immune from damages because it's a state institution (even though the UCFAA is not a state institution).

You might benefit from learning the history of your own program before you post sometimes...

USFFan

By "got it declared," you mean that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the Legislature applied sovereign immunity law to all of the university direct-support organizations and that USF filed a brief in support of UCF, right?

Also, the Planchers can collect all the money. They simply have to go to the Legislature to get approval for it, just like when USF Health commits malpractice and kills your best friend (like they did mine).

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Imagine how inappropriate it would be if some of our fans then chose to put that person responsible for it on a pedestal, tried to dismiss it, or if our campus built a statue to the person. Or even promoted them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os...story.html

USFFan

Do you feel the same way about Bobby Bowden? Pretty sure this happened at FSU under his watch.

If Bowden had been personally overseeing the drill and refused to give struggling players water, than yes. But he doesn't appear to have been:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001...t-athletic

FSU also paid $1.8MM to the kid's family:

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Family-t...22494.html

USFFan

(06-07-2018 04:11 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 03:45 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 03:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 08:31 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  

(06-05-2018 12:05 AM)usffan Wrote:  UCF knew he had sickle cell trait, which is why a jury awarded the family $10 million (which UCF never paid). They first tried to hide behind HIPAA laws, then got the athletic foundation declared immune from damages because it's a state institution (even though the UCFAA is not a state institution).

You might benefit from learning the history of your own program before you post sometimes...

USFFan

By "got it declared," you mean that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the Legislature applied sovereign immunity law to all of the university direct-support organizations and that USF filed a brief in support of UCF, right?

Also, the Planchers can collect all the money. They simply have to go to the Legislature to get approval for it, just like when USF Health commits malpractice and kills your best friend (like they did mine).

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Imagine how inappropriate it would be if some of our fans then chose to put that person responsible for it on a pedestal, tried to dismiss it, or if our campus built a statue to the person. Or even promoted them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os...story.html

USFFan

Do you feel the same way about Bobby Bowden? Pretty sure this happened at FSU under his watch.

If Bowden had been personally overseeing the drill and refused to give struggling players water, than yes. But he doesn't appear to have been:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001...t-athletic

FSU also paid $1.8MM to the kid's family:

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Family-t...22494.html

USFFan

USF fans might want to learn the facts before looking like fools.

1) The policy that UCFAA had with the insurance company to cover any potential negligence REQUIRED UCF to go along with the insurance company's legal defense. It is actually a common clause in many insurance policies. I even looked it up on my personal policies and the same type of clause is in there. That correlates with what some insiders were saying...that UCF wanted to settle with the Plancher family, but the insurance company (who would be the one's paying the money) did not agree.

2) UCF (i.e. UCF and the insurance company) apparently did offer a settlement that the Planchers turned down.
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/jury-fi...death.html


3) The Plancher family HAS been paid more than the $200,000 revised award as a result of a confidential settlement with the insurance company. This is an op-ed that apparently appeared in multiple newspapers earlier this year.
http://www.hastingstribune.com/editorial...2bfba.html

(06-07-2018 06:05 PM)Square Knight Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 04:11 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 03:45 PM)zfred12 Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 03:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-07-2018 08:31 AM)CitrusUCF Wrote:  By "got it declared," you mean that the Florida Supreme Court ruled that the Legislature applied sovereign immunity law to all of the university direct-support organizations and that USF filed a brief in support of UCF, right?

Also, the Planchers can collect all the money. They simply have to go to the Legislature to get approval for it, just like when USF Health commits malpractice and kills your best friend (like they did mine).

First and foremost, I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Imagine how inappropriate it would be if some of our fans then chose to put that person responsible for it on a pedestal, tried to dismiss it, or if our campus built a statue to the person. Or even promoted them.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os...story.html

USFFan

Do you feel the same way about Bobby Bowden? Pretty sure this happened at FSU under his watch.

If Bowden had been personally overseeing the drill and refused to give struggling players water, than yes. But he doesn't appear to have been:

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2001...t-athletic

FSU also paid $1.8MM to the kid's family:

http://www.wctv.tv/content/news/Family-t...22494.html

USFFan

USF fans might want to learn the facts before looking like fools.

1) The policy that UCFAA had with the insurance company to cover any potential negligence REQUIRED UCF to go along with the insurance company's legal defense. It is actually a common clause in many insurance policies. I even looked it up on my personal policies and the same type of clause is in there. That correlates with what some insiders were saying...that UCF wanted to settle with the Plancher family, but the insurance company (who would be the one's paying the money) did not agree.

2) UCF (i.e. UCF and the insurance company) apparently did offer a settlement that the Planchers turned down.
https://www.athleticbusiness.com/jury-fi...death.html


3) The Plancher family HAS been paid more than the $200,000 revised award as a result of a confidential settlement with the insurance company. This is an op-ed that apparently appeared in multiple newspapers earlier this year.
http://www.hastingstribune.com/editorial...2bfba.html

From your own link:

Quote:when the youth collapsed and buddies tried to help him, then-coach George O’Leary told them to “back the f—- up.” An unidentified coach shouted, “Put his ass down and make him walk.”

Yes, that is exactly what I would want to use as evidence of how great my school is and defend the POS we've been talking about here.

Oh, and the link also says:

Quote:The insurance company must have doubted how that would come out in a federal appeal or before the Legislature because it reportedly reached a confidential settlement with the Planchers. It took them nearly a decade after Ereck’s death to get it.

(emphasis added by me)

Allegations of a settlement (which hasn't been published elsewhere, and if the Hastings Tribune is breaking that news, a tip of the cap to them) is far different from an actual settlement, and hardly worthy of you snapping your fingers in a z-formation. But if all of this really has you in the mood to celebrate how great UCF has done with all of this as if you're shouting



you have my pity.

USFFan

(06-04-2018 11:42 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:21 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 11:05 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 10:53 PM)usffan Wrote:  

(06-04-2018 10:45 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Was there a murder charge? I feel bad about the player but health issues could have been a factor.

By the way, I did not want that statue. It should have been Hitt.

Seriously?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...ry-statue/

USFFan

"Plancher's death also set the NCAA on course to clean up the offseason training scourge. UCF's negligence is part of the reason the NCAA now mandates schools test for sickle cell trait.
Since 2000, 32 NCAA football players have died. Twenty-six of those have been of the non-traumatic nature (largely offseason practices). Nationally, 2016 has already reached the average for NCAA football deaths per year -- two. It's only August."

Health issues was a factor.

I feel for the family.

Life must be interesting looking at it through black and gold glasses. Gravity is a factor when somebody is pushed off a tall building and falls to their death.

Meanwhile, you have a statue of a guy responsible for a player's death outside your stadium. But hey, that BCS win is all that really matters, right?

USFFan

Not cool to use EP’s death as a dig. Especially since usf’s favorite coach slapped a kid which ruined his life and lead to his suicide. Not everyone was on board with the statue, but the decision was made at the highest level to let it go through. Lets try not to let tragedies into the rivalry.

It's better to hit above the belt.

Disgusting, as always. South Florida fans who are pissed that UCF has eclipsed their athletics program in every way seem to always circle to Ereck Plancher’s tragic passing as some sort of rivalry trump card.

It’s incredible to me how their gold and green glasses are on so tightly that they seem to disregard basic human decency. Did you guys forget about the tragic passing of your own player during a conditioning workout? Did any UCF fans swarm your threads afterwards calling Jim Leavitt a killer?

How could anyone think that is even remotely ok to do? My goodness.

Link: South Florida player dies after conditioning workout

(06-10-2018 09:45 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  Disgusting, as always. South Florida fans who are pissed that UCF has eclipsed their athletics program in every way seem to always circle to Ereck Plancher’s tragic passing as some sort of rivalry trump card.

It’s incredible to me how their gold and green glasses are on so tightly that they seem to disregard basic human decency. Did you guys forget about the tragic passing of your own player during a conditioning workout? Did any UCF fans swarm your threads afterwards calling Jim Leavitt a killer?

How could anyone think that is even remotely ok to do? My goodness.

Link: South Florida player dies after conditioning workout

Wow...didn't know about that. Cow hypocrisy reaches new, historically high levels.