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(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:43 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

Where was your outrage in during the prior administration. Under Obama about 20% of those caught crossing illegally were referred for prosecution. Did you not care about those kids?

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

Blame his parents for breaking the law. Plenty of US citizen children are taken from their parents during the parents prosecution.

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

There are certainly dangers in every region and country in the world, but why must everybody fleeing harm in central and south america be allowed to break the law to enter the US?

There are eight countries in the 2018 "Best Countries to Live In" report from Central and South America. Let them go to one of those countries. https://www.lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-c...e-in-2017/

They wouldn't be breaking the law if CBP would stop blocking the LEGAL entry points to asylum seekers.

Cant accept more people than the entry point can hold.

(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The list is for Americans with money to retire in and operates from the assumption that drug/gang violence won't impact them there.

For the record, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and Chile have accepted MILLIONS of asylum seekers each this year alone. Costa Rica's population is 30% foreign born. Panama has more than our share (far more) of asylum refugees. The USA is far, far, far closer to Central America than Uruguay or Argentina.

That damned American privilege.... I suppose it only applies to white people as well.
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President Trump ends the Obama era policy of separating families at the border
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(06-20-2018 03:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  President Trump ends the Obama era policy of separating families at the border

President Trump issues order allowing for the incarceration of small children for more than 20 days, in direct violation of US law and without any authority to do so.
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(06-20-2018 02:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:43 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

Where was your outrage in during the prior administration. Under Obama about 20% of those caught crossing illegally were referred for prosecution. Did you not care about those kids?

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

Blame his parents for breaking the law. Plenty of US citizen children are taken from their parents during the parents prosecution.

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

There are certainly dangers in every region and country in the world, but why must everybody fleeing harm in central and south america be allowed to break the law to enter the US?

There are eight countries in the 2018 "Best Countries to Live In" report from Central and South America. Let them go to one of those countries. https://www.lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-c...e-in-2017/

They wouldn't be breaking the law if CBP would stop blocking the LEGAL entry points to asylum seekers.

Cant accept more people than the entry point can hold.

(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The list is for Americans with money to retire in and operates from the assumption that drug/gang violence won't impact them there.

For the record, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and Chile have accepted MILLIONS of asylum seekers each this year alone. Costa Rica's population is 30% foreign born. Panama has more than our share (far more) of asylum refugees. The USA is far, far, far closer to Central America than Uruguay or Argentina.

That damned American privilege.... I suppose it only applies to white people as well.

Uh, when you've got drug gangs chasing you, or you don't have the 8000 to pay as a border crossing tax to the gangs, delaying getting across the border can mean life and death.

Lets not pretend that CBP didn't do this with the approval of the Trump Admin.

As of this morning, they did - finally - open up the border crossings to a few asylum seekers in at least one area.
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(06-20-2018 03:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:58 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 02:43 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not the one putting kids in dog kennels because their mother committed and induced misdemenor

Where was your outrage in during the prior administration. Under Obama about 20% of those caught crossing illegally were referred for prosecution. Did you not care about those kids?

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not celebrating GOP officials saying Womp, Womp, in response to a 10 year old developmentally disabled kid being ripped from his parent

Blame his parents for breaking the law. Plenty of US citizen children are taken from their parents during the parents prosecution.

(06-20-2018 12:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm not ignoring the humanity of those fleeing harm in Central America and Mexico

I'm not doing any of that. You can find all of that, just this morning.

But I will, at times, respond to it. Again, you can't support Trump and pretend he isn't what he is. You might not like getting called out on it, but there it is.

There are certainly dangers in every region and country in the world, but why must everybody fleeing harm in central and south america be allowed to break the law to enter the US?

There are eight countries in the 2018 "Best Countries to Live In" report from Central and South America. Let them go to one of those countries. https://www.lifestyle9.org/worlds-best-c...e-in-2017/

They wouldn't be breaking the law if CBP would stop blocking the LEGAL entry points to asylum seekers.

Cant accept more people than the entry point can hold.

(06-20-2018 02:50 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  The list is for Americans with money to retire in and operates from the assumption that drug/gang violence won't impact them there.

For the record, Brazil, Colombia, Peru and Chile have accepted MILLIONS of asylum seekers each this year alone. Costa Rica's population is 30% foreign born. Panama has more than our share (far more) of asylum refugees. The USA is far, far, far closer to Central America than Uruguay or Argentina.

That damned American privilege.... I suppose it only applies to white people as well.

Uh, when you've got drug gangs chasing you, or you don't have the 8000 to pay as a border crossing tax to the gangs, delaying getting across the border can mean life and death.

Lets not pretend that CBP didn't do this with the approval of the Trump Admin.

As of this morning, they did - finally - open up the border crossings to a few asylum seekers in at least one area.
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(06-20-2018 03:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 03:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  President Trump ends the Obama era policy of separating families at the border

President Trump issues order allowing for the incarceration of small children for more than 20 days, in direct violation of US law and without any authority to do so.

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Well WTF you want? Kids separated from their families cause their parents broke the law, or kids locked up with their parents? Oh wait, let me guess. You want them released on their own recognizance because we all know they will show up to their hearings, be it immigration, asylum, or criminal. Well Fvck that.


Also didn't hear you bitching when Obama signed dozens of EOs in direct violation of US law and without any authority to do so.
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(06-20-2018 11:47 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:23 AM)gdunn Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Lets see the EO. I suspect they'll be something in it for his 4chan racist homies. But we shall see. Under no circumstances should Trump receive much credit for stopping an inhumane policy HE arbitrarily created.

lol, no matter what it is the left will criticize something.

Yes, we are absolutely correct to criticize Trump's original policies that created this mess in the first place. You don't commit crimes against humanity and then get to say 'oopsie'. Its not how this works.
Yea but you forget they broke the law.
A plan was offered months ago and the Dems walked away just like last night.

This actually looks worse on the left because you're stomping and running away from the table isn't working.


They were induced to break the law by DJT's policy of shutting down legal entry points for asylum seekers.

A plan that encouraged hostage taking was offered. No, we aren't voting for a removal of asylum laws for women, LGBTs, and persons of color. No we aren't voting for a stupid wall. No matter how much you abuse kids in order to try to force it. DACA recipients should have a path to citizenship in the only country they've ever known.

Creating a crisis shouldn't be rewarded. Trump created this crisis. He's just trying to limit the damage. But I'm sure there will be something in it for the racist trolls he implemented this unconscionable policy in the first place.

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The most corrupt Administration in US history, and its not even close.

Look, there's no 3d chess going on here. He is a crass, self serving bigot. And all of his remaining supporters can't claim that 'he really isn't like that'. You stay with him, you're endorsing everything he does now.

And there's another facet of Trumpism. He's such a selfish tool that just about everyone that helps him ends up in a worse position.

So, if he decides he can't get away with putting 3 year olds in dog kennels for the time being, that's just going to kick this down the road until the next outrage. And with his Administration largely composed of bigots, racists, grifters, and incompetents of the rankist order, its only a matter of time before another Trump created crisis develops.
Sorry not reading whataboutism.
Stay on point.

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

And usually the one screaming constantly about racism and such is the true offender. Bigot.
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I guess the next thing will be for these whiny idiot insufferable liberals to demand all criminals with children be let out of prison. They're criminals in the same manner that these illegal aliens are and separated from their kids.
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What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
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(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand
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(06-20-2018 03:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 03:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  President Trump ends the Obama era policy of separating families at the border

President Trump issues order allowing for the incarceration of small children for more than 20 days, in direct violation of US law and without any authority to do so.

He's put Congress on the clock.
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(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?

100%.

They'll file with the 9th Jercuit court if they can. Some judge in the middle of the ocean will tell us we can't the fence jumpers out.
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(06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand


I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).
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(06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand
I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).

So you just want to drop all pretense of maintaining a border and let anybody in?

If not, then how do you distinguish your position from that?
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The Donald owns liberals...he's just smarter than they are...checkmate
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(06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand


I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).

So you're for open borders. Every person crossing the border has an equally compelling sob story, if they don't, they'll be coached on what to say. That being the case, either the law is enforced uniformly (as it should be) or not at all, you can't treat some differently than others cause they have a sad story. With open borders, the US population would quickly reach 600million with 500million living below the poverty level. The US would become a large 3rd world country with 500million government dependents/democrat voters... a progressive paradise.
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(06-20-2018 03:01 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 03:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  President Trump ends the Obama era policy of separating families at the border

President Trump issues order allowing for the incarceration of small children for more than 20 days, in direct violation of US law and without any authority to do so.

Ah, so we have another open border lover, since the best solution is just not to enforce the law. I kind of figure anyone opposing Trump is probably an open border person.
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(06-20-2018 07:00 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand


I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).

So you're for open boarders. Every person crossing the boarder has an equally compelling sob story, if they don't, they'll be coached on what to say. That being the case, either the law is enforced uniformly (as it should be) or not at all, you can't treat some differently than others cause they have a sad story. With open boarders, the US population would quickly reach 600million with 500million living below the poverty level. The US would become a large 3rd world country with 500million government dependents/democrat voters... a progressive paradise.

Actually you misspelled borders but that's alright because it's more honest. The US is being pressured to board these law breakers.
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(06-20-2018 07:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 07:00 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 05:00 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 04:52 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  What are the odds a leftwinger sues Trump for exceeding his authority on this EO?
That is the next chess move. Force cryin chucks hand


I think it’s going to go the other way - the court will step in & declare it a violation of the Flora decision, the EO will get reversed, & Trump will just say that the judge is “forcing” him to keep separating families (which is, of course, BS - he could have them drop the zero tolerance policy at any point).

So you're for open boarders. Every person crossing the boarder has an equally compelling sob story, if they don't, they'll be coached on what to say. That being the case, either the law is enforced uniformly (as it should be) or not at all, you can't treat some differently than others cause they have a sad story. With open boarders, the US population would quickly reach 600million with 500million living below the poverty level. The US would become a large 3rd world country with 500million government dependents/democrat voters... a progressive paradise.

Actually you misspelled borders but that's alright because it's more honest. The US is being pressured to board these law breakers.


Thanks for the spellcheck, just so disgusted this evening I can't think straight.
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(06-20-2018 11:21 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:19 AM)VA49er Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:18 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

Lets see the EO. I suspect they'll be something in it for his 4chan racist homies. But we shall see. Under no circumstances should Trump receive much credit for stopping an inhumane policy HE arbitrarily created.

lol, no matter what it is the left will criticize something.

Yes, we are absolutely correct to criticize Trump's original policies that created this mess in the first place. You don't commit crimes against humanity and then get to say 'oopsie'. Its not how this works.

Seemed to work for you with Obama/Clinton's far-greater Libya fiasco. Of course, Hillary is actually proud of the slave trade she helped create there.

(06-20-2018 12:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(06-20-2018 11:12 AM)shere khan Wrote:  https://www.cnbc.com/2018/06/20/trump-sa...ether.html

In before dems claim larger cages.

trump solves problem he created...lol, WELL done [/rollseyes]

Isn't that pretty much what government always does?
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