While the Grizzlies making the playoffs seven years in a row was nice, it was very Atlanta like. 4 total series wins.

Simply seeems with the 18 year NBA history in Memphis someone from there should be on our mountain. Gasol seems reasoned.

But...screw it.

Finch
DeAngelo
Penny
Keith Lee

Done.

The hard part is gauging the other folks...Middlecoff, Parlow, Kennedy McKinney, Dave Wottle, Rochelle Stevens (all world champs or gold medalists at their sport), Charlie Lea (high school, college, Chicks, and MLB all star starter and then Redbirds announcer) and balance accomplishments both locally and nationally and take into consideration pop culture appeal and real high-level accomplishments.

(06-14-2018 09:21 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 06:43 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 12:06 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Mount Rushmore people.

That is used in today's sports parlance to mean more than an obscure but great player.

It is reserved for the obvious. Especially when the obvious were also great players and in many cases, humanitarians or other contributors.

Finch, DeAngelo and Penny just seem locks. After that certainly arguable. Gasol simply has a lengthier tenure in Memphis, and while ZBO was good and important, he I should not exactly LeBron.

Finch isn’t John Wooden, Deangelo isn’t Barry Sanders and Penny isn’t Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

To Memphis they are.

And the reference to ZBO was dealing with Gasol. He is simply not head and shoulders better, if better at all, and has less tenure here.

If he was LeBron, clearly a better player than Gasol, it would matter. He was not.

Memphis.
Memphis.

Zbo was better than Gasol every season he was here except for his last two when he was older. Marc will never be as beloved as Zbo and he wasn’t more important to the teams success than Zbo.

I’m feel like I’m discussing this with people who don’t follow the Grizzlies

Seems like we are dealing with a ZBO fan.

(06-15-2018 05:49 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 09:21 PM)Mimi Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 06:43 AM)Dynamos Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 12:06 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Mount Rushmore people.

That is used in today's sports parlance to mean more than an obscure but great player.

It is reserved for the obvious. Especially when the obvious were also great players and in many cases, humanitarians or other contributors.

Finch, DeAngelo and Penny just seem locks. After that certainly arguable. Gasol simply has a lengthier tenure in Memphis, and while ZBO was good and important, he I should not exactly LeBron.

Finch isn’t John Wooden, Deangelo isn’t Barry Sanders and Penny isn’t Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

To Memphis they are.

And the reference to ZBO was dealing with Gasol. He is simply not head and shoulders better, if better at all, and has less tenure here.

If he was LeBron, clearly a better player than Gasol, it would matter. He was not.

Memphis.
Memphis.

Zbo was better than Gasol every season he was here except for his last two when he was older. Marc will never be as beloved as Zbo and he wasn’t more important to the teams success than Zbo.

I’m feel like I’m discussing this with people who don’t follow the Grizzlies

Zbo out in 2011-12: Grizz 24-14 (.632) without Zbo. 17-11 (.607) with him.

Marc out in 2013-14: Grizz 10-12 (.455) without Marc. 40-19 (.678) with him.

Just sayin'.

(06-15-2018 08:09 AM)Mimi Wrote:  Seems like we are dealing with a ZBO fan.

I’m a Grizzlies fan. Go to the Grizzlies board and ask them Marc or Zbo and come back and tell me what the majority picks. Zbo is a Memphis Sports legend

https://www.google.com/amp/s/bealestreet...mphis/amp/

(06-13-2018 09:51 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:45 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I question whether Larry Finch is as automatic as some on this thread claim. We all love Larry, met him a couple of times and he was a gentleman. Kind of depends of how you define it, I guess. Is is the body of accomplishment, or only the accomplishment while playing for, or coaching or owning a Memphis team?

But, as I prepare to duck, Finch wasn't even the best player on the '72-'73 team. Larry Kenon averaged 20 points and 17 rebounds per game, and was MVC player of the year that season and made the NCAA all tournament team. Finch was the best player of the Clean Gene era, but Kenon was the best player on the runner-up team. Larry never played in the NBA, while Special K played 12 seasons in the ABA/NBA, was a 3-time ABA and 2-time NBA All Star. Kenon still holds the record for most steals in an NBA game, 11.

Harry Schuh was a 2-time All American at Memphis, was the 3rd overall overall in the '65 NFL draft, two picks behind Joe Namath. Played 10 seasons in the NFL, made the equivalent of 3 Pro Bowl teams, and is on the Raiders all-time team. And Schuh lived in Memphis after his playing career ended, like Middlecoff did.

And I go back to not just impact within 901, but around the country. Penny and Lawler and Middlecoff in his day had much more impact nationally. Put Larry 4th instead of Fred Smith or Heisley or Schuh or Win Wilfong or ZBo of D'Angelo, but it's not a slam dunk, imo.

Question all you want.

Here are the answers.
1) Scored 1,869 points in 3 seasons
2) Highest scoring average in school history- 22.3/game
3) Averaged 24 points/game in 72-73. Kenon averaged 20 points
4) Averaged 26 points/game in 72-73 NCAA tournament
5) Scored 29 points in 73 championship game. Kenon scored 20 points
6) 72-73 NCAA all tournament team; Midwest Region MVP
7) All time winnigest coach in school history- 220 wins
8) Born and raised here
9) Brought Keith Lee, Penny Hardaway, Elliot Perry, Lorenzen Wright here

Nothing else he could have done. He gave everything he had to his school and his city.

All you had to do was listen to the eulogy at his funeral given by Elliot, Penny and Andre, and you would know.

And I love Larry Kenon by the way.

At first glance, the only thing I question is your claim he brought Keith Lee here. That was Dana Kirk. Larry was an assistant and may have been the recruiter, but legend has it a shoe box was more instrumental in his choosing Memphis - that and U of Ark threatening A-State if he signed there.

In the trunk of a new camaro possibly ?

Jimmy Hart

(06-15-2018 10:46 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:51 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:45 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I question whether Larry Finch is as automatic as some on this thread claim. We all love Larry, met him a couple of times and he was a gentleman. Kind of depends of how you define it, I guess. Is is the body of accomplishment, or only the accomplishment while playing for, or coaching or owning a Memphis team?

But, as I prepare to duck, Finch wasn't even the best player on the '72-'73 team. Larry Kenon averaged 20 points and 17 rebounds per game, and was MVC player of the year that season and made the NCAA all tournament team. Finch was the best player of the Clean Gene era, but Kenon was the best player on the runner-up team. Larry never played in the NBA, while Special K played 12 seasons in the ABA/NBA, was a 3-time ABA and 2-time NBA All Star. Kenon still holds the record for most steals in an NBA game, 11.

Harry Schuh was a 2-time All American at Memphis, was the 3rd overall overall in the '65 NFL draft, two picks behind Joe Namath. Played 10 seasons in the NFL, made the equivalent of 3 Pro Bowl teams, and is on the Raiders all-time team. And Schuh lived in Memphis after his playing career ended, like Middlecoff did.

And I go back to not just impact within 901, but around the country. Penny and Lawler and Middlecoff in his day had much more impact nationally. Put Larry 4th instead of Fred Smith or Heisley or Schuh or Win Wilfong or ZBo of D'Angelo, but it's not a slam dunk, imo.

Question all you want.

Here are the answers.
1) Scored 1,869 points in 3 seasons
2) Highest scoring average in school history- 22.3/game
3) Averaged 24 points/game in 72-73. Kenon averaged 20 points
4) Averaged 26 points/game in 72-73 NCAA tournament
5) Scored 29 points in 73 championship game. Kenon scored 20 points
6) 72-73 NCAA all tournament team; Midwest Region MVP
7) All time winnigest coach in school history- 220 wins
8) Born and raised here
9) Brought Keith Lee, Penny Hardaway, Elliot Perry, Lorenzen Wright here

Nothing else he could have done. He gave everything he had to his school and his city.

All you had to do was listen to the eulogy at his funeral given by Elliot, Penny and Andre, and you would know.

And I love Larry Kenon by the way.

At first glance, the only thing I question is your claim he brought Keith Lee here. That was Dana Kirk. Larry was an assistant and may have been the recruiter, but legend has it a shoe box was more instrumental in his choosing Memphis - that and U of Ark threatening A-State if he signed there.

In the trunk of a new camaro possibly ?

And that’s what it is: urban legend.

(06-13-2018 03:38 PM)k2tigers Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 03:32 PM)dan o Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 11:20 AM)Tigx Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 11:19 AM)mairving Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 11:14 AM)k2tigers Wrote:  they mentioned athletes, not coaches / owners

Middlecoff was mentioned

J & J are doing it now, and say Larry, Penny and Z-Bo are non-negotiable

#4 is being discussed

Middlecoff would not be known by 95% of people. Get someone that people know. Keith Lee, DeAngelo or Bartow maybe.

Then make it Mt. Rushmore of the last 25 years. Otherwise, Middlecoff is most successful Memphis athlete.

Exactly. I've said the same thing for all the umpteen so called best in Tiger history lists that pop up every month or so. They should be qualified.

In reality, that type of so called history is typically limited to the memory of the individual voting. The best in Tiger history should not be bound by those limits.

dan o,

I agree, but this is all Memphis sports, not just Tigers

Thanks for the correction guys. Like I said, there have been so many before of the all time best Tigers.

The memory span is still the determining factor for most of these polls.

(06-15-2018 11:10 PM)Shooters Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 10:46 AM)TIGER DENO Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:51 AM)bbqtiger Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:45 AM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(06-12-2018 04:33 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I question whether Larry Finch is as automatic as some on this thread claim. We all love Larry, met him a couple of times and he was a gentleman. Kind of depends of how you define it, I guess. Is is the body of accomplishment, or only the accomplishment while playing for, or coaching or owning a Memphis team?

But, as I prepare to duck, Finch wasn't even the best player on the '72-'73 team. Larry Kenon averaged 20 points and 17 rebounds per game, and was MVC player of the year that season and made the NCAA all tournament team. Finch was the best player of the Clean Gene era, but Kenon was the best player on the runner-up team. Larry never played in the NBA, while Special K played 12 seasons in the ABA/NBA, was a 3-time ABA and 2-time NBA All Star. Kenon still holds the record for most steals in an NBA game, 11.

Harry Schuh was a 2-time All American at Memphis, was the 3rd overall overall in the '65 NFL draft, two picks behind Joe Namath. Played 10 seasons in the NFL, made the equivalent of 3 Pro Bowl teams, and is on the Raiders all-time team. And Schuh lived in Memphis after his playing career ended, like Middlecoff did.

And I go back to not just impact within 901, but around the country. Penny and Lawler and Middlecoff in his day had much more impact nationally. Put Larry 4th instead of Fred Smith or Heisley or Schuh or Win Wilfong or ZBo of D'Angelo, but it's not a slam dunk, imo.

Question all you want.

Here are the answers.
1) Scored 1,869 points in 3 seasons
2) Highest scoring average in school history- 22.3/game
3) Averaged 24 points/game in 72-73. Kenon averaged 20 points
4) Averaged 26 points/game in 72-73 NCAA tournament
5) Scored 29 points in 73 championship game. Kenon scored 20 points
6) 72-73 NCAA all tournament team; Midwest Region MVP
7) All time winnigest coach in school history- 220 wins
8) Born and raised here
9) Brought Keith Lee, Penny Hardaway, Elliot Perry, Lorenzen Wright here

Nothing else he could have done. He gave everything he had to his school and his city.

All you had to do was listen to the eulogy at his funeral given by Elliot, Penny and Andre, and you would know.

And I love Larry Kenon by the way.

At first glance, the only thing I question is your claim he brought Keith Lee here. That was Dana Kirk. Larry was an assistant and may have been the recruiter, but legend has it a shoe box was more instrumental in his choosing Memphis - that and U of Ark threatening A-State if he signed there.

In the trunk of a new camaro possibly ?

And that’s what it is: urban legend.

True. But it has been generally accepted as a probable occurrence. And yes, that is vagueness in that statement.