(06-12-2018 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: All of this talk about higher attendance schools is bull****...it means nothing when it comes to fans traveling to a conference tourney. At most maybe a 10% increase from those fanbases if its closer. So we are only talking about 50 to 100 fans or a total of 300 to 600 new fans from all the schools with higher attendance.
From my experience in the CUSA tourney and SBC tourney only three schools in CUSA is going to bring 400+ fans unless it's in a teams backyard or a 4 hour or less drive.
Those 3 schools would be
Marshall
Middle
Western
You might add a 3 others if they are having great seasons and its with in driving range
Tech
UTEP
ODU
Traveling to a conference over 5 hours away will reduce fan travel by 60 to 70% because you are getting into the fly zone for most travelers.
When you think about cost just to get there and room and food you are committing a $1000+ dollars and your team has a chance to lose in round 1. That doesn't take into account week day games and taking off work.
There's not enough fans in this conference that is willing to commit a $1000+ dollars and time off work (most likely vacation time) to make a difference in attendance. The only thing to make a difference would be like we saw in B'ham.
The home team and the next closes (easy drive) team being favorites and moving through the brackets.
Fans love to ***** and cry....if it was here or there I would be at the tourney. I say bull**** to anything over 10% increase on 3 hours or less drive. The only other thing to increase attendance by that 10 to 15% is a destination city (like New Orleans) or a beach area with warm weather. Then you might have 15% more fans willing to take vacation time and money....
thats it
UTEP is not in driving range of anywhere.
Correct but I'm sure their fans are use to that and I have faith that they will show up at the very least in the few hundreds if having a good season and competing for a CUSA championship
(06-12-2018 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: All of this talk about higher attendance schools is bull****...it means nothing when it comes to fans traveling to a conference tourney. At most maybe a 10% increase from those fanbases if its closer. So we are only talking about 50 to 100 fans or a total of 300 to 600 new fans from all the schools with higher attendance.
From my experience in the CUSA tourney and SBC tourney only three schools in CUSA is going to bring 400+ fans unless it's in a teams backyard or a 4 hour or less drive.
Those 3 schools would be
Marshall
Middle
Western
You might add a 3 others if they are having great seasons and its with in driving range
Tech
UTEP
ODU
Traveling to a conference over 5 hours away will reduce fan travel by 60 to 70% because you are getting into the fly zone for most travelers.
When you think about cost just to get there and room and food you are committing a $1000+ dollars and your team has a chance to lose in round 1. That doesn't take into account week day games and taking off work.
There's not enough fans in this conference that is willing to commit a $1000+ dollars and time off work (most likely vacation time) to make a difference in attendance. The only thing to make a difference would be like we saw in B'ham.
The home team and the next closes (easy drive) team being favorites and moving through the brackets.
Fans love to ***** and cry....if it was here or there I would be at the tourney. I say bull**** to anything over 10% increase on 3 hours or less drive. The only other thing to increase attendance by that 10 to 15% is a destination city (like New Orleans) or a beach area with warm weather. Then you might have 15% more fans willing to take vacation time and money....
thats it
Bull crap......if Charloitte is even remotely decent, we will bring more than that to MB for sure. I know Charlotte has been down in mens bball since our return to CUSA, but do you guys have NO memory of what Charlotte can be (has been)?
Even FAU is out drawing UNCC at home in actual butts. Hell you could go as far to say Western had more fans at FAU than UNCC had at home vs Western. So yeah it's hard to remember
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2018 10:41 AM by WKUYG.)
(06-12-2018 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: All of this talk about higher attendance schools is bull****...it means nothing when it comes to fans traveling to a conference tourney. At most maybe a 10% increase from those fanbases if its closer. So we are only talking about 50 to 100 fans or a total of 300 to 600 new fans from all the schools with higher attendance.
From my experience in the CUSA tourney and SBC tourney only three schools in CUSA is going to bring 400+ fans unless it's in a teams backyard or a 4 hour or less drive.
Those 3 schools would be
Marshall
Middle
Western
You might add a 3 others if they are having great seasons and its with in driving range
Tech
UTEP
ODU
Traveling to a conference over 5 hours away will reduce fan travel by 60 to 70% because you are getting into the fly zone for most travelers.
When you think about cost just to get there and room and food you are committing a $1000+ dollars and your team has a chance to lose in round 1. That doesn't take into account week day games and taking off work.
There's not enough fans in this conference that is willing to commit a $1000+ dollars and time off work (most likely vacation time) to make a difference in attendance. The only thing to make a difference would be like we saw in B'ham.
The home team and the next closes (easy drive) team being favorites and moving through the brackets.
Fans love to ***** and cry....if it was here or there I would be at the tourney. I say bull**** to anything over 10% increase on 3 hours or less drive. The only other thing to increase attendance by that 10 to 15% is a destination city (like New Orleans) or a beach area with warm weather. Then you might have 15% more fans willing to take vacation time and money....
(06-13-2018 12:54 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: I'm becoming more and more a fan of playing at the higher seed.
I am but I can also see how that would be an issue with a footprint like CUSA's. You could theoretically play in Miami one day, El Paso the second day and Norfolk the third day. Unless we run the tournament over two weeks or something.
(06-13-2018 12:54 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: I'm becoming more and more a fan of playing at the higher seed.
I am but I can also see how that would be an issue with a footprint like CUSA's. You could theoretically play in Miami one day, El Paso the second day and Norfolk the third day. Unless we run the tournament over two weeks or something.
Right, of course it wouldn't be back to back days. It would run over several days and fewer teams would be included. Ensures the top teams are playing against each other, doubling down on the scheduling change. So if you are a top team and you don't win the tournament, there's a very good chance you lost to a great team in the process. Not sure if it would make a difference at-large bid wise, but I just don't see how inviting every team to a central location with 500 fans is a better alternative.
(06-12-2018 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: All of this talk about higher attendance schools is bull****...it means nothing when it comes to fans traveling to a conference tourney. At most maybe a 10% increase from those fanbases if its closer. So we are only talking about 50 to 100 fans or a total of 300 to 600 new fans from all the schools with higher attendance.
From my experience in the CUSA tourney and SBC tourney only three schools in CUSA is going to bring 400+ fans unless it's in a teams backyard or a 4 hour or less drive.
Those 3 schools would be
Marshall
Middle
Western
You might add a 3 others if they are having great seasons and its with in driving range
Tech
UTEP
ODU
Traveling to a conference over 5 hours away will reduce fan travel by 60 to 70% because you are getting into the fly zone for most travelers.
When you think about cost just to get there and room and food you are committing a $1000+ dollars and your team has a chance to lose in round 1. That doesn't take into account week day games and taking off work.
There's not enough fans in this conference that is willing to commit a $1000+ dollars and time off work (most likely vacation time) to make a difference in attendance. The only thing to make a difference would be like we saw in B'ham.
The home team and the next closes (easy drive) team being favorites and moving through the brackets.
Fans love to ***** and cry....if it was here or there I would be at the tourney. I say bull**** to anything over 10% increase on 3 hours or less drive. The only other thing to increase attendance by that 10 to 15% is a destination city (like New Orleans) or a beach area with warm weather. Then you might have 15% more fans willing to take vacation time and money....
thats it
Bull crap......if Charloitte is even remotely decent, we will bring more than that to MB for sure. I know Charlotte has been down in mens bball since our return to CUSA, but do you guys have NO memory of what Charlotte can be (has been)?
This is my memory of UNCC from 2015....maybe 400 fans for a home game. Hell even at 3 games under .500 a basketball school that can only get 400 fans to travel a few miles and maybe $20 to a home game....
I have no faith they will travel 4 hours and spend hundreds of dollars in large numbers. Even in a time that fans are revolting and want a coaching change the butts should never be under a couple thousand. For a basketball school.
Hell S.Miss a football school had at least a couple thousand vs Western and they were 6-14 and hadn't won a game in well over a month.
BS on this entire post. Many MORE fans showed up than that lame ass video showed. I have been going to games since the 80s have never seen a crowd like that during the actual game. Hell, we sent 6000+ to a freakin soccer game in Alabama a few years ago and averaged 7-8000 per game for many years while WKY was still screwing around in the SB.
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2018 02:40 PM by PSCNiner.)
(06-12-2018 03:21 PM)WKUYG Wrote: All of this talk about higher attendance schools is bull****...it means nothing when it comes to fans traveling to a conference tourney. At most maybe a 10% increase from those fanbases if its closer. So we are only talking about 50 to 100 fans or a total of 300 to 600 new fans from all the schools with higher attendance.
From my experience in the CUSA tourney and SBC tourney only three schools in CUSA is going to bring 400+ fans unless it's in a teams backyard or a 4 hour or less drive.
Those 3 schools would be
Marshall
Middle
Western
You might add a 3 others if they are having great seasons and its with in driving range
Tech
UTEP
ODU
Traveling to a conference over 5 hours away will reduce fan travel by 60 to 70% because you are getting into the fly zone for most travelers.
When you think about cost just to get there and room and food you are committing a $1000+ dollars and your team has a chance to lose in round 1. That doesn't take into account week day games and taking off work.
There's not enough fans in this conference that is willing to commit a $1000+ dollars and time off work (most likely vacation time) to make a difference in attendance. The only thing to make a difference would be like we saw in B'ham.
The home team and the next closes (easy drive) team being favorites and moving through the brackets.
Fans love to ***** and cry....if it was here or there I would be at the tourney. I say bull**** to anything over 10% increase on 3 hours or less drive. The only other thing to increase attendance by that 10 to 15% is a destination city (like New Orleans) or a beach area with warm weather. Then you might have 15% more fans willing to take vacation time and money....
thats it
Bull crap......if Charloitte is even remotely decent, we will bring more than that to MB for sure. I know Charlotte has been down in mens bball since our return to CUSA, but do you guys have NO memory of what Charlotte can be (has been)?
This is my memory of UNCC from 2015....maybe 400 fans for a home game. Hell even at 3 games under .500 a basketball school that can only get 400 fans to travel a few miles and maybe $20 to a home game....
I have no faith they will travel 4 hours and spend hundreds of dollars in large numbers. Even in a time that fans are revolting and want a coaching change the butts should never be under a couple thousand. For a basketball school.
Hell S.Miss a football school had at least a couple thousand vs Western and they were 6-14 and hadn't won a game in well over a month.
BS on this entire post. Many MORE fans showed up than that lame ass video showed. I have been going to games since the 80s have never seen a crowd like that during the actual game. Hell, we sent 6000+ to a freakin soccer game in Alabama a few years ago and averaged 7-8000 per game for many years while WKY was still screwing around in the SB.
So when did they show up? That video was right before tip (maybe 5 minutes) and to be honest I dont think there were 400 fans. So if you double it still less than 800 and maybe 50 of those were Western fans.
I guess you failed to show up for this game but I will look and see if I can find video during the game. I'm sure I took some because your students were hackling the hell out of CHD. Actually got under his skin and affected his play
No question that Charlotte's crowds are down significantly, that is one of the big reasons we just changed our AD and Coaches. However, like PSC says, that video is not accurately representing the true attendance. At 5 minutes before tip we have probably a thousand fans in the hospitality suites above and below the court getting that last drink before going in for the game. We need the liquid courage to sit through the games. Even at 3000 fans we are, and should be, embarrassed by our attendance.
I have had Charlotte season tickets for 26 years and can promise you if we get back to being one of the top 3 teams in the conference we will have the attendance to match. In the C-USA 1.0 days we averaged over 7000 per game, and the school has almost doubled the enrollment since then. I went to 5 of the C-USA 1.0 tournaments during our 10 years there, and we typically had 300-400 there for the first game, and if we made it to the weekend that doubled.
Like everything, winning will solve this problem. Here's hoping!
(06-13-2018 12:54 PM)THUNDERGround Wrote: I'm becoming more and more a fan of playing at the higher seed.
I am but I can also see how that would be an issue with a footprint like CUSA's. You could theoretically play in Miami one day, El Paso the second day and Norfolk the third day. Unless we run the tournament over two weeks or something.
You could split it into pod tournaments. The top 3 or 4 seeds host 3 or 4 teams each and then move the finals into a destination.
(06-13-2018 03:53 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: No question that Charlotte's crowds are down significantly, that is one of the big reasons we just changed our AD and Coaches. However, like PSC says, that video is not accurately representing the true attendance. At 5 minutes before tip we have probably a thousand fans in the hospitality suites above and below the court getting that last drink before going in for the game. We need the liquid courage to sit through the games. Even at 3000 fans we are, and should be, embarrassed by our attendance.
I have had Charlotte season tickets for 26 years and can promise you if we get back to being one of the top 3 teams in the conference we will have the attendance to match. In the C-USA 1.0 days we averaged over 7000 per game, and the school has almost doubled the enrollment since then. I went to 5 of the C-USA 1.0 tournaments during our 10 years there, and we typically had 300-400 there for the first game, and if we made it to the weekend that doubled.
Like everything, winning will solve this problem. Here's hoping!
(06-13-2018 03:53 PM)Nugget49er Wrote: No question that Charlotte's crowds are down significantly, that is one of the big reasons we just changed our AD and Coaches. However, like PSC says, that video is not accurately representing the true attendance. At 5 minutes before tip we have probably a thousand fans in the hospitality suites above and below the court getting that last drink before going in for the game. We need the liquid courage to sit through the games. Even at 3000 fans we are, and should be, embarrassed by our attendance.
I have had Charlotte season tickets for 26 years and can promise you if we get back to being one of the top 3 teams in the conference we will have the attendance to match. In the C-USA 1.0 days we averaged over 7000 per game, and the school has almost doubled the enrollment since then. I went to 5 of the C-USA 1.0 tournaments during our 10 years there, and we typically had 300-400 there for the first game, and if we made it to the weekend that doubled.
Like everything, winning will solve this problem. Here's hoping!
(06-12-2018 09:57 AM)Auburn_Blazer Wrote: I doubt Nashville ever happens since the SEC is locked in there for the next 30 years (with some off seasons every so often). Would much prefer Myrtle to the gymnasium fiasco, although from what I've heard it'll be difficult to get the Texas schools and La Tech to vote on locations further east.
The western schools need to cater to the schools that care about basketball and have the highest attendance and successful programs....Our bowl schedule is catered to those western schools....
The bowl schedule isn’t catered to the west. That’s where all the games are. There just aren’t many games in the east outside of Florida...and the ones that are there won’t affiliate with cusa.
