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IR4 regardless of conference affiliation, the folks that I know with direct Clemson ties are rightfully proud of their school. Because only in South Carolina will you find that a State's second school has been recognized year after year as academically superior to the Flagship University.
That fact is worth more than money.
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(07-06-2018 04:50 AM)XLance Wrote:  IR4 regardless of conference affiliation, the folks that I know with direct Clemson ties are rightfully proud of their school. Because only in South Carolina will you find that a State's second school has been recognized year after year as academically superior to the Flagship University.
That fact is worth more than money.

This cannot be overstated. Clemson is THE university of South Carolina.
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(07-05-2018 07:17 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-05-2018 02:11 PM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 11:09 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  To be fair, the last five GT home games includes a Thursday night game where attendance was only 75k (2013), a game played in the rain less than a week after a significant portion of the fan base dealt with massive flooding (2015), and last year's monsoon game.

I think it's interesting how different fanbases view Thursday night games.

Based on your post history, it seems like most Clemson fans find them to be an annoyance.

In contrast, VT fans typically look forward to Thursday night home games and the fanbase was upset a few years ago when we didn't have one on the schedule. Perhaps the tradition of playing on Thursday nights is just stronger due to VT's ties to the Big East, where getting the exposure of that night as the program grew in stature has lots to do with VT's name value now.

Just an observation that I always find interesting among various fanbases on this board.

Significant portions of Clemson's fanbase has to travel 2+ hours to get to the game so a Thursday night home game means having to burn a vacation day and kids missing school. If you have a kid participating in athletics they are unable to attend the Clemson game because they have games or practice. Because of the amount of parking the stadium crowd requires Clemson has to cancel school and clear out parking lots. Then you have the game that ends late and travel time back. My family was unable to go to the GT game because of school athletic commitments, but the people we tailgate with did and didn't get home until close to 2AM and ended up just taking off work Friday as well. It cost them 2 vacation days to see one football game that never should have been played on a Thursday anyway.

Thursday night games also essentially eliminate any recruiting visits except for kids in the immediate area because the high school kids have practice. When you only have seven chances to showcase your stadium in action each year losing even one is a negative.

And while formerly the Thursday night games were a big deal with the competition from the NFL games and the fact that now there are often multiple college games across the different networks I question the level of exposure you are really getting.

All of this describes the VT fanbase too. A lot of VT alumni are at least 3.5 hours away in Richmond or Northern VA. I wasn't taking shots at the Clemson fanbase, just an observation that most VT fans I know look forward to a Thursday night home game.

And I agree with you and GTS about the diminishing importance of Thursday night exposure in today's environment. However, that doesn't seem to stop the VT fanbase from getting excited about and attending a big Thursday night home game (like the Miami game in 2016).

Thursday nights at Lane Stadium are pretty special from personal experience. All I was saying in my previous post is that the history of playing on Thursday nights is more ingrained at VT, so perhaps we don't see it as much of a negative as other fanbases might.
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Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.
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(07-05-2018 08:28 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  My job allows me to take 1/2 vacation days. Leave at lunch time on Thursday, return to work after lunch on Friday. Some employers allow it, some don't.

My former job only allowed leave to be taken in blocks of 12 hours (12/24/36/48/etc.)

My wife's job only allows sick leave to be taken in part to allow for Dr/Dentist appointments.

Doesn't change the fact that kids have to miss school time to make it to a Thursday night game.
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(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.
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(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!
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(07-06-2018 08:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!


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IR4CU was trying to start a discussion re: Clemson sec vs. Clemson ACC.
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(07-06-2018 09:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!


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IR4CU was trying to start a discussion re: Clemson sec vs. Clemson ACC.

Clemson's academic status has absolutely zero to do with it's athletic conference affiliation. If athletic conference held any sway in the academic mission we would try to get away with the same type of academic fraud that UNC got put on probation for by SACS.
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(07-06-2018 08:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!

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(07-06-2018 09:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 09:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 11:43 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Clemson enrollment: 21K
Clemson stadium: 81.5K
%full with only students: 26%
extra bodies needed: 60.5K

Virginia Tech enrollment: 31K
Virginia Tech stadium: 65.6K
%full with only students: 47%
extra bodies needed: 34.6K

I submit that there's your explanation for why VT loves Thursday night but Clemson doesn't.

No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!


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IR4CU was trying to start a discussion re: Clemson sec vs. Clemson ACC.

Clemson's academic status has absolutely zero to do with it's athletic conference affiliation. If athletic conference held any sway in the academic mission we would try to get away with the same type of academic fraud that UNC got put on probation for by SACS.


Do you think that the ACC &/or NCAA would let Clemson walk the same way they did NC?


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(07-07-2018 08:35 AM)Lenvillecards Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 09:49 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 09:26 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(07-06-2018 08:13 PM)XLance Wrote:  No offense, but nobody would ever confuse the academic reputation of UVa and VT and likewise everybody knows that Clemson is academically head and shoulders above the coots.

What does that have to do with supporting a Thursday night football game? Stop drinking and posting!


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IR4CU was trying to start a discussion re: Clemson sec vs. Clemson ACC.

Clemson's academic status has absolutely zero to do with it's athletic conference affiliation. If athletic conference held any sway in the academic mission we would try to get away with the same type of academic fraud that UNC got put on probation for by SACS.


Do you think that the ACC &/or NCAA would let Clemson walk the same way they did NC?


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Nope. One year post-season ban from the NCAA, with a second year from the ACC... just guessing.
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(07-04-2018 12:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 12:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If Georgia Tech has a decent team they'd sell out a 90-95k Memorial Stadium.

There are two parts to the equation that yields a full stadium.

1. You have to have a consistently above average product and intermittent conference championships aids this greatly.

2. You have to have a home schedule that your people are jazzed to see. Rivals are also key to this.

Consistently keep those two factors working for you and you will succeed in ticket sales and donations for good tickets. Competition for available seating fills the stadium.

But playing schools that don't excite your fans is a killer. Get Auburn back on the Tech OOC schedule regularly. Make sure you are in a division with Clemson and Florida State. And keep Dawgs coming every other year and the ticket book will be exciting to Tech alums. Then winning at least 70% of your games will do the rest.

Agree with JR, but some strategic scheduling may be needed. I would say keep UGA on the schedule every year, but play Auburn & Tennessee in a rotation (two of Tech’s biggest rivals outside of UGA & Clemson) either every four years or every other year. I would add UGA needs to do something similar with Clemson. One school I would definitely add in addition to UGA on Tech’s schedule would be Vandy, and I would have it set up where GT plays Vandy in men & women’s basketball and baseball too!! This is getting Tech’s name back in SEC country and you would be playing a somewhat comparable school too.
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(07-08-2018 03:06 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 12:49 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(07-04-2018 12:30 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If Georgia Tech has a decent team they'd sell out a 90-95k Memorial Stadium.

There are two parts to the equation that yields a full stadium.

1. You have to have a consistently above average product and intermittent conference championships aids this greatly.

2. You have to have a home schedule that your people are jazzed to see. Rivals are also key to this.

Consistently keep those two factors working for you and you will succeed in ticket sales and donations for good tickets. Competition for available seating fills the stadium.

But playing schools that don't excite your fans is a killer. Get Auburn back on the Tech OOC schedule regularly. Make sure you are in a division with Clemson and Florida State. And keep Dawgs coming every other year and the ticket book will be exciting to Tech alums. Then winning at least 70% of your games will do the rest.

Agree with JR, but some strategic scheduling may be needed. I would say keep UGA on the schedule every year, but play Auburn & Tennessee in a rotation (two of Tech’s biggest rivals outside of UGA & Clemson) either every four years or every other year. I would add UGA needs to do something similar with Clemson. One school I would definitely add in addition to UGA on Tech’s schedule would be Vandy, and I would have it set up where GT plays Vandy in men & women’s basketball and baseball too!! This is getting Tech’s name back in SEC country and you would be playing a somewhat comparable school too.
Vanderbilt on the schedule every year is tough due to ACC scheduling and UGA taking a slot out of conference every year. They have played in football and men's basketball probably a half-dozen times in the back half of the last decade or so.

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Neither. The answer is B1G.

B1G has been eying Atlanta market for a while. Clemson would be a perfect traveling partner for Georgia Tech as the two schools are quite far away from the core of B1G.
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(07-09-2018 07:40 AM)ArQ Wrote:  Neither. The answer is B1G.

B1G has been eying Atlanta market for a while. Clemson would be a perfect traveling partner for Georgia Tech as the two schools are quite far away from the core of B1G.

Don't be ridiculous. The Pac-12 needs East coast exposure...
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