(06-25-2018 11:52 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oh wow didn’t realize how bad Air Force hoops has been in 38 years of WAC/MWC competition.

The AFA has a height restriction for cadets, in addition to the post-graduation service commitment.

Their struggles in hoops is another reason why there isn't a no-football conference that both AFA would want to join and the conference would want AFA. The Missouri Valley? They are keen on trying to boost their members' chances of NCAA invitations and better seeding so that teams like this year's Loyola-Chicago have a better shot at making a run in the tournament. The MVC's worst team this year, Valparaiso, had an RPI of 187. The MVC wouldn't bring in Air Force's 253 RPI. Conversely, Air Force leadership isn't going to put AFA into the Summit or ZWAC.

If you could give AFA a conference like the Patriot League, or if the Patriot League would invite AFA (IIRC AFA asked once and was told no), that's probably the only way they'll leave the MWC.

In Air Force's case, I think what it would take is relocating the Academy at least one time zone to the east. Otherwise it's a no-go.

(06-25-2018 11:52 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oh wow didn’t realize how bad Air Force hoops has been in 38 years of WAC/MWC competition.

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So you’re saying they’re a coach away? That Air Force team was fun to watch. If I remember correctly, they used a modified Princeton offense and had a bunch of snipers. I seem to remember one guy about 6’9/6’10.

Army went 10-2 before joining C-USA and floated around .500 the years before that. They were always tough and respectable, not the doormat they became after C-USA. Granted, their new coach tried to implement a West Coast passing attack, which was part of their demise. Another note, the C-USA they joined was a better football conference than the American; it housed two P5 teams in Louisville and TCU, after all.

(06-26-2018 08:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  Army went 10-2 before joining C-USA and floated around .500 the years before that. They were always tough and respectable, not the doormat they became after C-USA. Granted, their new coach tried to implement a West Coast passing attack, which was part of their demise. Another note, the C-USA they joined was a better football conference than the American; it housed two P5 teams in Louisville and TCU, after all.

As someone who has been a Bearcat fan log enough to witness both leagues, I disagree. The AAC today is better at the top and has more depth than the 1998-2004 CUSA Army was part of (TCU was only a member from 2001-2003 BTW). For instance, last year the AAC had three teams finish with 10 win seasons; whereas the CUSA mostly only had one or two teams who finished with 10 win seasons (my alma mater actually won a share of CUSA in 2002 despite only winning 7 games).

It would take an AAC TV deal of 10 mil plus, if that happened the AAC doesn't need them anyways.

Just doesn't make sense for either party unless there is massive shuffling elsewhere

(06-26-2018 08:29 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 08:09 AM)esayem Wrote:  Army went 10-2 before joining C-USA and floated around .500 the years before that. They were always tough and respectable, not the doormat they became after C-USA. Granted, their new coach tried to implement a West Coast passing attack, which was part of their demise. Another note, the C-USA they joined was a better football conference than the American; it housed two P5 teams in Louisville and TCU, after all.

As someone who has been a Bearcat fan log enough to witness both leagues, I disagree. The AAC today is better at the top and has more depth than the 1998-2004 CUSA Army was part of (TCU was only a member from 2001-2003 BTW). For instance, last year the AAC had three teams finish with 10 win seasons; whereas the CUSA mostly only had one or two teams who finished with 10 win seasons (my alma mater actually won a share of CUSA in 2002 despite only winning 7 games).

Back then there were 11 game schedules, C-USA didn’t have a title game, and there were less bowl gams. So, less opportunities to win games. Plus, I would argue the schedule was harder, so going on volume of season wins alone is not sufficient.

It would make as much sense for Army and Navy to join the Mountain West Conference.

Mass & UTSA would help TV contract & Bowl tie-ins

One thing is clear. the Army and navy DO NOT want to have to share the revenue of the Army Navy game with the aac.

(06-26-2018 09:44 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Mass & UTSA would help TV contract & Bowl tie-ins

Recognizing that this is off topic, how would either of those schools help either of those things?

(06-26-2018 09:51 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 09:44 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  Mass & UTSA would help TV contract & Bowl tie-ins

Recognizing that this is off topic, how would either of those schools help either of those things?

I’m not sure how they would help those two things, but UMass has a great school profile and they are putting money into their program, while UTSA reminds me of the FLA schools—giant school in a large market.

I think the AFA would join the BIG12 or PAC12 before they join the AAC. I think the AFA is happy in the MWC and it would take the MWC closing up shop for them to leave.

Army tried the old CUSA (Alot of current AAC mbs)from 99 to 05 and it was a train wreck... I do not see them in a conf ever again..

(06-25-2018 08:06 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Air Force is not going anywhere. They actually value their relationship with Colorado State, Wyoming and to some extent, New Mexico. Plus, they play Boise State, Navy and Army every year. Why give all that up for a conference they have nothing in common with?

Army could be convinced though.

I have a hard time seeing those teams refuse to schedule Air Force because they made a good decision.

If all three were in the AAC they could guarantee that the three play each other every year. Giving them four OOC games to schedule CSU, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

(06-25-2018 08:59 PM)esayem Wrote:  Army wants to be competitive and their last conference experiment crippled the program for like 10 years. So unless Houston gets an invite to the Big XII and they end up in a division with Navy, SMU, Tulane, Tulsa, and Rice, I don't see it happening.

If Navy can be successful I would hope our men in the Army can.

(06-26-2018 10:39 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I think the AFA would join the BIG12 or PAC12 before they join the AAC. I think the AFA is happy in the MWC and it would take the MWC closing up shop for them to leave.

Army tried the old CUSA (Alot of current AAC mbs)from 99 to 05 and it was a train wreck... I do not see them in a conf ever again..

Football was a different game back then. Today's football is a lot more friendly towards non-blueblood programs. Also I would say the the old CUSA was arguably better than the current AAC.

you want P6, Army & AF are not going to work
Mass is 13th most populis state, Keeping MWC out of Tex is impertive.
you want to beef up your profile for next TV contract. 9 conf games, expand or neutral site games
it's not off topic, it's my answer

(06-26-2018 10:39 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  I think the AFA would join the BIG12 ... before they join the AAC. I think the AFA is happy in the MWC ...

Ditto this; the MWC is a fine conference.

Rumor is that AFA turned down an inquiry from the Big XII years ago due to AFA players' size limitations. However, if one or more major programs leave the Big XII, I could see all of the MWC's "frontrange" schools being offered membership. AFA would want to stay with these traditional rivals of theirs.

Navy and Army would continue to be popular nonconference games, not only for AFA but increasingly for the rest of the Big XII. We are, and always have been very pro-military in this part of the country.

(06-26-2018 10:46 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(06-25-2018 08:06 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  Air Force is not going anywhere. They actually value their relationship with Colorado State, Wyoming and to some extent, New Mexico. Plus, they play Boise State, Navy and Army every year. Why give all that up for a conference they have nothing in common with?

Army could be convinced though.

I have a hard time seeing those teams refuse to schedule Air Force because they made a good decision.

If all three were in the AAC they could guarantee that the three play each other every year. Giving them four OOC games to schedule CSU, Wyoming, and New Mexico.

They already do play each other every year.