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Here's a New Piece on Realignment From a Big 10 Perspective Out of Rutgers
https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index...f_big.html

This is a pretty nice assessment of things the Big 10 may be looking at. Naturally my take would be a little different from theirs, but I think this is worth reading and discussing. I find their assessments of several schools to be very accurate.
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(07-02-2018 10:26 PM)JRsec Wrote:  https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index...f_big.html

This is a pretty nice assessment of things the Big 10 may be looking at. Naturally my take would be a little different from theirs, but I think this is worth reading and discussing. I find their assessments of several schools to be very accurate.

I saw this article on twitter yesterday. Thought is was a pretty decent and fair assessment of the "what if's" for the next round of expansion.

I would argue with some of their candidates though. The B1G, (if it chooses to expand) isn't going to add schools that won't increase the conference value and won't add schools that overlap areas they already "own" so to speak. That's why Buffalo, Cincy, Temple, Iowa State, U Mass, U Conn and the service academies aren't really a possibility.

Should be interesting to see just how much "academics" matter in the next round of expansion. If there's some sort of merge (or explosion) of the XII & PAC, I'd at least have a conversation with WVU, and definitely be on the phone with Colorado. Would WVU's lack of academic standing be considered to weigh more than the potential great rivalries that could spawn from adding them? Same for OU, would they get the Nebraska treatment (no AAU but welcome anyway)?

In any case, I can't wait to see how the deck chairs are shuffled in 4-5 years.
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I've always (very quietly) believed there would be a day West Virgina would be a member of the Big Ten.

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I hold the opinion that West Virginia would be denied even with stellar academics. They don't add any recruiting value for athletes or students. They aren't much of a national brand. They aren't a cultural fit in the conference.

One thing in their favor is their watchable matchups when playing Penn State, Ohio State, Maryland, and even Rutgers. It's a shame they have overachieved so much that they outperform what you'd expect from a school like them. Basically they are a better ECU that doesn't have four P5 schools in state.
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I'd love to see WVU in -- we were conference mates with them for nearly 30 years between the Eastern-8/A10 and Big East.

Some interesting stretches in the NJ.com article. Once you get past Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas or Notre Dame I think everyone is a long shot, but Colorado is certainly intriguing.
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Interesting that an article from a Rutgers perspective did not mention Missouri as a potential expansion candidate.

Could it be because many Big Ten fans feel strongly that the Big Ten made a Big mistake by taking Rutgers instead of Missouri?

Let's face it, Rutgers athletics has been a big dumpster fire the last couple years. And the big reason for taking Rutgers, its TV market, is diminishing in importance as rights fees shift from cable tv to streaming.

Oh, well, Rutgers does have a good academic rep, which counts for something.
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I would rather have Rutgers than Missouri. They haven't been great themselves and had their off-field issues that caused their football team to fire the school president.
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(07-06-2018 06:53 PM)goofus Wrote:  Interesting that an article from a Rutgers perspective did not mention Missouri as a potential expansion candidate.

Could it be because many Big Ten fans feel strongly that the Big Ten made a Big mistake by taking Rutgers instead of Missouri?

Let's face it, Rutgers athletics has been a big dumpster fire the last couple years. And the big reason for taking Rutgers, its TV market, is diminishing in importance as rights fees shift from cable tv to streaming.

Oh, well, Rutgers does have a good academic rep, which counts for something.

Rutgers has been in a state of flux for a few years, but signs are they're putting resources back into their programs to get them back to where they were. It wasn't too long ago that they had a top 25 football program, no reason they can't get back to their winning ways.

I have NO inside information, but I can't help but think that there was a reason the B1G said "no thanks" to Missouri the last time realignment took place. They seemed like a "perfect fit" yet the B1G still declined. Something behind the scenes maybe? In any case, me thinks that ship has sailed.
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(07-07-2018 07:59 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 06:53 PM)goofus Wrote:  Interesting that an article from a Rutgers perspective did not mention Missouri as a potential expansion candidate.

Could it be because many Big Ten fans feel strongly that the Big Ten made a Big mistake by taking Rutgers instead of Missouri?

Let's face it, Rutgers athletics has been a big dumpster fire the last couple years. And the big reason for taking Rutgers, its TV market, is diminishing in importance as rights fees shift from cable tv to streaming.

Oh, well, Rutgers does have a good academic rep, which counts for something.

Rutgers has been in a state of flux for a few years, but signs are they're putting resources back into their programs to get them back to where they were. It wasn't too long ago that they had a top 25 football program, no reason they can't get back to their winning ways.

I have NO inside information, but I can't help but think that there was a reason the B1G said "no thanks" to Missouri the last time realignment took place. They seemed like a "perfect fit" yet the B1G still declined. Something behind the scenes maybe? In any case, me thinks that ship has sailed.

From a market perspective (which is what realignment was about in 2010-2) neither Missouri, nor Kansas, offered the Big 10 penetration into "new" markets. Between Nebraska, Iowa, and Illinois there wasn't much of Missouri and Kansas they didn't already reach. New Jersey on the other hand gave them that much more of the New York market. So add Newark and all of New Jersey to a % of New York City and there's your answer. The population of Kansas and Missouri together is around 11 million. The Big 10 easily doubled that (and more) by adding Rutgers.

We'd all like to think that our additions are about sports, hot schools, etc. But all realignment decisions are cold calculated business moves. Especially back then. The next ones will be too, but instead of markets the additions will be made for content value.

In that world the best additions for the Big 10 would be Notre Dame, Texas, or Oklahoma. North Carolina, Duke, and Virginia just don't bring content in the right sport. The problem is that the SEC would be more interested in Oklahoma, Texas, Clemson or Florida State. And seriously there is no gentlemen's agreement to exclude same state schools. If content reigns in 2023-4 then Clemson and Florida State are valuable. It's just that they won't be available until 2035. So the game is for Texas and Oklahoma who are two of the 3 WSJ's 1 billion dollar impact schools, with Ohio State being the other and Alabama almost creating 1 billion in impact. So Ideally the Big 10's dream scenario to 16 in 2024 would be Oklahoma and Notre Dame. The SEC's would probably be Texas and Florida State. I seriously doubt that either of us land those pairings. The best we can hope for realistically is one dream selection and a nice tag along.
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In addition to JRsec's contribution, Maryland and Rutgers provided rich recruiting territory for athletes and students. Future additions should prioritize this as football recruiting weakens in the traditional Big Ten area.
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(07-03-2018 05:49 PM)cubucks Wrote:  I've always (very quietly) believed there would be a day West Virgina would be a member of the Big Ten.

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Well, those Ohio State-West Virginia fan brawls would be epic.
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I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.
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(07-08-2018 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.

I still don't see the Kansas thing.

It's pretty obvious that the $$$ media contracts revolve almost exclusively around football. Kansas adds NOTHING to football. They add nothing in the way of new/larger markets either. They add nothing in the way of recruiting areas. Honestly, other than adding some cred to basketball, I don't see how they'd add enough value to bring them into the conference.

I like the OU idea, football blueblood with a national following. They'd bring value, Kansas wouldn't.

No offense to the Jayhawks, it's just the reality.

Speaking of which, interesting thread on Twitter from Flugaur about OU.

https://twitter.com/flugempire?ref_src=t...r%5Eauthor
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(07-09-2018 06:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-08-2018 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.

I still don't see the Kansas thing.

It's pretty obvious that the $$$ media contracts revolve almost exclusively around football. Kansas adds NOTHING to football. They add nothing in the way of new/larger markets either. They add nothing in the way of recruiting areas. Honestly, other than adding some cred to basketball, I don't see how they'd add enough value to bring them into the conference.

I like the OU idea, football blueblood with a national following. They'd bring value, Kansas wouldn't.

No offense to the Jayhawks, it's just the reality.

Speaking of which, interesting thread on Twitter from Flugaur about OU.

https://twitter.com/flugempire?ref_src=t...r%5Eauthor

I have no doubts that Oklahoma is a serious candidate for the Big 10, but I wouldn't put any stock in what Fluguar has to say. I strongly believe that BTM (Big Ten Man) is a fictional character that enables Fluguar to drive his Twitter hits for ad revenue while giving him a dodge on liability issues.

As to the T3 rights of Oklahoma they were sold by FOX to ESPN in the latest deal as part of the property of the RSN that airs them. The operative questions here are two.
1. Does the requirement of ESPN to sell those RSN's come after or before the completed transaction. 2. Did FOX proper sign the contract with Oklahoma for their T3 or did the RSN of FOX sign the contract.

As to date none of this has been made clear. But what we do know tells us that this is a non issue and is wholly unrelated to what OU may or may not choose to do in 2024.
How do I know this? Because the T3 deal expires in 2022 and it was only for 7 million a year out of which OU paid overhead. The OU profit in the current deal is between 3 and 4 million a year after overhead. Any Network could easily buy out the remainder of that deal even if it didn't expire moving forward.

Then ask the intelligent question here? Does the Big 10 have a network? Yes. What is assigned to that network? T3 rights. Does the SEC have a network? Yes. Ditto the explanation. Would Oklahoma forgo having T3 for two years if they were about to join the Big 10 or SEC, or would those to conference simply pay them 3 million for two years to buyout their two year gap in T3 to get them? Hell yes!!!

This is classic Fluguar Dudeesque B.S..

What Fluguar is doing here is shamelessly creating an issue where there is none. What OU does or doesn't do with T3 rights (which expire in 2022) is wholly inconsequential to where they move, if they move. And who owns those rights in the wake of the FOX/ESPN deal is wholly irrelevant as well.

So for that whole set of tweets what did he tell us of value? That the Big 10 is interested in having Oklahoma (one of the two most valuable schools that could potentially move) as a member. I ask you guys, "Is that news, or is it a no brainer?"
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(07-09-2018 06:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-08-2018 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.

I still don't see the Kansas thing.

It's pretty obvious that the $$$ media contracts revolve almost exclusively around football. Kansas adds NOTHING to football. They add nothing in the way of new/larger markets either. They add nothing in the way of recruiting areas. Honestly, other than adding some cred to basketball, I don't see how they'd add enough value to bring them into the conference.

I like the OU idea, football blueblood with a national following. They'd bring value, Kansas wouldn't.

No offense to the Jayhawks, it's just the reality.

Speaking of which, interesting thread on Twitter from Flugaur about OU.

https://twitter.com/flugempire?ref_src=t...r%5Eauthor

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-membe...ity-kansas

Kansas has been bad the last ten years, but it's not like Maryland and Rutgers were world-beaters.
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(07-09-2018 08:35 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-09-2018 06:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-08-2018 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.

I still don't see the Kansas thing.

It's pretty obvious that the $$$ media contracts revolve almost exclusively around football. Kansas adds NOTHING to football. They add nothing in the way of new/larger markets either. They add nothing in the way of recruiting areas. Honestly, other than adding some cred to basketball, I don't see how they'd add enough value to bring them into the conference.

I like the OU idea, football blueblood with a national following. They'd bring value, Kansas wouldn't.

No offense to the Jayhawks, it's just the reality.

Speaking of which, interesting thread on Twitter from Flugaur about OU.

https://twitter.com/flugempire?ref_src=t...r%5Eauthor

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-membe...ity-kansas

Kansas has been bad the last ten years, but it's not like Maryland and Rutgers were world-beaters.

True, but Maryland & Rutgers brought eyeballs to the "sets" so to speak and are in good recruiting grounds.

Kansas not so much.
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(07-10-2018 06:54 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-09-2018 08:35 PM)esayem Wrote:  
(07-09-2018 06:56 AM)BadgerMJ Wrote:  
(07-08-2018 06:37 PM)esayem Wrote:  I've said it once and I'll say it again, Kansas and Syracuse would be an absolute diabolical basketball-centric move by the Big 10. Oklahoma and Kansas would be the best of both worlds. Yes, Oklahoma is way out of the footprint, but the instant revival of OU-Nebraska on Thanksgiving/Thanksgiving weekend would be well worth it.

Texas is one of the few public schools that can successfully make it this day and age as a football independent. They could probably swing it to where an Oklahoma-less Big XII accepts their Olympic sports, while football plays an independent schedule.

I still don't see the Kansas thing.

It's pretty obvious that the $$$ media contracts revolve almost exclusively around football. Kansas adds NOTHING to football. They add nothing in the way of new/larger markets either. They add nothing in the way of recruiting areas. Honestly, other than adding some cred to basketball, I don't see how they'd add enough value to bring them into the conference.

I like the OU idea, football blueblood with a national following. They'd bring value, Kansas wouldn't.

No offense to the Jayhawks, it's just the reality.

Speaking of which, interesting thread on Twitter from Flugaur about OU.

https://twitter.com/flugempire?ref_src=t...r%5Eauthor

https://www.aau.edu/who-we-are/our-membe...ity-kansas

Kansas has been bad the last ten years, but it's not like Maryland and Rutgers were world-beaters.

True, but Maryland & Rutgers brought eyeballs to the "sets" so to speak and are in good recruiting grounds.

Kansas not so much.

People over look the value of Rutgers & Maryland from a recruiting ground addition for the B1G. Outside of Ohio those two areas can easily be the 2nd best area in any given year.
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