(06-18-2018 08:26 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-15-2018 09:10 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Lazy Tom got a job at PMSNBC?

Muh camps!



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Does it really make a difference if kids are being ripped away from their parents at ICE control points or at railway sidings. This policy is the equivalent of if the US told Jewish refugees fleeing the pogroms of the Kristallnacht...'no room at the inn, go back to your death'. Which is actually what the US did, to our eternal shame then...and our eternal shame now.

Applying for asylum is not against the law. But lets not kid ourselves. Trump and ALL of his supporters now are in favor of using children as hostages and using inhumane treatment of children (!) as a deterrent to asylum requests. If I were involved in this in any way, I'd start to read up on the Crimes against Humanity caselaw.

These "baby jails" havent been fully vetted by non-Trumpers. The facility in Brownsville had a full week to clean it up after they refused the visit of Senator Merkeley.

This is going to be a scandal that will make Bush's response to Hurricane Katrina look tame in comparison.

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From a moral issue, this involves the following

1) Confirmation of the racist character of the Republican Party.
2) The end to any pretense by the evangelical supporters of Donald Trump that they care about parental rights, the safety of children, or that their claims that children belong with a mother and father aren't completely bogus and rooted solely in attacks on LGBT persons

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From a political standpoint, this is really counterproductive.

Its not going to be hard to find multiple stories that are just heartbreaking. From the disabled kid ripped from his only parent who is in severe crisis right now in ICE custody, to the kids who are experiencing documented mental anguish as a result of the separation, to the kids who are being bullied by other kids. You realize that a distraught or crying 4 year old cannot be hugged while in ICE custody? Add massive levels of untrained and unvetted 'jailers' oops I mean caregivers and you've got a recipe for some real scandals to come.

People are REALLY pissed over this. I mean in the 'making me look moderate' level of pissed. And many of the furious ones aren't just the 'never GOPers' etiher. Every single Congressional Candidate will be asked to publicly announce whether they'll sign the 'stand alone' stop separation bill discharge petition too.

Every Congressional Candidate is going to have to make a stand on this issue. And many of them will have to do so BEFORE the Republican primary/runoff.

Few are buying that this is the Democrats fault. The GOP holds control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency. They could end this, and the DACA crisis if they wanted to. Without any Democratic support.

The GOP gains nothing from this, politically. There's about 20 GOP seats that are put in significantly more jeopardy than before because of this. And these are seats that are at risk. If there's any benefit for the GOP anywhere, its not coming in toss up seats.

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Applying for asylum at the US border is NOT against the law.

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Finally, this policy doesn't really stop asylum seekers either. If you're being threatened with death by Honduran gangs, and the Honduran state cannot (or in the case of many women, or LGBT persons, will not) protect you, then you go to the border anyway. But this 'cruelty to small non-white children policy' makes racists on 4chan happy I suppose.

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Go home!

Problem solved!

Good grief. The hysteria

Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

Says the whitest, most privileged, self loathing guy in the room.

Just save it.

Deaf ears.

Why do never Trumpers need to evaluate these places?

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

I don't recall the libs being upset when this was happening under the previous administration's watch. Is this what we call selective outrage?

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

(06-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

We've hashed the Melania being deported and apparently you're too stupid to understand. Yes what she did was illegal, however it's a minor infraction compared to entering illegally or overstaying. She wasn't the first to do it or the last. After it was discovered she was a citizen. Only people who care is you.

Really gerrymandering in this discussion.

Your song and dance is old.

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)gdunn Wrote:  I don't recall the libs being upset when this was happening under the previous administration's watch. Is this what we call selective outrage?

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

Yep; however, is it really surprising he played the race card?

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

Another Monday, another racist hetero-phobe rant from Tom.

(06-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

.....and out comes the dog whistle!!

MUH RACISTS!!!!!!

MUH CAMPS!!!!!!!!


It's old, it's lazy - and most of all it's not true.

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Have you been to Guatemala? The gangs run that place too. Mexico? They'll find you there too. Mexico has LOTS of refugees living there, but some cannot find safety there either.

BTW, the violence in Central America and Mexico is the proximate result of US gun laws and our deportation policy for persons accused, rightly or not correctly, of being linked to gangs to countries the deportees do not have anywhere to turn to but the gangs. This policy has created extreme unrest to our south. And the people who face the most violence in those societies are the most vulnerable...women, the poor, LGBTs, etc. The US has provided no real assistance to Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala and has refused to shut down our open air/no questions asked gun markets and legalize drugs that would remove the power of the Mexican cartels.

(06-18-2018 09:15 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:32 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There is no room at the inn for illegals.

They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

.....and out comes the dog whistle!!

MUH RACISTS!!!!!!

MUH CAMPS!!!!!!!!


It's old, it's lazy - and most of all it's not true.

Guys, there's really no point in calling it anything else but racism.

(06-18-2018 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:15 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

.....and out comes the dog whistle!!

MUH RACISTS!!!!!!

MUH CAMPS!!!!!!!!


It's old, it's lazy - and most of all it's not true.

Guys, there's really no point in calling it anything else but racism.

I'm sure there is no point in calling it anything else for someone who has no reasonable argument against enforcing the law save for "racism"!

(06-18-2018 09:04 AM)appst89 Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:58 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:50 AM)gdunn Wrote:  Why would they be applying for asylum? I mean when the counties were called sh*tholes everyone spoke up and rebuked it. So if it's not a bad area or there's no issues, why ask for asylum? And please answer the question instead of veering into whataboutism.

I can't help but wonder about the logistics. If you so desperately needed asylum from Honduras (apparently per tom, Honduras is the big problem), there's NO WHERE you could find it other than 2,500 miles away? Guatemala no good? Belize? Mexico? Everyone is our responsibility, huh?

This is also actually humoring the idea and assuming that everyone coming is "seeking asylum", which is obviously nonsense and has been debunked by Sec. Nielsen.

Why not walk to the US embassy in Tegucigalpa to apply for asylum? That would have to be a shorter, and less dangerous trip than walking 2500 miles to the US border.

This whole asylum argument is a joke.

Because you don't get to see a judge at the US Embassy. Here's one case. Russia has murdered dozens of LGBT persons in concentration camps in Southern Russia. Those internally fleeing that pogrom have also been murdered in Moscow. But the US Department of State under the leadership of Donald Trump has automatically refused all asylum applications from refugees from actual death camps. At the embassy, there's no appeal to a judge. At the border, there is.

(06-18-2018 09:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:15 AM)Crebman Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 09:02 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:43 AM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  

(06-18-2018 08:36 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  They're not illegal if applying for asylum. Even if they aren't white.

But there's really little point in debating this with people who really could care less about Miss White Melania's flouting of our immigration laws but who get really angry about persons of color applying for asylum.

If these were Swedes violating our sovereignty to benefit from our tax dollars I'd pack their asses back up and ship them back to Europe. We all know this is an attempt by the Democrats to "import" votes they can't generate from actual Americans. No voter IDs, no borders, no consequences for violating the law, all these things are supported by the left for the sake of power and greed.

You can start by deporting Melania for violating our immigration laws by working on a tourist visa. Until then, this policy is just racist, and all who support it are supporting racism.

Your crack about 'actual Americans' is part of the racist playbook to demean the contributions of non-white Americans. That would also include racist gerrymandering by the GOP and the parrotting of the GOP trope that (white) rural votes should mean more in Presidential elections than urban ones. And the whole 'white Americans who live in foreign countries can vote for President and Congress' but (largely non-white) Americans who live in Puerto Rico, the USVI and the Pacific Islands cannot. And (largely non-white) Americans that live in DC cannot vote for Congress or Senate.

News flash, non-white people, people who live in DC, Puerto Rico, the USVI, Guam, and the CMNI are 'actual Americans'.

.....and out comes the dog whistle!!

MUH RACISTS!!!!!!

MUH CAMPS!!!!!!!!


It's old, it's lazy - and most of all it's not true.

Guys, there's really no point in calling it anything else but racism.

That's a crock - and it's old and lazy.

If it were true - why wouldn't all the "racists" be crying about immigration from India? Wouldn't they be considered "of color"?

The reason why is it's too far for them to just sneak across the border - by and large they come legally.

Actually, under the policy enacted in April Tom, it is illegal to cross the border even if you are seeking asylum. So it is against the law to do it at the border.