(06-08-2018 11:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  To me big money would be anything over $10 million. Hopefully $10-15 million at least. It would definitely be a game changer for our conference as it would help stabilize the conference for the time being and squelch any interest in UConn moving to the Big East.

It would also have G4 members banging down our door for an invite and could intice BYU.

BYU isn't going anywhere that is not the B12 or PAC

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their AD akready said otherwise if it made sense.....making 10 mil (i dont think we'll get, my guess is 6-8mil) would double what they are making....byu hates Independence, their one standard for why it made sense was they were making more money than us.....if we make DRASTICALLY more money, it makes no sense anymore

if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

(06-08-2018 02:31 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

perception and byu wouldnt come alone

(06-08-2018 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 02:31 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

perception and byu wouldnt come alone

perception to who? TV networks? BYU and ??? isn't going to add another $20mil per year to our contract so it'll just water down the pie --- unless you are proposing adding BYU+1 and kicking out two teams?

If we are making 10mil+ per team without BYU and we don't add any more money with them -- there is no reason to include such a wild outlier in location, much less 2 of them.

(06-08-2018 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 02:31 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

perception and byu wouldnt come alone

Which is just the cost of more teams traveling out west and more splits that don't add value.

No one other than BYU and maybe Boise add equal value to the current line up.

BYU missed the boat. They should have scooped up SDSU, Boise, Colorado St and come along way back when. They didn't. Now Boise has no shot to go east, SDSU is too far to come alone and Colorado St seems comfy with it's traditional place and regional rivalries.

Hell if Boise would have balked with BYU already in the deal you could have slid Air Force or New Mexico in the Broncos place and not lost much. Too late for all of that now. BYU placed it's ante on the table and decided to play it's hand. They put their money on the PAC or BigX-ii. They haven't folded yet but their mountains of poker chips are shrinking.

(06-08-2018 12:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  To me big money would be anything over $10 million. Hopefully $10-15 million at least. It would definitely be a game changer for our conference as it would help stabilize the conference for the time being and squelch any interest in UConn moving to the Big East.

It would also have G4 members banging down our door for an invite and could intice BYU.

BYU isn't going anywhere that is not the B12 or PAC

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their AD akready said otherwise if it made sense.....making 10 mil (i dont think we'll get, my guess is 6-8mil) would double what they are making....byu hates Independence, their one standard for why it made sense was they were making more money than us.....if we make DRASTICALLY more money, it makes no sense anymore

There are no AAC schools in their neighborhood. It only makes sense for them to travel like that if they are in a power conference with power trappings and money.

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BYU could do football only. That's what Boise and SDSU were going to do.

(06-08-2018 04:05 PM)panama Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:19 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:16 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:35 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(06-06-2018 01:18 PM)mustangxc Wrote:  To me big money would be anything over $10 million. Hopefully $10-15 million at least. It would definitely be a game changer for our conference as it would help stabilize the conference for the time being and squelch any interest in UConn moving to the Big East.

It would also have G4 members banging down our door for an invite and could intice BYU.

BYU isn't going anywhere that is not the B12 or PAC

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their AD akready said otherwise if it made sense.....making 10 mil (i dont think we'll get, my guess is 6-8mil) would double what they are making....byu hates Independence, their one standard for why it made sense was they were making more money than us.....if we make DRASTICALLY more money, it makes no sense anymore

There are no AAC schools in their neighborhood. It only makes sense for them to travel like that if they are in a power conference with power trappings and money.

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I tend to agree, but then again, you're seeing the "here and now", not the future of the conference. I think the AAC will grow considerably, if we keep the current teams in the conference. We were literally the "nowhere but up" conference five years ago. In that five years, this conference has grown considerably, and shown that we can beat the P5 teams. A lot of things change in CFB, so I won't say "never" when it comes to conference alignments.

(06-08-2018 03:28 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 02:31 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

perception and byu wouldnt come alone

perception to who? TV networks? BYU and ??? isn't going to add another $20mil per year to our contract so it'll just water down the pie --- unless you are proposing adding BYU+1 and kicking out two teams?

If we are making 10mil+ per team without BYU and we don't add any more money with them -- there is no reason to include such a wild outlier in location, much less 2 of them.

This ^^^^^^^^^^^^^.

If you get 10 million per school you don't need BYU especially when BYU is getting something like that alone as an independent. BYU's ESPN contract for football alone is 6-10 million dollars. They aren't coming anyway as per heir AD Tom Holmoe. BYU is only interested in joining a P5 conference, is currently in negotiation with ESPN on an extension, and the school still feels its in a better position as an independent rather than in a G5 conference like the MWC.

I'd if we get anywhere near $10 million.

(06-08-2018 09:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  BYU could do football only. That's what Boise and SDSU were going to do.

But why?

That's not their goal.

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Expansion is not happening any time soon. Maybe when B12 Deal is coming up n GOR ending. Byu will re sign with ESPN for around 8 mil. and AAC will get new deals of 6 to 8 mil.

(06-09-2018 07:10 AM)panama Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 09:26 PM)TripleA Wrote:  BYU could do football only. That's what Boise and SDSU were going to do.

But why?

That's not their goal.

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I didn't say they were going to do it. I simply was countering the post that said they couldn't see BYU sending their volleyball team east.

But I bet you if our TV money is high enough, BYU would certainly consider it, assuming the AAC did, also.

(06-09-2018 07:43 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  Expansion is not happening any time soon. Maybe when B12 Deal is coming up n GOR ending. Byu will re sign with ESPN for around 8 mil. and AAC will get new deals of 6 to 8 mil.

This is a good guess and probably the most realistic approach to 2025 when the P5 grant of rights ends especially the B-12 if they can continue to get a conference champ in the playoffs most years.

(06-08-2018 03:37 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 03:15 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 02:31 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  if we are making 10mil+ (only way byu would be interested in the AAC) without byu why are we adding a lone west coast team to the conference again? I enjoyed the trip out there a few years ago but sending volleyball and soccer out there is just silly. BYU will never be apart of the AAC, sorry to burst bubbles guys.

perception and byu wouldnt come alone

Which is just the cost of more teams traveling out west and more splits that don't add value.

No one other than BYU and maybe Boise add equal value to the current line up.

BYU missed the boat. They should have scooped up SDSU, Boise, Colorado St and come along way back when. They didn't. Now Boise has no shot to go east, SDSU is too far to come alone and Colorado St seems comfy with it's traditional place and regional rivalries.

Hell if Boise would have balked with BYU already in the deal you could have slid Air Force or New Mexico in the Broncos place and not lost much. Too late for all of that now. BYU placed it's ante on the table and decided to play it's hand. They put their money on the PAC or BigX-ii. They haven't folded yet but their mountains of poker chips are shrinking.

This

Expansion by the AAC into the Mountain/Pacific times zones might or might-not happen. Just depends on the $$$, that’s all. And it might be for all-sports or it might be for football-only.

If it ever does happen, I’d be willing to bet BYU and Air Force will be the key players involved. Could also envision up to 2 more. Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State probably the most-likely suspects if things get that far.

All that is still in the preliminary stage of discussions. The maybe/possibly/“what-would-you-think-if-X-happened?” stage. They may progress to something real/serious later on down the line, or maybe not.

Two things I’m convinced of, though. When it comes to media-revenues and national exposure, AAC has huge growth-potential. And the MWC has very little.

(06-10-2018 11:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Expansion by the AAC into the Mountain/Pacific times zones might or might-not happen. Just depends on the $$$, that’s all. And it might be for all-sports or it might be for football-only.

If it ever does happen, I’d be willing to bet BYU and Air Force will be the key players involved. Could also envision up to 2 more. Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State probably the most-likely suspects if things get that far.

All that is still in the preliminary stage of discussions. The maybe/possibly/“what-would-you-think-if-X-happened?” stage. They may progress to something real/serious later on down the line, or maybe not.

Two things I’m convinced of, though. When it comes to media-revenues and national exposure, AAC has huge growth-potential. And the MWC has very little.

Colorado State and/or Air Force to the AAC? Maybe. That’s at least in the realm of possibility.

However, the AAC has as much of a chance of adding BYU as they do of adding Notre Dame. It is 100% about branding and prestige for BYU and they will not allow themselves to be *structually* in a G5 conference (“P6” arguments notwithstanding) when Utah is in the Pac-12. The ability to say, “We can get an independent TV deal with ESPN that Utah could never get” is worth more from a branding standpoint to them than any G5 TV contract (even if BYU might somehow make more TV money in that scenario, which is still speculative). It is about image, image, image with BYU (not the money). Anything less than a P5 invite for BYU is a non-starter.

(06-10-2018 11:41 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 11:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Expansion by the AAC into the Mountain/Pacific times zones might or might-not happen. Just depends on the $$$, that’s all. And it might be for all-sports or it might be for football-only.

If it ever does happen, I’d be willing to bet BYU and Air Force will be the key players involved. Could also envision up to 2 more. Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State probably the most-likely suspects if things get that far.

All that is still in the preliminary stage of discussions. The maybe/possibly/“what-would-you-think-if-X-happened?” stage. They may progress to something real/serious later on down the line, or maybe not.

Two things I’m convinced of, though. When it comes to media-revenues and national exposure, AAC has huge growth-potential. And the MWC has very little.

Colorado State and/or Air Force to the AAC? Maybe. That’s at least in the realm of possibility.

However, the AAC has as much of a chance of adding BYU as they do of adding Notre Dame. It is 100% about branding and prestige for BYU and they will not allow themselves to be *structually* in a G5 conference (“P6” arguments notwithstanding) when Utah is in the Pac-12. The ability to say, “We can get an independent TV deal with ESPN that Utah could never get” is worth more from a branding standpoint to them than any G5 TV contract (even if BYU might somehow make more TV money in that scenario, which is still speculative). It is about image, image, image with BYU (not the money). Anything less than a P5 invite for BYU is a non-starter.

it wasnt but 5 months ago their AD said he'd g5 wasnt outside the realm of possibilities...

1) note he said this with out current tv money
2) he said this before the gonzaga mwc debacle happened
3) note that byu's value is decreasing cause theyve sucked for a few years now

byu makes rumored about 4/5 mill from espn ..if we get a tv deal way more than that and we actively pursue them they will come...their deal isnt going to increase much in value
gonzaga wants out but willing to give the wcc 1 more shot, if zaga leaves the wcc is dead...the mwc is the only other option in the west

if the aac made a true west division (houston, smu, tulsa, wichita and some west teams) byu will come running to us...

ND is 0.00000%, byu is more real than you think, especially if their is money in our new deal

(06-10-2018 12:03 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 11:41 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(06-10-2018 11:21 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Expansion by the AAC into the Mountain/Pacific times zones might or might-not happen. Just depends on the $$$, that’s all. And it might be for all-sports or it might be for football-only.

If it ever does happen, I’d be willing to bet BYU and Air Force will be the key players involved. Could also envision up to 2 more. Colorado State, UNLV, San Diego State probably the most-likely suspects if things get that far.

All that is still in the preliminary stage of discussions. The maybe/possibly/“what-would-you-think-if-X-happened?” stage. They may progress to something real/serious later on down the line, or maybe not.

Two things I’m convinced of, though. When it comes to media-revenues and national exposure, AAC has huge growth-potential. And the MWC has very little.

Colorado State and/or Air Force to the AAC? Maybe. That’s at least in the realm of possibility.

However, the AAC has as much of a chance of adding BYU as they do of adding Notre Dame. It is 100% about branding and prestige for BYU and they will not allow themselves to be *structually* in a G5 conference (“P6” arguments notwithstanding) when Utah is in the Pac-12. The ability to say, “We can get an independent TV deal with ESPN that Utah could never get” is worth more from a branding standpoint to them than any G5 TV contract (even if BYU might somehow make more TV money in that scenario, which is still speculative). It is about image, image, image with BYU (not the money). Anything less than a P5 invite for BYU is a non-starter.

it wasnt but 5 months ago their AD said he'd g5 wasnt outside the realm of possibilities...

1) note he said this with out current tv money
2) he said this before the gonzaga mwc debacle happened
3) note that byu's value is decreasing cause theyve sucked for a few years now

byu makes rumored about 4/5 mill from espn ..if we get a tv deal way more than that and we actively pursue them they will come...their deal isnt going to increase much in value
gonzaga wants out but willing to give the wcc 1 more shot, if zaga leaves the wcc is dead...the mwc is the only other option in the west

if the aac made a true west division (houston, smu, tulsa, wichita and some west teams) byu will come running to us...

ND is 0.00000%, byu is more real than you think, especially if their is money in our new deal

Except for adding more western teams men's more cost. More splits, more expenses.

To make it worth while the AAC needs 10 million a year. BYU is arguably a 10 million add.

Boise might be a 10 million add.

No one not in the PAC west of the mountains is worth 5 million (see the MW current/future media deals).

We are not taking Boise back.

BYU needs a partner. Any possible partner adds travel and a team not bringing the 10 million to the table to match everyone else.

As many here already said, if The AAC gets a better tv deal why on earth do we need BYU in this league for and I 100% agree.