A helluva game but Auburn loses 3-2 to Florida in extras. Florida goes to the CWS.

(06-11-2018 10:56 PM)JRsec Wrote:  A helluva game but Auburn loses 3-2 to Florida in extras. Florida goes to the CWS.

I watched the extra innings and was pulling for Auburn. But the defending champs are still defending.

Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

I'm not sure there is a major sport where there isn't a dominant P5 presence.

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

Big West teams usually do well in the tournament. This was a down year for them.

If there is a trend over the last 20 years, it's that many P5 schools are investing some of their football/basketball revenue in other sports, and more of them are trying to excel in sports in which they were only going through the motions 20 years ago.

Is it just me, or are these playoff games taking an awfully long time to finish? Sometimes it feels like I could switch to a half hour sitcom and when I switch back it's still the same inning as when I left.

(06-09-2018 02:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  As the Super-Regionals unfold, we'll be filling out the lineup for the CWS.

North Carolina is the first SR winner, beating Stetson 7-4 on Friday and 7-5 today to clinch a trip to Omaha. This is the Tar Heel's fourth trip to the CWS in the past 10 years, and 10th overall, but the Heels have not yet won the national title.

Oregon State sweeps Minnesota to return to Omaha. OST won back to back national titles in 2006 and 2007.

Washington defeats CS - Fullerton in game three to advance to their first CWS!

Mississippi State beats Vanderbilt in extra innings to advance to CWS! This is MSST's 10th CWS, they were runners-up five years ago.

Texas earns a trip to the CWS by beating Tennessee Tech, 5-2. Texas is one of the true baseball blue bloods, with 6 national championships. Tennessee Tech's great seasons ends, they won 53 games this year, the most in the country.

Texas Tech knocks off Duke to make the CWS. Fourth trip this decade.

Arkansas beats South Carolina to make their 9th CWS . Arkansas was national runner up in 1979.

Florida, the defending national champs, beat Auburn to return to the CWS.

BTW, North Carolina was national runner-up to Oregon State in '06 and '07, making this their 7th trip to the CWS in the last 13 years.

(06-12-2018 11:25 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

Big West teams usually do well in the tournament. This was a down year for them.

If there is a trend over the last 20 years, it's that many P5 schools are investing some of their football/basketball revenue in other sports, and more of them are trying to excel in sports in which they were only going through the motions 20 years ago.

I believe that the P schools are sinking more money into baseball. Facilities have improved and there are now conference standard for baseball and softball venues. It's not that the G5 and traditionally smaller but strong baseball programs are worse, they aren't. It's that you have so many more P schools in each P conference that are making a push in these sports. Eventually the money is going to widen the gap here as well and we are beginning to see that. Baseball depth has always been a part of the PAC, SEC, and old SWC schools. But the ACC is getting much deeper in baseball and now the Big 10 is making a deliberate push as well.

So it's not that the Cal State's and Stetson's of the world are being depleted of recruits. There is still a nice pool of baseball talent out there and they'll still be able in a great year to make it to the series. But its the facilities race in the sport that will eventually hurt them. And as baseball coaches salaries rise those fantastic coaches at traditional baseball schools will be hired away. Kind of like what Texas did when they poached Augie.

(06-12-2018 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  And as baseball coaches salaries rise those fantastic coaches at traditional baseball schools will be hired away. Kind of like what Texas did when they poached Augie.

The last three head coaches at Fullerton, before their current coach Vanderhook, were hired away by Texas, Oregon, and Tennessee respectively.

(06-12-2018 01:12 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 11:25 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

Big West teams usually do well in the tournament. This was a down year for them.

If there is a trend over the last 20 years, it's that many P5 schools are investing some of their football/basketball revenue in other sports, and more of them are trying to excel in sports in which they were only going through the motions 20 years ago.

I believe that the P schools are sinking more money into baseball. Facilities have improved and there are now conference standard for baseball and softball venues. It's not that the G5 and traditionally smaller but strong baseball programs are worse, they aren't. It's that you have so many more P schools in each P conference that are making a push in these sports. Eventually the money is going to widen the gap here as well and we are beginning to see that. Baseball depth has always been a part of the PAC, SEC, and old SWC schools. But the ACC is getting much deeper in baseball and now the Big 10 is making a deliberate push as well.

So it's not that the Cal State's and Stetson's of the world are being depleted of recruits. There is still a nice pool of baseball talent out there and they'll still be able in a great year to make it to the series. But its the facilities race in the sport that will eventually hurt them. And as baseball coaches salaries rise those fantastic coaches at traditional baseball schools will be hired away. Kind of like what Texas did when they poached Augie.

OTOH, Mike Gillespie coached at USC for 20 years (won a national championship in 1998) and after being let go, went to UC Irvine for another decade. Speaking of Augie, he previously left Cal State Fullerton for Illinois and then came back to Fullerton.

As recently as 2014 the Big West earned four bids. 2013 and 2016 - three bids. It's a little early to say the BW will be left behind. This is what, the 2nd time in the millenium it has not produced an at-large?

California as a whole has the talent pool and weather year round. each school in the state won't be affected as much by the facilities race.

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

It should have been three in 2016, but your ECU mates couldn't finish off Texas Tech. Interestingly enough, that year ESPN called the Big West a P5 in baseball.

(06-12-2018 02:49 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

It should have been three in 2016, but your ECU mates couldn't finish off Texas Tech. Interestingly enough, that year ESPN called the Big West a P5 in baseball.

Well they essentially are. I'd love to see them have a challenge with the Big 10 in baseball.

(06-12-2018 12:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  Is it just me, or are these playoff games taking an awfully long time to finish? Sometimes it feels like I could switch to a half hour sitcom and when I switch back it's still the same inning as when I left.

No, you are correct. These college baseball games are played old-school style, without much emphasis on speeding up play.

If the catcher and pitcher want to chew the fat on the mound with the third base coach for 5 minutes, everyone just stands around and watches, LOL.

(06-12-2018 11:25 AM)Wedge Wrote:  If there is a trend over the last 20 years, it's that many P5 schools are investing some of their football/basketball revenue in other sports, and more of them are trying to excel in sports in which they were only going through the motions 20 years ago.

IMO, the biggest trend of the past 28 years is the rise of the SEC. For the first 43 years of the CWS, from 1947 - 1989, the SEC never won a national championship.

Since 1990, the SEC has won 11 of the last 28 titles.

Basically, the western schools have surrendered some space to the SEC. From 1965 - 1989, schools from California and Arizona won 19 of the 25 national titles. Since 1990, they've won 6 of 28.

Still a major force, but they don't totally dominate any more.

(06-12-2018 03:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 02:49 PM)jdgaucho Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 09:27 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 08:50 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Appears to be a P5 in baseball.

Well, a P4, because the B1G almost never gets in - last team was Indiana in 2013, before that Michigan in 1984.

This is the first year since 2013 that all the CWS teams come from power conferences - in 2013 the Big East/American had a team in, but they were a power conference that year. It's the first year since 2010 that all of them come from the current P5.

Typically, there is 1 non-power team, usually a "Cal-State" team, and in some years, like 2011 and 2016, two non-power teams get in, but that's usually the maximum number. No question, the big conferences, sans the B1G, dominate the CWS.

It should have been three in 2016, but your ECU mates couldn't finish off Texas Tech. Interestingly enough, that year ESPN called the Big West a P5 in baseball.

Well they essentially are. I'd love to see them have a challenge with the Big 10 in baseball.

A Nebraska-UC Riverside series would pit two former Angels teammates against each other as head coaches. Darin Erstad and Troy Percival, respectively. Both of whom were on the 2002 Angels WS winning roster.

(06-11-2018 07:56 PM)bullet Wrote:  CWS appearances (*in this year or still alive (as of 8:30 pm 6/11; xlost in superregionals)
1. Texas 36*
2. Miami 25
3. FSU 22
3. Arizona St. 22
5. USC 21
6. Ok. St. 20
7. CSU-Fullerton 18x
8. LSU 18
9. Arizona 17
10. Stanford 16
11. Clemson 12
11. Florida 12*
12. South Carolina 11x
12. North Carolina 11*
15. Miss. St. 10*
15. Oklahoma 10
15. No. Colorado 10
18. Arkansas 9*
19. Oregon St. 7*
19. Rice 7
19. Wichita St. 7
19. Maine 7
19. Michigan 7
6 schools tied at 6 for 24-29.

Other schools still alive-Washington 1, Texas Tech 3

Updated