(06-25-2018 03:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote: (06-25-2018 03:24 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (06-25-2018 02:40 PM)stinkfist Wrote: (06-25-2018 01:39 PM)umbluegray Wrote: (06-25-2018 01:33 PM)stinkfist Wrote: this is where we disagree.....I'm as socially center as they come......ya just don't know it.....
the con uber right is dead man.....has been for some time......can't fight that tape.....it's pointless.....
I understand it, but I think it's self defeating.
For example, is there any behavior that you think should NOT be allowed?
I'm an atheist and pro-choice.......however, it all leads to leveling for me....
my first roomie was gay and I moved in with a couple of lesbians years later.....
I DON'T CARE ABOUT ANYONE'S PERSONAL CHOICE UNTIL YOU INVADE MY SPACE
THAT'S WHEN IT BECOMES A STUPID ISSUE AND PROBLEM IN MY MIND
it's all about choice to me.....if you enjoy the confines of the bibble, then go for it.....hell, I ensured my daughter was reared in the Methodist doctrine.....being raised catholic was a no fly zone for me.....
one could view that as hypocrisy.....I viewed it as being responsible.....she didn't know I was an atheist until a few yrs ago.....she just turned 19.....the irony is she told me, "Daaad, I already knew".......that's when you know you did your job as a parent.....no grudges and always hugs.....
I can't change me.....I simply chose to continually expand my capacity to understand the 'before me'.....it understood too early which was a curse......
such is life for many.....and there's no malice in me heart until req'd......
Like I said, I get it. And I don't begrudge anyone their philosophy.
To respond to you specifically, it's perfectly fine that you're an atheist. I admit that I think your spin on it is refreshing.
But I still believe that there are areas where we have to have societal constructs and rules which can't be infringed. That is, there are some behaviors which, if allowed, negatively impact society as a whole regardless of the seeming isolated impact beyond the individual.
I easily wasn't dogging you and appreciate the response in kind......
I'm not that kind of atheist and completely understand how feelings enter the fray......
it's important to me understanding how the variables can play out before setting policy in any version of magnitude.....
to your specifics of "some behaviors"........well, that "negative" will always exist regardless how policy is developed....
what I deem important is developing a starting point for 'best method'.....I'm a six sigma black belt......it's one of the few that I thank corpshite 'murica for.....
it's always about the 'one' of us and all of us......
too many don't understand that in scope........and that's a shame as we exist today....
I didn't take it as a dogging out. I took it as simple discussion between adults.
I hope that's how my comments were receive as well. I assume they were.
I look at it this way: give them an inch and they'll take a mile.
There will always be the one or two outliers, those that take things to an extreme. But what bears out is that society gradually begins to accept those one or two outliers over time as the norm.
For example, prior to the 60s out-of-wedlock pregnancies were scandalous. People would hide that behavior from others. And these pregnancies were a small percentage of all pregnancies.
However, the rate of unwed pregnancies has dramatically increased since the 60s.
Today, unwed pregnancies make us a fairly substantial number of pregnancies and they no longer seem to carry the same societal taboo.
Why Are So Many Millennials Having Children Out of Wedlock?
The Atlantic
ALEXIA FERNÁNDEZ CAMPBELL JUL 18, 2016
Quote:A few years ago, researchers published an eye-opening statistic: 57 percent of parents ages 26 to 31 were having kids outside of marriage.
And this rate is much higher in the black community.
CNN's Don Lemon says more than 72 percent of African-American births are out of wedlock
PolitiFact
By Louis Jacobson on Monday, July 29th, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
Quote:More than 72 percent of children in the African-American community are born out of wedlock.
We could say this is not a big deal. It's simply an act two consenting adults engage in and it's really nobody's business.
However, other studies have demonstrated that children born into single-parent homes are severely disadvantaged.
Effects of Out-of-Wedlock Births on Society
Quote:
- Intergenerational
The absence of married parents can lead to intergenerational out-of-wedlock births.
- Crime
a major study of 11,000 individuals found that “the percentage of single-parent households with children between the ages of 12 and 20 is significantly associated with rates of violent crime and burglary.”
- Welfare
The absence of married parents reinforces the cycle of welfare.
an increase of roughly $200 per a month in welfare benefits per family causes the teenage out-of-wedlock birth rate in a state to increase by 150 percent.
- Role of Government
The evidence is clear and disturbing, being born outside of marriage lowers the health of newborns and increases their chances of dying; it delays children’s cognitive (especially their verbal) development; it lowers their educational achievement; it lowers their job attainment; it increases their behavior problems; it lowers their impulse control; it warps their social development; it helps change their community from being a support to being a danger to their development; and it increases the crime rate in their community.
To make the situation worse, the government has instilled powerful incentives in the welfare system which makes illegitimacy a community way of life, particularly in very poor communities. The widespread incidence of illegitimacy in turn passes on all these effects to the next generation in an even more malignant form.
On one hand two unmarried people engaging in a sexual encounter is nobody's business. However, the child born out of wedlock becomes society's business.
