(06-25-2018 05:39 AM)Kittonhead Wrote:  One thing we are forgetting here is Oklahoma doesn't have to go anywhere.

1) Record profits by the B12.

2) Ability to sell third tier rights in the B12.

3) Nationally competitive in men's basketball.

4) Championship game with out 12 teams.

Its the PAC at the moment that has the issues right now.

We're just speculating. Truth is, both the Big 12 and PAC are fine.

OU facing a $1 billion dollar shortfall, yet they just approved a $22 million dollar softball stadium. It doesn't appear athletics is the one suffering.

(06-25-2018 10:42 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  OU facing a $1 billion dollar shortfall, yet they just approved a $22 million dollar softball stadium. It doesn't appear athletics is the one suffering.

Which raises a great question, "Is it Softball that really drives the bus?";)

OU has been giving away way too many full scholarships to outside of Oklahoma high school students who are National Merit Scholars in order to raise their academic standings. They have been doing this for years, that and all the Texas high school grads on in state tuition is coming back to haunt them.

Meanwhile their athletic side makes millions in profits every year.

(06-25-2018 11:37 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  OU has been giving away way too many full scholarships to outside of Oklahoma high school students who are National Merit Scholars in order to raise their academic standings. They have been doing this for years, that and all the Texas high school grads on in state tuition is coming back to haunt them.

Meanwhile their athletic side makes millions in profits every year.

Why don't they drop the academics and go with athletics?

OU Sooners put in an application to the NFL.

(06-25-2018 10:14 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  

(06-25-2018 11:37 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  OU has been giving away way too many full scholarships to outside of Oklahoma high school students who are National Merit Scholars in order to raise their academic standings. They have been doing this for years, that and all the Texas high school grads on in state tuition is coming back to haunt them.

Meanwhile their athletic side makes millions in profits every year.

Why don't they drop the academics and go with athletics?

OU Sooners put in an application to the NFL.

Some might say that under Barry Switzer they were a professional team since they were always right at the salary cap.

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

(06-25-2018 10:42 AM)Big Frog II Wrote:  OU facing a $1 billion dollar shortfall, yet they just approved a $22 million dollar softball stadium. It doesn't appear athletics is the one suffering.

That's because as at many big-time athletic schools, the AD is largely funded separately through donations and the like. So the university might be suffering a big budget crunch, but the AD can be swimming in cash.

That was the case at LSU five years ago, when state budget cuts were threatening the campus, but the AD was just fine, because it's funded by the TAF (Tiger Athletic Foundation) which gets no taxpayer money so isn't impacted by state cuts.

(06-26-2018 01:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Divisions are hopelessly imbalanced at that point. Would be better off going to 9 games and going with a 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule to ensure more balance.

(06-26-2018 02:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 01:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Divisions are hopelessly imbalanced at that point. Would be better off going to 9 games and going with a 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule to ensure more balance.

How are they Imbalanced? I do like the 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule

(06-26-2018 02:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 01:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Divisions are hopelessly imbalanced at that point. Would be better off going to 9 games and going with a 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule to ensure more balance.

Imbalance how? Sixteen is not the issue because 1/2 divisions (a rule which is already on the book) can be employed. You play the 3 in your division, the 3 from the rotating half division you are scheduled to play who aren't your permanent rivals, and you would rotate though all the schools every 3 years while playing 6 annually (3 in your half division & 3 permanent rivals. 9 conference games are a given with 16 school conferences anyway.

So something like this

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

So Auburn's permanent rivalries (1 each from the other half divisions would be): Georgia, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State

Alabama's: South Carolina, Mississippi State, Oklahoma

Tennessee's: Kentucky, Missouri, L.S.U.

Vanderbilt's: Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida
*******************************************
L.S.U.'s: Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida

Mississippi's: Vanderbilt, Georgia, Missouri

Miss State's: Alabama, Kentucky, Oklahoma

Texas A&M's: Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Auburn

********************************************

Arkansas's: L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Georgia

Missouri: Mississippi, Tennessee, South Carolina

Oklahoma: Alabama, Mississippi State, Florida

Oklahoma State's: Texas A&M, Kentucky, Auburn

******************************************

Florida's: Oklahoma, L.S.U., Vanderbilt

Georgia's: Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi

Kentucky's: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, Tennessee

South Carolina's: Missouri, Texas A&M, Alabama

*************************************************

That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

So your home schedule would have 6 permanent games, and 3 rotating games each year for conference play.

BTW: My groupings are just to show how it works. I'm not really suggesting that those schools should be the set games. But I did account for rivalries when doing them.

(06-26-2018 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

You're proposing the "rotating quads" format that was used by the WAC-16.

(06-26-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

You're proposing the "rotating quads" format that was used by the WAC-16.

Of course I am. But these guys born after 1982 don't know what they were. So explaining it as half divisions and demonstrating a schedule is the only way to get them to see it. Telling them you are going to use the WAC rotation means nothing.

(06-26-2018 03:38 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 02:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 01:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Divisions are hopelessly imbalanced at that point. Would be better off going to 9 games and going with a 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule to ensure more balance.

How are they Imbalanced? I do like the 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule

That Eastern division would contain 8 of the last 12 national champions, plus two other schools with top five finishes in the last 5 years. Plus Tennessee, who won a total in 98 and is a borderline blue blood historically. It’d be murderers row

(06-26-2018 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 02:55 PM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 01:41 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  

(06-23-2018 04:00 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  Is this the reason we keep hearing OU will head to The SEC or Big Ten when The Big 12 GOR expires...

https://newsok.com/article/5598666/unive...ating-cash

I agree. This is a sounding bell to let everyone know that talks have begun to transition OU and OSU to the SEC.

SEC West

Arkansas
Louisiana State
Missouri
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Texas A&M
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State


SEC East

Alabama
Auburn
Georgia
Florida
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Divisions are hopelessly imbalanced at that point. Would be better off going to 9 games and going with a 3/6 permanent/rotating schedule to ensure more balance.

Imbalance how? Sixteen is not the issue because 1/2 divisions (a rule which is already on the book) can be employed. You play the 3 in your division, the 3 from the rotating half division you are scheduled to play who aren't your permanent rivals, and you would rotate though all the schools every 3 years while playing 6 annually (3 in your half division & 3 permanent rivals. 9 conference games are a given with 16 school conferences anyway.

So something like this

Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina

Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Vanderbilt

L.S.U., Mississippi, Mississippi State, Texas A&M

Arkansas, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State

So Auburn's permanent rivalries (1 each from the other half divisions would be): Georgia, Texas A&M, Oklahoma State

Alabama's: South Carolina, Mississippi State, Oklahoma

Tennessee's: Kentucky, Missouri, L.S.U.

Vanderbilt's: Mississippi, Arkansas, Florida
*******************************************
L.S.U.'s: Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida

Mississippi's: Vanderbilt, Georgia, Missouri

Miss State's: Alabama, Kentucky, Oklahoma

Texas A&M's: Oklahoma State, South Carolina, Auburn

********************************************

Arkansas's: L.S.U., Vanderbilt, Georgia

Missouri: Mississippi, Tennessee, South Carolina

Oklahoma: Alabama, Mississippi State, Florida

Oklahoma State's: Texas A&M, Kentucky, Auburn

******************************************

Florida's: Oklahoma, L.S.U., Vanderbilt

Georgia's: Arkansas, Auburn, Mississippi

Kentucky's: Oklahoma State, Mississippi State, Tennessee

South Carolina's: Missouri, Texas A&M, Alabama

*************************************************

That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

So your home schedule would have 6 permanent games, and 3 rotating games each year for conference play.

BTW: My groupings are just to show how it works. I'm not really suggesting that those schools should be the set games. But I did account for rivalries when doing them.

I agree, something like that would have to work. I’m the other scenario you have Alabama playing UT, Auburn, UF, UGA, and SC every year while LSU would get Oklahoma and A&M and not a ton else. The powers that be wouldn’t go for it was my only argument.

Pods puts everyone is basically the same boat so it’d be easier to get schools on board

(06-26-2018 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

You're proposing the "rotating quads" format that was used by the WAC-16.

Of course I am. But these guys born after 1982 don't know what they were. So explaining it as half divisions and demonstrating a schedule is the only way to get them to see it. Telling them you are going to use the WAC rotation means nothing.

I would also add that now that divisions don’t matter we should just do away with them entirely and take the schools with the top two records. That way you avoid a potential 6-3 or 5-3 team winning the conference

(06-27-2018 06:17 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:36 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:18 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 04:02 PM)JRsec Wrote:  That way you play 3 from your own half division, all 4 from another half division, and 1 each from the other two divisions every year. Only the division where you would face all 4 would change every three years.

You're proposing the "rotating quads" format that was used by the WAC-16.

Of course I am. But these guys born after 1982 don't know what they were. So explaining it as half divisions and demonstrating a schedule is the only way to get them to see it. Telling them you are going to use the WAC rotation means nothing.

I would also add that now that divisions don’t matter we should just do away with them entirely and take the schools with the top two records. That way you avoid a potential 6-3 or 5-3 team winning the conference

Exactly!
No divisions, let the schools work out their own games within the conference for 1/2 or 1/3 of the schedule so we don't get mucked up with one school wanting three protected games, another wanting two and another wanting one so that someone either ends up not playing a game they want to play or get stuck playing someone they don't care about every year and let the league fill out the rest in consultation with television.

Take the top two to settle it.