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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 11:27 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: Is there really an argument from the left that repatriating American military remains is bad?
I think this one is all on Mensa. Not too many others that can be that disrespectful to the families of fallen service members.
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06-22-2018 11:34 AM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 11:02 AM)TechRocks Wrote: (06-22-2018 10:52 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: (06-22-2018 10:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Getting a meeting with Kim Jong Un and giving him his desired photo op and propaganda campaign was never a problem for any US President. He just had to wait until the right stooge came along.
This is another in a long line of ridiculous comments to defend other ridiculous comments
Obviously those other presidents were more interested in their images than in the bodies of these 200 soldiers... More interested in 'acting tough' through war games and ignoring him as opposed to KNOWING you've got the clear upper hand and acting like it.
You've got no solution here, your only goal is to claim we gave away the farm and got nothing in return, even though you can't quantify what we've given up and you callously deny the value of American bodies. That's it. That's all you have.
Hint... Un controls his media. He didn't become 'the supreme leader' by having an independent media. He (and his father) have been lying to their people for decades... I'm sure the 'absence of a photo op' was (as far as THEIR people are concerned) because UN didn't want it... and not because WE didn't want it. To believe otherwise is woefully ignorant. Do you HONESTLY think his people (especially his rank and file military) sit around in awe at the US and our leaders? Given how our own media manipulates us, and have you forgotten the propaganda in that region during the wars? Good lord man.
We gave up nothing that their people didn't think they already had... and the TRUTH is that Un wasn't going to do anything without getting something.
WE won because we got something we valued for something we don't. To have people who hates Trump and says he lies 20 times a day speak of a photo op with him and a few not unkind words as being remotely as valuable as the bodies of 200 Americans is insane
Address that last paragraph without deflecting or saying that those American bodies don't matter. I DARE you
For the record, Dennis Rodman (who now has done more to bring Kim to the negotiating table than the Magic Man - think about that), said that he approached the Magic Man with specific recommendations that would help resolve the crisis. According to Rodman (who now has done more to bring Kim to the negotiating table than the Magic Man - think about that) said the Magic Man brushed him, Dennis Rodman (who now has done more to bring Kim to the negotiating table than the Magic Man - think about that), aside.
And now you’re heeding diplomatic advice from Dennis Rodman? I can only imagine the reaction of you dopes if President Obama deferred to Dennis Rodman for foreign policy decisions.
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06-22-2018 11:35 AM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 11:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: And now you’re heeding diplomatic advice from Dennis Rodman? I can only imagine the reaction of you dopes if President Obama deferred to Dennis Rodman for foreign policy decisions.
Hey, I've been told that even YOU once had valuable insight on something.
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
I think it's sadder that Dennis Rodman was better at foreign diplomacy than Obama.
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06-22-2018 01:39 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 11:35 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: And now you’re heeding diplomatic advice from Dennis Rodman? I can only imagine the reaction of you dopes if President Obama deferred to Dennis Rodman for foreign policy decisions.
If memory serves, Dennis Rodman had several one-on-one meetings with Kim while the Magic Man had.........zero. Yeah, anyone with an ounce of brain tissue that still functions would know that Rodman knew more about what made Kim tick than the Magic Man.
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 08:34 AM)TechRocks Wrote: (06-21-2018 10:56 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (06-21-2018 03:08 PM)TechRocks Wrote: (06-21-2018 02:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: (06-21-2018 08:24 AM)TechRocks Wrote: This is not looking good for the lefties.
Can't we just put politics aside Tech, and hope and pray the remains are in some way identifiable, so they don't end up just opening up more old wounds for these families?
And also pray for further remains to be returned?
To act like those on the left would not be happy about this is disgusting.
So you're ready to give Trump credit for bringing home the remains of our soldiers who died so that you and I can argue on a message board? I'm betting you literally can't type the words, "yes, I give President Trump credit for bringing home the remains of our brave servicemen who died in battle in N. Korea".
Amirite?
1. The remains are not home yet.
2. We don't know if anything was given in return.
3. We don't know what, if anything, trump had to do with this.
If they come home and trump achieved it without giving up much more than the legitimizing photo op for Kim, I'll gladly congratulate him.
They agreed to it in Singapore, and Trump announced immediately after the summit that Kim promised it would happen quickly. It's happened, quickly.
But here's how I predict you'll WEASEL MOVE your way out of giving Trump credit.
1) We don't know if anything was given in return.
AND
2) If they come home and trump achieved it without giving up much more than the legitimizing photo op for Kim, I'll gladly congratulate him.
Again, I call bullcrap on your "promise", and this is why.
An intellectually honest person would assume that we will never know specifically what was given up for the return of those remains because it's part of an overall package to get Kim to denuclearize. The US government will never publish a line-item list of what we gave Kim for each specific concession he gave to us. So, unless you're going to personally ask that question of Trump, it's really unknowable.
Hence, you'll conveniently have your excuse to avoid congratulating the president. This is why Tom, I call your constant effort to make those around you believe that you're somehow open-minded about the issues we discuss, bullcrap. You're intelligent, but, in my opinion, open-minded and intellecually honest you're not.
Intellectual dishonesty is a failure to apply standards of rational evaluation that one is aware of, usually in a self-serving fashion.
That's exactly the person I described in my comments above.
It's now July 3rd, and no remains have yet to be returned from what I've seen.
Do you have any source that says any remains are actually back in the USA yet?
Quote:Asked if this meant that the U.S. had in fact not yet received the remains, Pompeo confirmed that was correct. “We have not yet physically received them,” he said.
U.S. STILL HASN’T RECEIVED SOLDIERS’ REMAINS FROM NORTH KOREA, SAYS POMPEO
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07-03-2018 02:35 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
We already know what a great negotiator Oblunder ever was. We didn't need any more Iran Deals. With one gigantic blunder that was enough.
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07-03-2018 02:37 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 02:37 PM)olliebaba Wrote: We already know what a great negotiator Oblunder ever was. We didn't need any more Iran Deals. With one gigantic blunder that was enough.
lol
DEFLECT DEFLECT
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07-03-2018 02:52 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Do you have any source that says any remains are actually back in the USA yet?
Yes.
Quote:“We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back,” Trump told a crowd of supporters during a rally in Duluth, Minnesota.
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07-03-2018 08:11 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 08:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote: (07-03-2018 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Do you have any source that says any remains are actually back in the USA yet?
Yes.
Quote:“We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back,” Trump told a crowd of supporters during a rally in Duluth, Minnesota.
Yet 8 days later Mike Pompeio told Congress they had not returned.
WASHINGTON — Secretary of State Mike Pompeo says North Korea has not yet turned over suspected remains of U.S. soldiers killed during the Korean War.
That's despite President Donald Trump's assertion that North Korea has either turned some remains over or is in the process of doing so following his summit with Kim Jong Un in Singapore earlier this month.
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.militar...s.html/amp
(This post was last modified: 07-03-2018 09:03 PM by Marc Mensa.)
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 08:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote: (07-03-2018 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Do you have any source that says any remains are actually back in the USA yet?
Yes.
Quote:“We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back,” Trump told a crowd of supporters during a rally in Duluth, Minnesota.
Trump is your reliable source...
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
Nobel Prize
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07-03-2018 09:03 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 09:02 PM)cb4029 Wrote: (07-03-2018 08:11 PM)TechRocks Wrote: (07-03-2018 02:35 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Do you have any source that says any remains are actually back in the USA yet?
Yes.
Quote:“We got back our great fallen heroes, the remains sent back today, already 200 got sent back,” Trump told a crowd of supporters during a rally in Duluth, Minnesota.
Trump is your reliable source...
He’s the only source they need or trust.
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07-03-2018 09:04 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
The man asked if I had a source, and I gave him a quote from my source. What's the problem?
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07-03-2018 09:10 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 09:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Nobel Prize
Let's bet on that.
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 09:12 PM)TechRocks Wrote: (07-03-2018 09:03 PM)JDTulane Wrote: Nobel Prize
Let's bet on that.
That's spicy...
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(06-22-2018 10:52 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: (06-22-2018 10:29 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote: Getting a meeting with Kim Jong Un and giving him his desired photo op and propaganda campaign was never a problem for any US President. He just had to wait until the right stooge came along.
This is another in a long line of ridiculous comments to defend other ridiculous comments
Obviously those other presidents were more interested in their images than in the bodies of these 200 soldiers... More interested in 'acting tough' through war games and ignoring him as opposed to KNOWING you've got the clear upper hand and acting like it.
You've got no solution here, your only goal is to claim we gave away the farm and got nothing in return, even though you can't quantify what we've given up and you callously deny the value of American bodies. That's it. That's all you have.
Hint... Un controls his media. He didn't become 'the supreme leader' by having an independent media. He (and his father) have been lying to their people for decades... I'm sure the 'absence of a photo op' was (as far as THEIR people are concerned) because UN didn't want it... and not because WE didn't want it. To believe otherwise is woefully ignorant. Do you HONESTLY think his people (especially his rank and file military) sit around in awe at the US and our leaders? Given how our own media manipulates us, and have you forgotten the propaganda in that region during the wars? Good lord man.
We gave up nothing that their people didn't think they already had... and the TRUTH is that Un wasn't going to do anything without getting something.
WE won because we got something we valued for something we don't. To have people who hates Trump and says he lies 20 times a day speak of a photo op with him and a few not unkind words as being remotely as valuable as the bodies of 200 Americans is insane
Address that last paragraph without deflecting or saying that those American bodies don't matter. I DARE you
Honestly, I don't know how you have the time or the energy, but thank you for your effort. In the immortal words of the warden in Cool Hand Luke..
" Some men.... you... just can't reach, so you get what we had here last week... which is... the way he wants it... Well.... He gets it."
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
How long has it been since the meeting in Singapore? How long do you think it takes to find and catalog and organize all the remains?
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07-03-2018 11:30 PM |
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-03-2018 09:10 PM)TechRocks Wrote: The man asked if I had a source, and I gave him a quote from my source. What's the problem?
LOL
You typed that with a straight face. I love it.
And the poor little owl above has resorted to making excuses. Sad.
(This post was last modified: 07-04-2018 08:52 AM by cb4029.)
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RE: North Korea has returned remains of 200 U.S. war dead
(07-04-2018 08:50 AM)cb4029 Wrote: And the poor little owl above has resorted to making excuses. Sad.
So you don't know, or don't like, the answers to my questions?
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