(06-20-2018 05:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 03:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:38 AM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/WiredSources/status/...7022430212

WIDE OPEN

This is disingenuous. What we want is an end to the racist ICE policy of harrassing Latinos at any point, without any justification, within 100 miles of a coastline or US border.

No. The racism charge is disingenuous. Its used because you cant just come out and admit--we want more hispanic immigrants because we think increasing the number of uneducated poor people will improve the electorial map for democrats. Dems dont give a rats azz about anything other than power and the ability to spend other peoples money. Thats proven by the fact Dems didnt care about this issue when Obama was doing the same thing.

That said---frankly--republicans are only marginally better about spending other peoples money---but I'll take what I can get.

Racism doesn't mean what it used to. Now it means, "I hate you and I don't want to hear what you have to say."

(06-21-2018 11:58 AM)Gakusei Wrote:  Of course, they weren't the only voters for Trump. It was stated that uneducated, poor, struggling people vote Democrat. That is true, except when you add white onto that list, then they overwhelmingly voted for Trump.

No, they mostly voted Democrat. Unless you stretch your definition to include a big chunk of the middle class.

(06-20-2018 04:42 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  Some of them are fleeing their lives who could have some valuable information on the drug cartels and the thugs they hired to cause havoc down there. They could get asylum because we could protect them, and they could tell us what the cartel and thugs could be doing here in the US by how they blend in and so forth. Even we get people coming here from the Middle East who provide info on the thugs and terrorists in that region. We do not need to completlely close the doors, but leave it open for some cases for people who have info for security and police matters.

Not our problem.
Follow the rules and you’re good. Choose not to and you’re focked. End of story.

(06-20-2018 03:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 11:38 AM)green Wrote:  

https://twitter.com/WiredSources/status/...7022430212

WIDE OPEN

This is disingenuous. What we want is an end to the racist ICE policy of harrassing Latinos at any point, without any justification, within 100 miles of a coastline or US border.

Racist.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201...l-props-a/

"...Painting the president as a heartless monster with no ear for the cries of the huddled masses is of a piece with the Democratic larger goal of voiding a national election, as if America is a third-world country where voiding elections is routine. Sober Americans must pay attention to what’s best for the nation. What’s best for the nation is ultimately what’s best for everyone, including young migrants.

The outcry over children separated from illegal migrant parents has brought Washington to hysteria, as TV cameras have focused on the 2,300 children held apart from their Central American parents by immigration authorities, mostly along the Texas border.

This is not something new. Some 135,000 children, both unaccompanied and with families, were apprehended at the U.S. border between 2014 and 2016, according to the non-partisan Pew Research Center. The majority were males 15 years old or older, not toddlers clinging to their mothers. The press, which affects such large heart now, showed little interest when the hard heart was that of President Obama....

Also from the article:

"...Americans must take careful account shorn of hysteria, of the confusion on the southern border. The tears of children are always genuine, but the designs of those who would use children as political props are not. The histrionics will end if Congress summons the courage to enact a fair and effective immigration bill, and get on with building the wall. The alternative is permanent chaos.

(06-20-2018 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Can’t arrest terrorists...

You wanna see a mass migration AWAY from places.

My gosh the stupidity is breath taking.

Nothing stupid about it. African Americans are slowly starting to wake up to what the Democrat party has done to them over all this time. They need a new go to voting block, uneducated, illiterate and easy too manipulate. They have chosen the illegal immigrant population for that purpose. They mean to have completely open borders and damn the consequences.

(06-23-2018 12:13 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(06-20-2018 03:04 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Can’t arrest terrorists...

You wanna see a mass migration AWAY from places.

My gosh the stupidity is breath taking.

Nothing stupid about it. African Americans are slowly starting to wake up to what the Democrat party has done to them over all this time. They need a new go to voting block, uneducated, illiterate and easy too manipulate. They have chosen the illegal immigrant population for that purpose. They mean to have completely open borders and damn the consequences.

Oh, I fully understand the wholly political motivations behind it, it’s just astounding the stupidity of the policy proposal.

We could, quite literally, have small armies 99.9 miles inland from each of our borders and coasts.

That’s a special kinda stupid...

(06-22-2018 11:16 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 01:28 PM)Lush Wrote:  it's obvious, i suppose, that nations evolve organically and these imaginary lines can't be helped. is it, human nature that does this? where else in the universe are there borders?

Where else are there differing forms of government?

i suppose your sentiment lies in governments are a necessary reaction to the advent of society and it cannot be otherwise?

(06-22-2018 06:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Why do you have the right to exclude strangers from your property but consider it wrong for the nation to exclude illegal aliens from its territory?

Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. In another thread, you said you were libertarian. I consider myself one too. I view illegal migrants as violating the principle of non-aggression and violating the property rights of our people/nation. I find it wrong on a moral level.

https://twitter.com/UnlawfulEntries/stat...0932642816

does your righteous indignation extend to foreign tourists & students ...

GOOD FOREIGNER, BAD FOREIGNER

(06-23-2018 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Racist.

https://twitter.com/ConnieSchultz/status...8750534656

hispanic migrants wanting a better life ...

CRIME OF STATUS

(06-23-2018 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Little weak on your history, aren't you? That wall was to keep people in.

https://twitter.com/wi_ngo/status/1010598807589883904

walls restrict movement ...

STRUCTURAL BIAS

(06-23-2018 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Little weak on your history, aren't you? That wall was to keep people in.

https://twitter.com/Steve6599/status/100...4767461382

DOOMED TO REPEAT IT

(06-23-2018 02:21 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 06:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Why do you have the right to exclude strangers from your property but consider it wrong for the nation to exclude illegal aliens from its territory?

Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. In another thread, you said you were libertarian. I consider myself one too. I view illegal migrants as violating the principle of non-aggression and violating the property rights of our people/nation. I find it wrong on a moral level.

https://twitter.com/UnlawfulEntries/stat...0932642816

does your righteous indignation extend to foreign tourists & students ...

GOOD FOREIGNER, BAD FOREIGNER

Uhhhhhh, illegal aliens are NOT. immigrants, nor are immigrants “tourists”.

The latter are called tourists, then they go home. What a stupid assertion.

(06-23-2018 02:21 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 06:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Why do you have the right to exclude strangers from your property but consider it wrong for the nation to exclude illegal aliens from its territory?

Xenophobia has nothing to do with it. In another thread, you said you were libertarian. I consider myself one too. I view illegal migrants as violating the principle of non-aggression and violating the property rights of our people/nation. I find it wrong on a moral level.

https://twitter.com/UnlawfulEntries/stat...0932642816

does your righteous indignation extend to foreign tourists & students ...

GOOD FOREIGNER, BAD FOREIGNER

i'm sure people don't have a problem with tourists and students green

to jugs, what's moral about borders? it's not exactly easy to become a citizen of this country. for the vast majority of illegals they adhere to our laws once they live under them. no sense to draw attention to themselves for obvious reasons. it's not particularly moral to refuse aid in education and healthcare to people trying to access a better life. our situation (being lucky enough to be born in the states) is less dire than a majority of the world and we can afford to have this little nuisance so long as borders exist. maybe a wall changes that and folks gotta keep on keepin on at the homestead, best they can

i'm wiling to play by the laws and grant you your borders at this stage of the game. the eu experiment is starting to unravel but it was an attempt at an what if? i don't think borders are the answer but i don't think that's going to change

(06-23-2018 02:33 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 11:35 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Racist.

https://twitter.com/ConnieSchultz/status...8750534656

hispanic migrants wanting a better life ...

CRIME OF STATUS

So, how many you putting up?

OPM,

left is aaaaaalways good at that.

(06-23-2018 02:46 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  Little weak on your history, aren't you? That wall was to keep people in.

https://twitter.com/wi_ngo/status/1010598807589883904

walls restrict movement ...

STRUCTURAL BIAS

“Wingo”’s as weak on his history as you are.

Reagan said no such thing. My goodness, the state of our education system these days.

It’s downright frightening...

(06-22-2018 06:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Additionally, illegal migration causes numerous practical problems.

unrestricted access without automatic citizenship or welfare ...
do away with heavy-handed border enforcement ...
refund the american taxpayer ...

DINNER'S READY

(06-23-2018 03:16 PM)green Wrote:  

(06-22-2018 06:00 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Additionally, illegal migration causes numerous practical problems.

unrestricted access without automatic citizenship or welfare ...
do away with heavy-handed border enforcement ...
refund the american taxpayer ...

DINNER'S READY

PIPE DREAM

(06-23-2018 03:15 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  “Wingo”’s as weak on his history as you are.

Reagan said no such thing. My goodness, the state of our education system these days.

It’s downright frightening...

https://twitter.com/jaycliffe/status/101...9774330880

HISTORY BUFF