(06-10-2018 12:23 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 10:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If the SEC went to 16, so would the ACC and B1G. Which means West Virginia would move as well.

Nebraska hasn’t been happy in the B1G, wonder if Texas would make a run to get them back into the Big 12, just add some relevance back to that conference.

Let me take this question... NO. Texas and Nebraska are like Oil and water.

Nebraska's heyday was the former Big 8, and that didn't include Texas. That won't be re-created.

(06-10-2018 12:57 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 12:23 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 10:10 AM)Usajags Wrote:  If the SEC went to 16, so would the ACC and B1G. Which means West Virginia would move as well.

Nebraska hasn’t been happy in the B1G, wonder if Texas would make a run to get them back into the Big 12, just add some relevance back to that conference.

Let me take this question... NO. Texas and Nebraska are like Oil and water.

Nebraska's heyday was the former Big 8, and that didn't include Texas. That won't be re-created.

I felt in the past (before Missouri & A&M & Rutgers and Maryland were added) that the best partition of the Big 12 would be for the Big 10 to take Iowa State, Kansas, and Missouri, and for the SEC to take Texas & Texas A&M and Oklahoma. Then both could have looked for a 4th to the East. Maryland for the Big 10 then puts them at a nice 16 and West Virginia for the SEC would have done the same. The ACC could then have back filled with Louisville and there would have been more pressure for Notre Dame to have joined in full.

Nebraska also plays by different rules with regard to recruiting compared to the old Big 8 days. The old walk-on program was big for them and it's harder for them now because they have to find players from other parts of the country.

The biggest problem they have now is that the Big Ten doesn't give them access to very many talent rich areas. And the decent recruiting outlets that the B1G does have within its footprint don't see NU come through very often. Even if NU did play in the East regularly, how many kids from the megalopolis are going to want to travel to the Upper Midwest to play college ball?

Geographically speaking, they fit with the B1G more than any other league, but another conference home would be better for them as far as competition on the field.

(06-10-2018 02:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nebraska also plays by different rules with regard to recruiting compared to the old Big 8 days. The old walk-on program was big for them and it's harder for them now because they have to find players from other parts of the country.

The biggest problem they have now is that the Big Ten doesn't give them access to very many talent rich areas. And the decent recruiting outlets that the B1G does have within its footprint don't see NU come through very often. Even if NU did play in the East regularly, how many kids from the megalopolis are going to want to travel to the Upper Midwest to play college ball?

Geographically speaking, they fit with the B1G more than any other league, but another conference home would be better for them as far as competition on the field.

Texas and OU probably aren't excited about playing in the great white north either.

(06-10-2018 11:21 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 02:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nebraska also plays by different rules with regard to recruiting compared to the old Big 8 days. The old walk-on program was big for them and it's harder for them now because they have to find players from other parts of the country.

The biggest problem they have now is that the Big Ten doesn't give them access to very many talent rich areas. And the decent recruiting outlets that the B1G does have within its footprint don't see NU come through very often. Even if NU did play in the East regularly, how many kids from the megalopolis are going to want to travel to the Upper Midwest to play college ball?

Geographically speaking, they fit with the B1G more than any other league, but another conference home would be better for them as far as competition on the field.

Texas and OU probably aren't excited about playing in the great white north either.

For all the woofing on other message boards about the inevitability of Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big 10, my sense is that outside of some of the academia at OU there is no support for that move. Kansas of course would be a different matter.

I agree that Texas and Oklahoma from a sports perspective would never make that move.

I've met several OU fans who want the Big 10, or more specifically the Big 10 West.

The logic is that these folks want the feel of the old Big 8 back (and the rivalry with Nebraska too) but also understand that they still need a league that provides them the money and competition to be a perennial national power and an expanded B1G West gives them that.

Now it rides entirely on getting UTAustin to agree to it but in their minds, an annual schedule of Texas, Nebraska, OKstate (OOC) supplemented with Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas and Minnesota and the occasional Ohio State/Michigan/PSU/MSU is exactly what they need.

However they are definitely not a majority and only about a 1/3rd of the "OU should jump to the _____ Conference crowd with just as many other wanting the PAC or the SEC

(06-11-2018 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I've met several OU fans who want the Big 10, or more specifically the Big 10 West.

The logic is that these folks want the feel of the old Big 8 back (and the rivalry with Nebraska too) but also understand that they still need a league that provides them the money and competition to be a perennial national power and an expanded B1G West gives them that.

Now it rides entirely on getting UTAustin to agree to it but in their minds, an annual schedule of Texas, Nebraska, OKstate (OOC) supplemented with Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas and Minnesota and the occasional Ohio State/Michigan/PSU/MSU is exactly what they need.

However they are definitely not a majority and only about a 1/3rd of the "OU should jump to the _____ Conference crowd with just as many other wanting the PAC or the SEC

1. Why join a declining demographic?

2. If you beat Nebraska what have you beaten?

3. As you state they can't make the move without Texas or they stand to lose their recruiting base. The only place they can move without Texas and keep their recruiting base is the SEC.

4. TV revenue might be better in the Big 10 for the next few years but most projections indicate that the SEC will see a 7 to 10 million bump per school when the new T1 is signed and next year when they hit 50 million we'll hit 46 million and we still enjoy a 7 to 10 million dollar advantage in over all revenue over them. So my point is there isn't even a compelling financial reason for OU to move to the Big 10. Most of them that I know who want this are academic folks where they feel having the Big 10 logo helps their standing professionally.

5. Texas isn't headed North. It doesn't fit their business or sports model, nor does it suit their fan base.

So 10th, I just don't see it happening. And if it did the bright side for us is that will be one less big program to worry about as they will suffer the same fate that has befallen the Huskers.

(06-11-2018 01:33 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 01:18 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  I've met several OU fans who want the Big 10, or more specifically the Big 10 West.

The logic is that these folks want the feel of the old Big 8 back (and the rivalry with Nebraska too) but also understand that they still need a league that provides them the money and competition to be a perennial national power and an expanded B1G West gives them that.

Now it rides entirely on getting UTAustin to agree to it but in their minds, an annual schedule of Texas, Nebraska, OKstate (OOC) supplemented with Iowa, Wisconsin, Kansas and Minnesota and the occasional Ohio State/Michigan/PSU/MSU is exactly what they need.

However they are definitely not a majority and only about a 1/3rd of the "OU should jump to the _____ Conference crowd with just as many other wanting the PAC or the SEC

1. Why join a declining demographic?

2. If you beat Nebraska what have you beaten?

3. As you state they can't make the move without Texas or they stand to lose their recruiting base. The only place they can move without Texas and keep their recruiting base is the SEC.

4. TV revenue might be better in the Big 10 for the next few years but most projections indicate that the SEC will see a 7 to 10 million bump per school when the new T1 is signed and next year when they hit 50 million we'll hit 46 million and we still enjoy a 7 to 10 million dollar advantage in over all revenue over them. So my point is there isn't even a compelling financial reason for OU to move to the Big 10. Most of them that I know who want this are academic folks where they feel having the Big 10 logo helps their standing professionally.

5. Texas isn't headed North. It doesn't fit their business or sports model, nor does it suit their fan base.

So 10th, I just don't see it happening. And if it did the bright side for us is that will be one less big program to worry about as they will suffer the same fate that has befallen the Huskers.

True about the population shift. In two more years we will be taking a census, and will be re-allocating more congressional districts. Don't see the B1G geographical area gaining many.

The folks who want these things aren't hard core realignment buffs like on this site. Nostalgia is the overwhelming thing driving this faction as they want a Big 8 like Conference and their old rivalry back. Sure those reasons seem paltry and simplistic to us but for them history and tradition are enough. Plus they do have one unique advantage to their faction: the support of the OU admin who desperately want into the B1G for academic reasons.

(06-11-2018 07:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The folks who want these things aren't hard core realignment buffs like on this site. Nostalgia is the overwhelming thing driving this faction as they want a Big 8 like Conference and their old rivalry back. Sure those reasons seem paltry and simplistic to us but for them history and tradition are enough. Plus they do have one unique advantage to their faction: the support of the OU admin who desperately want into the B1G for academic reasons.

That was the old administration under David Boren. Gallogly is a businessman, a Colorado grad connected to the O&G industry. Things change. It will be interesting to see if the push for OSU has changed too.

And perhaps more importantly it will be interesting to see if the Big 10 would accept them. They are nowhere near AAU status and would place about 7th or 8th in the SEC in academics.

But I can appreciate those who long for the old days and old rivalries. I still very fondly remember the 10 school SEC.

I completely understand as I have fond memories of the SWC as the Conference I grew up with. It was something really unique and special that was like no other conference. It's also something that had its time and is never coming back and I'm okay with that.

(06-11-2018 07:30 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-11-2018 07:00 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  The folks who want these things aren't hard core realignment buffs like on this site. Nostalgia is the overwhelming thing driving this faction as they want a Big 8 like Conference and their old rivalry back. Sure those reasons seem paltry and simplistic to us but for them history and tradition are enough. Plus they do have one unique advantage to their faction: the support of the OU admin who desperately want into the B1G for academic reasons.

That was the old administration under David Boren. Gallogly is a businessman, a Colorado grad connected to the O&G industry. Things change. It will be interesting to see if the push for OSU has changed too.

And perhaps more importantly it will be interesting to see if the Big 10 would accept them. They are nowhere near AAU status and would place about 7th or 8th in the SEC in academics.

But I can appreciate those who long for the old days and old rivalries. I still very fondly remember the 10 school SEC.

I think a businessman would take a different course than a politician(Boren), no doubt.

I wouldn't think the hangup with OSU would change, however. Regardless of the administration's goals, the politicians in the state of OK will pitch a holy fit if OSU ends up being relegated.

(06-10-2018 02:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nebraska also plays by different rules with regard to recruiting compared to the old Big 8 days. The old walk-on program was big for them and it's harder for them now because they have to find players from other parts of the country.

The biggest problem they have now is that the Big Ten doesn't give them access to very many talent rich areas. And the decent recruiting outlets that the B1G does have within its footprint don't see NU come through very often. Even if NU did play in the East regularly, how many kids from the megalopolis are going to want to travel to the Upper Midwest to play college ball?

Geographically speaking, they fit with the B1G more than any other league, but another conference home would be better for them as far as competition on the field.

While it might not be probable, the reasons you gave are why I wouldn't positively rule out Nebraska ever leaving the B1G, especially if Frost can't return them to a perennial winner again. I mean more in the range of 10-11 wins not 8-9 wins. At some point results on the field have to take precedence over an extra 5-7M a year in tv revenues if there is a better alternative.

Its also why if the B1G was smart from a football perspective they would offer Texas membership with the ability to bring enough regional partners. Something like Texas, OU, TT & Houston or TCU. It would be huge for the B1G to get this kind of foothold in Texas not only from viewers but they need the access to recruits. It also would help give Nebraska a better shot at restoring their brand.

If A&M doesn't win anything between now and 2023 is it impossible to think they would accept a B1G invite with OU, Texas and another? I guess the SEC equivalent of raiding the B1G would be adding UT, OU & Nebraska and one other. Either one of those would yield some fantastic renewed rivalries.

In a strongly ran league there simply wouldn't be major issues between A&M and Texas or Texas and Nebraska due to the existing league power structure. You could make the same argument for the SEC existing power structure controlling the past disagreements between the two schools.

(06-12-2018 04:35 PM)Win5002 Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 02:35 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Nebraska also plays by different rules with regard to recruiting compared to the old Big 8 days. The old walk-on program was big for them and it's harder for them now because they have to find players from other parts of the country.

The biggest problem they have now is that the Big Ten doesn't give them access to very many talent rich areas. And the decent recruiting outlets that the B1G does have within its footprint don't see NU come through very often. Even if NU did play in the East regularly, how many kids from the megalopolis are going to want to travel to the Upper Midwest to play college ball?

Geographically speaking, they fit with the B1G more than any other league, but another conference home would be better for them as far as competition on the field.

While it might not be probable, the reasons you gave are why I wouldn't positively rule out Nebraska ever leaving the B1G, especially if Frost can't return them to a perennial winner again. I mean more in the range of 10-11 wins not 8-9 wins. At some point results on the field have to take precedence over an extra 5-7M a year in tv revenues if there is a better alternative.

Its also why if the B1G was smart from a football perspective they would offer Texas membership with the ability to bring enough regional partners. Something like Texas, OU, TT & Houston or TCU. It would be huge for the B1G to get this kind of foothold in Texas not only from viewers but they need the access to recruits. It also would help give Nebraska a better shot at restoring their brand.

If A&M doesn't win anything between now and 2023 is it impossible to think they would accept a B1G invite with OU, Texas and another? I guess the SEC equivalent of raiding the B1G would be adding UT, OU & Nebraska and one other. Either one of those would yield some fantastic renewed rivalries.

In a strongly ran league there simply wouldn't be major issues between A&M and Texas or Texas and Nebraska due to the existing league power structure. You could make the same argument for the SEC existing power structure controlling the past disagreements between the two schools.

Either conference (SEC or B1G) can control ego issues by putting the schools in question in different divisions. We are both bigger and a helluva lot healthier than the old SWC or Big 8.