(07-04-2018 04:09 PM)quo vadis Wrote: (07-04-2018 03:58 PM)Wedge Wrote: Once the committee started putting non-champs in the playoff, thus leaving at least two P5 champs out every year that they do that, it decreased the believability of the committee's "We'll give a lot of weight to conference titles" rhetoric, and increased the chances that autobids will be included in the next playoff expansion.
But, if the TV guys paying the money prefer that a committee select all 8 teams, then money will probably win out over FOMO.
I'm not sure the P5 care much about conference champs missing the playoffs. The B1G, for example, put up basically zero fuss about Ohio State missing out this past year.
Well, OSU had two losses. 5 major conferences, 4 spots.
Quote:The P5 like the CFP money situation and they know that college football, for 120 years, has never had a process that auto-included conference champs.
On the contrary. Before the rise of the Fiesta, all of the major bowls had automatic bids. Rose was Big 10 vs Pac-8-10, Sugar SEC, Cotton SWC, Orange Big 8.
The Bowl Coalition and then the Bowl Alliance kept that intact, before evolving into the BCS.
Quote:Not necessarily speaking about you, but seems that this forum has a lot of posters who are young, who basically have grown up watching college football in the BCS era, and don't know much about how things historically were. So to them, the lack of a big elaborate formal playoff system with conference champ slots seems outrageous, and it also makes them believe that its coming is inevitable.
Time marches on. The tradition that tied certain conferences to certain games has been erased, except for the Rose Bowl to a certain extent.
Going down the list:
SEC: Sugar Bowl. For most of the BCS and CFP eras, the SEC champion was in the national title game or the playoffs, so the Sugar Bowl was a often a consolation prize for the runner-up.
ACC: Orange Bowl Dates back "only" 20 years. Miami, FSU, Clemson, Georgia Tech have history with the OB, everybody else not so much. (Jim Brown, yes, but nobody says that Syracuse has historic Cotton Bowl ties).
Big 8/SWC: Orange/Cotton/Fiesta Bowl. Yeah, whatever. NEXT.
Except for the Rose Bowl, is anybody that much better than the "Peach Bowl", which was the "Chik-Fil-A Bowl" a minute ago?
(07-04-2018 04:13 PM)ohio1317 Wrote: If you are on the east coast for instance it wont particurally matter is USC looses a game in October when ranked high as they will almost certainly still control their destiny and the PAC-12 is probably getting a spot regardless. Meanwhile, the teams from your conference are probably getting a spot or two in regardless too.
With only two "at large" spots, there's still not a lot of margin for error. Maybe one conference has one really good team and the rest are garbage, so Big Time U can lose a game and still cruise to the CCG. But you're still going to see 11-1 or 12-1 P5 teams with soft schedules on the outside looking in.
Quote:This sport is at its core a regional one that has become national in the regular season laregly because of the setup. Diminish that and you get a bigger version of basketball (local following of most teams in the regular season and only huge national folllowing for the post season).
We said this about 4 teams too, though. Ten years ago, Ohio State loses to Virginia Tech in September and they're eliminated from the conversation. Now, a top-ten team loses in the nonconference, they're still in the picture because they can win their conference.
(07-04-2018 07:23 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote: So ... an auto bid for a P5 conference champ, to make an 8 team playoff????
NO. No ... NO.
If you win your conference championship, in the P5, and you aren't automatically Top 8, you don't deserve an automatic bid to the playoff.
By winning that conference championship, you SHOULD already be IN the top 8 ... It's the top 8 for crying out loud. TOP 8. If you aren't (say, an upset in the conference championship game of a team that is 8-4 overall) already in the top 8, you DON'T deserve a spot in the playoff. And neither does that conference.
Deserves got nothing to do with it.
Nobody's going to raise hell to get rid of autobids, and the G5 and at least one major conference will raise hell if you try.