(06-24-2018 06:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote: I have mentioned several times in both this forum and the old U of Memphis Politics and Religion forum that I honestly feel sorry for Democrats. Not the politicians or the radicals, but the average guy on the street, the folks we say "hi" to as we pass in the store, our neighbors, etc.
Why? Because I knew what they were going through. After all, we conservatives went through it when the RINO establishment took over our party.
The average Joe Dem has more in common with us than with the radleft.
They don't favor abortion on demand. They don't favor uninhibited illegal immigration. They don't favor many of the issues the radleft Dems/Socialists push.
Yeah, I feel sorry for them. I really do.
And I'm really glad they're joining our ranks of being DONE with establishment and radical anti-American politics.
Welcome home!
Great points. I can vouch for Southern DEMS here in my part of North Carolina. I know many through work or some that go to my church and they're great, common sense, logical, passionate, love America people.
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(06-24-2018 06:30 PM)umbluegray Wrote: I have mentioned several times in both this forum and the old U of Memphis Politics and Religion forum that I honestly feel sorry for Democrats. Not the politicians or the radicals, but the average guy on the street, the folks we say "hi" to as we pass in the store, our neighbors, etc.
Why? Because I knew what they were going through. After all, we conservatives went through it when the RINO establishment took over our party.
The average Joe Dem has more in common with us than with the radleft.
They don't favor abortion on demand. They don't favor uninhibited illegal immigration. They don't favor many of the issues the radleft Dems/Socialists push.
Yeah, I feel sorry for them. I really do.
And I'm really glad they're joining our ranks of being DONE with establishment and radical anti-American politics.
Welcome home!
Great points. I can vouch for Southern DEMS here in my part of North Carolina. I know many through work or some that go to my church and they're great, common sense, logical, passionate, love America people.
Exactly.
I know what I see on TV on in other media forums is not true. I know it.
But I admit that sometimes it makes me wonder -- how can people be this clueless?
I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
it doesn't matter.....
the party tag has now simply become a label in division....
3rd party isn't an option.....never has been in current times....
Lots of dems I know 'walked away' to Bernie... and while I disagree with their politics, I did when they were democrats as well. The challenge is/was, Bernie is/was a movement about Bernie and not about 'democratic socialism'.
Trump won because he was 'the fringe', but a large fringe for the GOP... whom the core would 'have' to support. Hillary WAS the core, and she ignored/conspired against her fringe.
This is the left moving MORE left, not 'right'.... which I hope will lead to the right moving more center (socially)
(06-25-2018 12:18 PM)Hambone10 Wrote: Lots of dems I know 'walked away' to Bernie... and while I disagree with their politics, I did when they were democrats as well. The challenge is/was, Bernie is/was a movement about Bernie and not about 'democratic socialism'.
Trump won because he was 'the fringe', but a large fringe for the GOP... whom the core would 'have' to support. Hillary WAS the core, and she ignored/conspired against her fringe.
This is the left moving MORE left, not 'right'.... which I hope will lead to the right moving more center (socially)
XACLY! what is happening......as it should have long ago.....
(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
I HOPE so.
Lots of liberal ideals in the libertarian party
The only thing I don't know is where the DNC will fall. If they don't move left, they'll lose the party. If they DO move left, they'll lose moderates/swings. MAYBE we get to a 3 party system, which IMO would be the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency.
Whether the left walks and Democrats become centrist or the party moves left and the middle join with socially liberal conservatives (my hope) is what I don't know
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(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
I HOPE so.
Lots of liberal ideals in the libertarian party
The only thing I don't know is where the DNC will fall. If they don't move left, they'll lose the party. If they DO move left, they'll lose moderates/swings. MAYBE we get to a 3 party system, which IMO would be the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency.
IMO, that's extremely wishful thinking......however, I understand the argument.....
all the 3rd does is give the power back to the numbers.....
hell, the electorate proved that in '16 and why they failed.....
(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
I HOPE so.
Lots of liberal ideals in the libertarian party
The only thing I don't know is where the DNC will fall. If they don't move left, they'll lose the party. If they DO move left, they'll lose moderates/swings. MAYBE we get to a 3 party system, which IMO would be the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency.
Whether the left walks and Democrats become centrist or the party moves left and the middle join with socially liberal conservatives (my hope) is what I don't know
This would be ideal. For moderates like myself, I just can't vote for a lot of which GOP candidates in south stand for socially and I can't get behind the dems on fiscal issues. Trump is an a$$hole, but he is the best candidate to come out of the GOP in a long time and it really should not have been a surprise how the last election turned out. People that vote on principle rather than party were never going to vote for HRC even if they voted for Obama. I think the DNC underestimated how many of those Obama voters fell into this class. It would be wonderful if we had 3 parties. The prog nutcases, the ultra conservatives, and a party for the rest of the logical people in this country.
Someone said it on here before but I can't remember who. A party that campaigned on the policy of the government needs to stay out of my bedroom and my wallet would win landslide victories in this country.
(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
I HOPE so.
Lots of liberal ideals in the libertarian party
The only thing I don't know is where the DNC will fall. If they don't move left, they'll lose the party. If they DO move left, they'll lose moderates/swings. MAYBE we get to a 3 party system, which IMO would be the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency.
Whether the left walks and Democrats become centrist or the party moves left and the middle join with socially liberal conservatives (my hope) is what I don't know
This would be ideal. For moderates like myself, I just can't vote for a lot of which GOP candidates in south stand for socially and I can't get behind the dems on fiscal issues. Trump is an a$$hole, but he is the best candidate to come out of the GOP in a long time and it really should not have been a surprise how the last election turned out. People that vote on principle rather than party were never going to vote for HRC even if they voted for Obama. I think the DNC underestimated how many of those Obama voters fell into this class. It would be wonderful if we had 3 parties. The prog nutcases, the ultra conservatives, and a party for the rest of the logical people in this country.
Someone said it on here before but I can't remember who. A party that campaigned on the policy of the government needs to stay out of my bedroom and my wallet would win landslide victories in this country.
That is the libertarian platform but the big two stack the deck against them. And the extreme libertarians are as crazy as the extreme democrats and republicans.
(06-25-2018 12:05 PM)Chappy Wrote: I was clear that the left's hatred of free speech would eventually lead to this sort of awakening, but I doubt many of these people will become conservatives. Welcome to the Libertarian party, I guess?
I HOPE so.
Lots of liberal ideals in the libertarian party
The only thing I don't know is where the DNC will fall. If they don't move left, they'll lose the party. If they DO move left, they'll lose moderates/swings. MAYBE we get to a 3 party system, which IMO would be the best thing to come out of a Trump presidency.
Whether the left walks and Democrats become centrist or the party moves left and the middle join with socially liberal conservatives (my hope) is what I don't know
This would be ideal. For moderates like myself, I just can't vote for a lot of which GOP candidates in south stand for socially and I can't get behind the dems on fiscal issues. Trump is an a$$hole, but he is the best candidate to come out of the GOP in a long time and it really should not have been a surprise how the last election turned out. People that vote on principle rather than party were never going to vote for HRC even if they voted for Obama. I think the DNC underestimated how many of those Obama voters fell into this class. It would be wonderful if we had 3 parties. The prog nutcases, the ultra conservatives, and a party for the rest of the logical people in this country.
Someone said it on here before but I can't remember who. A party that campaigned on the policy of the government needs to stay out of my bedroom and my wallet would win landslide victories in this country.
so let's quickly review....
you have the executive branch that is 3rd party simply due to having to run as ®....let's not forget he threatened to run (I)
and you think a 3rd party will make a difference????
LMMFAO.......
you're simply begging to get run over by the dem-dumptruck-dixie-dumpsters......
have fun with that ideology......
this is why I gave 'da finga' to my political and econ profs..........
IMO, it simply doesn't make a lick of sensei......
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