(06-08-2018 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  the mw hate is petty. love me some mountain west hoops. always have

mw would be fine but its just too far to go for most for bball to make it worth it. A10 would be a much better fit to me.

you don't think the mountain west is closer to more of our schools than the a10? all those schools are pretty much atlantic seaboard whereas the mountain west offers some geographical flux. i like the a10 as well, but they're just a bit too mid major. but i'd be fine with it

For those considering who would be the best non-P5/Big East Challenge opponent...

# of tourney bids since the AAC's inaugural season (2013-2014):

A10: 18
MWC: 9
WCC: 8

(06-08-2018 12:39 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Pac-12 should be our first choice. Mountain West should be second, followed by the Missouri Valley Conference.

We shouldn't associate ourselves with the MWC or the MVC. We don't need some sort of hyped/publicized agreement to play top MWC/MVC/WCC schools. If your school wants them on the schedule, make it happen.

PAC-12 needs a scheduling "Alliance/Challenge" but they might not want to associate themselves with us. They might not want to have a Challenge with anyone because they'd get ran by any of the P5 conferences and wouldn't be a lock to win against us or the top mid-majors.

if we do a non-P5/Big East Challenge i like the idea stated earlier of a "East vs West"

and the west will be the projected best of the WCC and mwc...both normally have 3 or 4 good teams and the rest trash...,
our projected top 8 vs the projected top 8 of the WCC/MWC ..a min of 3 max of 5 from each conference

gonzaga rpi 21
st marys 40
byu 67

nevada 17
boise 50
sdsu 62
wyoming 98
fresno 103

almost all would be top 100 rpi games

it would also make up for the potential down falls of scheduling a challenge vs a weaker league.. if you lose to weaker league they start saying they are better...if you lose to the combination of the best of 2 leagues, that doesn't mean anything

(06-08-2018 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:39 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Pac-12 should be our first choice. Mountain West should be second, followed by the Missouri Valley Conference.

mwc and mvc are currently 1 bid leagues

MW had 2 in last year, Nevada, who is going to be top ten this year as they are loaded and SDSU.

MW has a challenge going already with MVC.


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(06-08-2018 12:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  the mw hate is petty. love me some mountain west hoops. always have

mw would be fine but its just too far to go for most for bball to make it worth it. A10 would be a much better fit to me.

you don't think the mountain west is closer to more of our schools than the a10? all those schools are pretty much atlantic seaboard whereas the mountain west offers some geographical flux. i like the a10 as well, but they're just a bit too mid major. but i'd be fine with it

For those considering who would be the best non-P5/Big East Challenge opponent...

# of tourney bids since the AAC's inaugural season (2013-2014):

A10: 18
MWC: 9
WCC: 8

The A10 has been good but they’ve also been pummeled as of late in the coaching carousel. I’d personally like to see how VCU, Dayton and URI rebound after losing Wade, Miller and Hurley.

(06-08-2018 02:44 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:45 PM)pesik Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:39 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  Pac-12 should be our first choice. Mountain West should be second, followed by the Missouri Valley Conference.

mwc and mvc are currently 1 bid leagues

MW had 2 in last year, Nevada, who is going to be top ten this year as they are loaded and SDSU.

MW has a challenge going already with MVC.


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when i say bids, i mean deserve bids.....only 1 team in the mwc was getting an atlarge or even remotely close... sdsu doesnt get an nit bid if it didnt win its conference tourney...

ps the mwc mvc challenge is ending after this year

(06-08-2018 02:54 PM)shocks21 Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  the mw hate is petty. love me some mountain west hoops. always have

mw would be fine but its just too far to go for most for bball to make it worth it. A10 would be a much better fit to me.

you don't think the mountain west is closer to more of our schools than the a10? all those schools are pretty much atlantic seaboard whereas the mountain west offers some geographical flux. i like the a10 as well, but they're just a bit too mid major. but i'd be fine with it

For those considering who would be the best non-P5/Big East Challenge opponent...

# of tourney bids since the AAC's inaugural season (2013-2014):

A10: 18
MWC: 9
WCC: 8

The A10 has been good but they’ve also been pummeled as of late in the coaching carousel. I’d personally like to see how VCU, Dayton and URI rebound after losing Wade, Miller and Hurley.

I am in no way advocating a challenge with A10. I was just responding to someone who said the A10 was "a bit too mid major" in comparison to the MWC.

(06-08-2018 12:46 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 12:01 PM)Lush Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:51 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 11:45 AM)Lush Wrote:  the mw hate is petty. love me some mountain west hoops. always have

mw would be fine but its just too far to go for most for bball to make it worth it. A10 would be a much better fit to me.

you don't think the mountain west is closer to more of our schools than the a10? all those schools are pretty much atlantic seaboard whereas the mountain west offers some geographical flux. i like the a10 as well, but they're just a bit too mid major. but i'd be fine with it

For those considering who would be the best non-P5/Big East Challenge opponent...

# of tourney bids since the AAC's inaugural season (2013-2014):

A10: 18
MWC: 9
WCC: 8

Hypothetical match ups

A10 vs AAC distance by miles:
UMass vs UConn 50
VCU vs UCF 744
George Washinton vs USF 892
URI vs Temple 255
St Joes vs Cincy 564
Fordham vs ECU 522
Dayton vs Memphis 524
Davidson vs Tulane 729
St Bonaventure vs SMU 1023
George Mason vs Houston 1394
St Louis vs Wichita St 446
Richmond vs Tulsa 1214




These are shortest distances from our furthest west schools to their closest MW opponent in miles:
503 Wichita to Colorado Springs
573 Wichita to Ft. Collins
647 Dallas to Albuquerqure
650 Tulsa to Albuquerque
675 Tulsa to Colorado Springs
742 Dallas to Colorado Springs
886 Houston to Albuquerque


Distance to travel and level of play I'd say the A10 is a much better fit. They have way more tournament bids and with out using the closest schools 6 of the match ups are closer than the minimum 600 any school would have to travel (assuming SMU, Wichita, Tulsa, and Houston would be sent to the fathest west MW schools to minimize travel) for a MW match up.

I would like to see us schedule both the new Big East and the A10 for a challenge. The Big East before Christmas when several teams already play (Cincy/X, Temple/Villanova, UConn/St John's) to get the early east coast attention and the A10 in early February for late season RPI boosts.

A10 makes the most sense IMHO.

UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Houston, WSU, SMU, Tulsa, etc vs teams like Rhode Island, VCU, Davidson, St Joes, Dayton, George Mason, Richmond, UMass, etc would be fun.

plus, we both have deals with ESPN/CBS so our TV partners would be happy about it.

(06-08-2018 03:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  A10 makes the most sense IMHO.

UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Houston, WSU, SMU, Tulsa, etc vs teams like Rhode Island, VCU, Davidson, St Joes, Dayton, George Mason, Richmond, UMass, etc would be fun.

plus, we both have deals with ESPN/CBS so our TV partners would be happy about it.

Someone unban Cold please. This talk needs to stop.

(06-08-2018 04:09 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 03:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  A10 makes the most sense IMHO.

UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Houston, WSU, SMU, Tulsa, etc vs teams like Rhode Island, VCU, Davidson, St Joes, Dayton, George Mason, Richmond, UMass, etc would be fun.

plus, we both have deals with ESPN/CBS so our TV partners would be happy about it.

Someone unban Cold please. This talk needs to stop.

(06-08-2018 04:12 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 04:09 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 03:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  A10 makes the most sense IMHO.

UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Houston, WSU, SMU, Tulsa, etc vs teams like Rhode Island, VCU, Davidson, St Joes, Dayton, George Mason, Richmond, UMass, etc would be fun.

plus, we both have deals with ESPN/CBS so our TV partners would be happy about it.

Someone unban Cold please. This talk needs to stop.

i kinda miss cold too,

secondly where does a person find unlimited real housewives meme/gifs

(06-08-2018 05:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  i kinda miss cold too,

secondly where does a person find unlimited real housewives meme/gifs

On HuskyU's hard drive in his little house wife's shrine he has oddly hidden from his actual wife, in his actual house.

It's an igngma, warped into a puzzle, surround by a mystery of fate. Some yin and yang dao of the highest order.

As far as Co|d, not a fan, moved from the upper Midwest for a reason, winter sucks. . . Wait you mean that wheat head? Oh yeah he sucks too

The hate isn't as real anymore though...and I miss the extra activity his lil tag alongs had when he was here.

I hope when the fall rolls around we see plenty of BC#1 and Panic though. They bring out the best in Pony who just probably needs a Snickers. . .

(06-08-2018 08:17 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 05:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  i kinda miss cold too,

secondly where does a person find unlimited real housewives meme/gifs

On HuskyU's hard drive in his little house wife's shrine he has oddly hidden from his actual wife, in his actual house.

It's an igngma, warped into a puzzle, surround by a mystery of fate. Some yin and yang dao of the highest order.

As far as Co|d, not a fan, moved from the upper Midwest for a reason, winter sucks. . . Wait you mean that wheat head? Oh yeah he sucks too

The hate isn't as real anymore though...and I miss the extra activity his lil tag alongs had when he was here.

I hope when the fall rolls around we see plenty of BC#1 and Panic though. They bring out the best in Pony who just probably needs a Snickers. . .

I agree this place can be kind of empty durin the off-season


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(06-08-2018 08:17 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 05:58 PM)pesik Wrote:  i kinda miss cold too,

secondly where does a person find unlimited real housewives meme/gifs

On HuskyU's hard drive in his little house wife's shrine he has oddly hidden from his actual wife, in his actual house.

It's an igngma, warped into a puzzle, surround by a mystery of fate. Some yin and yang dao of the highest order.

As far as Co|d, not a fan, moved from the upper Midwest for a reason, winter sucks. . . Wait you mean that wheat head? Oh yeah he sucks too

The hate isn't as real anymore though...and I miss the extra activity his lil tag alongs had when he was here.

I hope when the fall rolls around we see plenty of BC#1 and Panic though. They bring out the best in Pony who just probably needs a Snickers. . .

Great post, TU4ever

These are some great ideas, and it seems the A10 makes the most sense, in all honesty. I personally think it's a way to have these regional matchups and benefit off the RPI without over-bloating the basketball side of the conference.

Why not a ménage à trois with the WCC included too? This could be a way to lure BYU into a football only invite?

(06-08-2018 04:09 PM)AndShock Wrote:  

(06-08-2018 03:47 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  A10 makes the most sense IMHO.

UConn, Cincy, Memphis, Temple, Houston, WSU, SMU, Tulsa, etc vs teams like Rhode Island, VCU, Davidson, St Joes, Dayton, George Mason, Richmond, UMass, etc would be fun.

plus, we both have deals with ESPN/CBS so our TV partners would be happy about it.

Someone unban Cold please. This talk needs to stop.

here here! he's the henry rollins of this board

I think we should avoid a scheduling alliance with the MWC. Not because we share little geography with them (obviously, I advocate one with the WCC), or because we want to avoid helping their RPI, but rather I think if we can't create a scheduling alliance with the P5, we shouldn't readily associate with the G4. If we schedule a high major non-FBS league, I think it's the best chance to get better RPI matchups with the least impact to the American brand.

That being said, possible matchups:

Rhode Island, St. Bonny's, Dayton, VCU, UMass, Saint Louis, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, and a bunch of regional matchups within the A10.

(06-09-2018 12:44 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  I think we should avoid a scheduling alliance with the MWC. Not because we share little geography with them (obviously, I advocate one with the WCC), or because we want to avoid helping their RPI, but rather I think if we can't create a scheduling alliance with the P5, we shouldn't readily associate with the G4. If we schedule a high major non-FBS league, I think it's the best chance to get better RPI matchups with the least impact to the American brand.

That being said, possible matchups:

Rhode Island, St. Bonny's, Dayton, VCU, UMass, Saint Louis, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, BYU, and a bunch of regional matchups within the A10.

but that really only appeals to us and temple and maybe be cincy. Im not saying this is my idea. But i feel like the C-USA is the best choice for the region we aare in. Id rather play against the A10 for obvious reason. But our conference has more history with the C-USA since alot of our members were in that conference at one point or another. With that being said i still think we should if have to play a g4 conference we should go after the A10. But i think fan support would be the best against the Cusa for most of the conference