(06-14-2018 11:23 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:20 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This fear of the nebulous concept of “far-right” is ridiculous.

It's not a nebulous concept though in some areas. Our MSM has made reasonable people concerned with illegal immigration and welfare leaches seem to he far right/Nazis, bit there are true malicious far right/neo Nazis/white supremacists that should be cause for concern. More so abroad where there is a smaller population and obviously less reasonable people to contest them.

In your response you use a slash when pointing out who or what the "far-right" is.

Thats precisely the point. You can't name them other than to use another imprecise label.

I could list all of the far right political groups in the United States, but I'll just link this http://bfy.tw/Ibbb

Far Right is no more imprecise then the usage of liberals. There is no one group of liberals that all share the same ideals. But it is an effective and common way of referring to a broader group. You know exactly the kinds of groups people are referring to when they use the phrase far-right.

I don't.

I'm a devoted conservative, excepting a number of "I don't give a ****'s", but I fully support our Constitution, the idea of limited Government, especially on the Federal level, and the ideal that the ultimate power lies with the legal citizens of this once great Country.

Am I "far right"? I don't think so. I see that as sensible common sense. Mom, apple pie and Liberty. What group do people like me belong too?

Calling stereotypes like this "nebulous" is to tame a description. I'll bet even you can't tell us who, what or where any of these "groups" are or where they exist.


Democracies exist because the people have the right to decide who their "leaders" will be and (as once famously stated) elections have consequences.

Now, when things don't go the "right" way for certain folks they are trying to accomplish through the courts or re-education efforts what they couldn't accomplish at the ballot box.

Dangerous schit.

(06-14-2018 12:05 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:20 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This fear of the nebulous concept of “far-right” is ridiculous.

It's not a nebulous concept though in some areas. Our MSM has made reasonable people concerned with illegal immigration and welfare leaches seem to he far right/Nazis, bit there are true malicious far right/neo Nazis/white supremacists that should be cause for concern. More so abroad where there is a smaller population and obviously less reasonable people to contest them.

Uhhh, Bob?

do you even know what "NAZI" means? What it is basically an acronym for?

Damn.

Yes, I realize they were the national socialist party, but to pretend they were actually socialist and ever put policies in place that remotely mirrored true socialism is ignoring history. Nazi's then and groups that identify with Nazi principles now exude far more commonalities with modern day far right groups. The only aspect of socialism the Nazi's believed in was instead of removing the social class system, they turned it into a racial class system. I.E. take everything away from non-Aryan people. In fact, once Hitler was in power he hunted down left leaning socialists and communists to be sent to concentration camps.

The Nazi's were not left leaning socialists. They were right leaning nationalists. The only reason socialist was ever part of their name and ideology was to win over the workers of Germany in route to consolidating power. Once they had that power, their ideology was exposed as what it was, fascism.

(06-14-2018 12:21 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:23 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:20 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This fear of the nebulous concept of “far-right” is ridiculous.

It's not a nebulous concept though in some areas. Our MSM has made reasonable people concerned with illegal immigration and welfare leaches seem to he far right/Nazis, bit there are true malicious far right/neo Nazis/white supremacists that should be cause for concern. More so abroad where there is a smaller population and obviously less reasonable people to contest them.

In your response you use a slash when pointing out who or what the "far-right" is.

Thats precisely the point. You can't name them other than to use another imprecise label.

I could list all of the far right political groups in the United States, but I'll just link this http://bfy.tw/Ibbb

Far Right is no more imprecise then the usage of liberals. There is no one group of liberals that all share the same ideals. But it is an effective and common way of referring to a broader group. You know exactly the kinds of groups people are referring to when they use the phrase far-right.

I don't.

I'm a devoted conservative, excepting a number of "I don't give a ****'s", but I fully support our Constitution, the idea of limited Government, especially on the Federal level, and the ultimate power lies with the legal citizens of this once great Country.

Am I "far right"? I don't think so. I see that as sensible common sense. Mom, apple pie and Liberty. What group do people like me belong too?

Calling stereotypes like this "nebulous" is to tame a description. I'll bet even you can't tell us who, what or where any of these "groups" are or where they exist.


Democracies exist because the people have the right to decide who their "leaders" will be and (as once famously stated) elections have consequences.

Now, when things don't go the "right" way for certain folks they are tying to accomplish through the courts or re-education efforts what they couldn't accomplish at the ballot box.

Dangerous schit.

An intelligent one. I think conservatives like yourself have been demonized by progressives for so long you think any mention of the far right is an attack on all conservatives. It's just not the case for everyone. I can look at someone with your beliefs, respect and agree with many of them, but can also acknowledge that way down line behind you are some very bad people.

Are you honestly going to pretend that there are not white nationalist groups in this country?

Not pretending anything.

There are nuts in every apartment building, every school, street, shopping center. Equal parts right wingnuts and left wingnuts.

fortunately, most people are neither. There are a lot of very bad people on both sides of the extremes.

Point being, if the people of Germany have decided they don't like the direction their Country is headed they did precisely what they should do. Vote at the ballot box and change things up. They did. We clearly did. The Brits did.

That's not "far-right", that's democracy.

(06-13-2018 09:10 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 01:57 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  In all fairness, Germany has dark history with far right groups using minority classes to fuel hate. It was the jews before, now it's the muslims. Their country, their problem. They can handle it however they see fit.

Except this time around, Germany imported the minority class.

Man, trade a few words around and it sounds a lot like American history.

(06-14-2018 11:23 AM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-14-2018 11:11 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:20 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(06-13-2018 09:13 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  This fear of the nebulous concept of “far-right” is ridiculous.

It's not a nebulous concept though in some areas. Our MSM has made reasonable people concerned with illegal immigration and welfare leaches seem to he far right/Nazis, bit there are true malicious far right/neo Nazis/white supremacists that should be cause for concern. More so abroad where there is a smaller population and obviously less reasonable people to contest them.

In your response you use a slash when pointing out who or what the "far-right" is.

Thats precisely the point. You can't name them other than to use another imprecise label.

I could list all of the far right political groups in the United States, but I'll just link this http://bfy.tw/Ibbb

Far Right is no more imprecise then the usage of liberals. There is no one group of liberals that all share the same ideals. But it is an effective and common way of referring to a broader group. You know exactly the kinds of groups people are referring to when they use the phrase far-right.

Listing the names of the groups and grasping completely the ideology of them as a collective are two separate things.

I didn't use it as a relative term. That's a red herring.

No. You don't. That's the point. You know "them," nothing more. In the popular lexicon the use of the term far-right is nebulous and imprecise. You've not shown anything to the contrary--in fact you have buttressed that point.