(07-10-2018 02:26 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (07-10-2018 02:01 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: (07-10-2018 01:19 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: If there's anyone who prefers a nuclear war over trump, they're a moron who just needs to exit the stage in any direction they so choose!
Great... thanks.... at least we agree there is a line...
Now, would you prefer 'no Trump' or the return of these remains?
You've essentially said that you prefer no trump AND the return... but the question essentially argues that neither party has to this point been very effective in accomplishing the latter... so if Trump 'lying' (by describing it as a done deal) and 'giving Un a platform' (by meeting with him and speaking in positive terms) accomplishes what they couldn't, is it worth it to you?
and debating the opposite, if it accomplishes nothing in the end, what really have we lost by trying a different approach?
Being rid of trump, in my opinion, would be much more beneficial to this country than just returning the remains of deceased heroes. But they still can both happen any way.
May sound cold, but getting back the remains does little for our country as a whole in regards to the economy and/or national security.
Granted, no party has been very successful in this endeavor, but if you refer to the article I posted about the one guy we just identified, it talks about 1954 when some remains were returned as well as in 2005 where the 37th Joint Field Activity was conducted and remains (including Sgt. Hall's) were returned to Hawaii, so there has been "some" success in the past.
All that being said, if we do get the remains of 200 heroes back trump deserves congratulations for that. I just choose to wait until they are actually back. And again, the meeting was sold by trump as denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, not as securing the remains of war dead, so we need to keep that in perspective here.
First, thank you for responding. You really didn't answer the specific question I posed, but we're beyond that. For clarity only, what I was asking was are you okay with Trump 'lying' (speaking presumptively) about having already received the remains and giving Un some face time if it brings the dead home? These are specific complaints by the left... and I'm asking if those ends would justify the means... or whether you insist that Trump be less presumptive, even if it means the remains don't come home. It is not a broader political question.
Second and really what is important, it was NOT REMOTELY sold by Trump as a denuclearization. It was perhaps sold by Trump as a step towards that. NOBODY with an ounce of intelligence thinks that you simply turn off nuclear programs in a weekend meeting. Trump has very clearly said that there are all sorts of hurdles before we even THINK about ending embargoes etc. I find it funny that you sit here and talk about Trump lying, while routinely accepting lies from the left.
HERE is more what Trump has said...
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said getting North Korea to dismantle its nuclear and missile programs is a "decades long challenge," as President Donald Trump said Monday he remains confident Kim Jong Un will follow through on his pledges to do so.
Those quotes are from CNN... repeated by almost everyone. Yes, Trump has spoken presumptively, but he has NEVER sold the meeting as denuclearization... but merely a commitment to do so.
We have nukes as does the UK and even Russia, but nobody is really under threat of using them, unless perhaps others like NK use them first. Trump DID place NK in that category, again, presumptively... but he didn't say 'mission accomplished' any more than Obama did with Iran and their nuclear capabilities.
The difference is, Trump hasn't ended anything and can easily put back in place everything that he pushed back (war games)... while Obama gave up his Ace.