(07-13-2018 07:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Tulsa hasn’t won an NCAA Tournament game in 15 years. That’s way too long. No one who follows college basketball today thinks of them as a Creighton/Xavier/Memphis. Sure they were 93-03 but too much time has passed.

Lol and winning 3 is a big deal? Creighton hasn't made a sweet sixteen since 1974 and before that it's the 1960s.

Creighton lacks NCAA Tournament success but they’re still a mainstay in actually making it. They’ve won 20+ games 18 of 20 years.

Tulsa has won 19 games or more 15 of the last 20, including 30+ once, and over 25 wins 5 times. During that same period they have an elite 8 run. They have an NIT championship and more wins in the NCAA tournament than Creighton during that time period. Would you like to try again?

Tulsa has 2 NCAA appearances and 0 wins in 15 years. Everything bolded is 98-03, except a 25-11 and 25-14 season.

So you believe Tulsa is considered a Creighton/Xavier/Memphis?

Yes, Tulsa>Creighton in 98-03. It’s been 15 years since then and the two programs have changed significantly. Creighton’s palace opened in 2003. Creighton enrolled into P6 status in 2014.

Your argument completely hinges on 93-03. That’s of little relevance to program perception in 2018 when Tulsa divebombed, Memphis peaked to a national title game, and Creighton/Xavier ascended into P6.

(07-13-2018 07:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 05:53 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 12:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 10:38 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  I don't know about major/mid-major labels, but there was/is a substantial impact on the conference branding of all of those schools. The C7 maintained the Big East affiliation with their programs - one that was a power basketball league for many years - which was pivotal in terms of remaining a top basketball conference. Had the C7 not bought the Big East name and MSG Tournament site, and instead gone with a "Catholic Conference", "Metro Conference" or "Big North", I think there would be a real struggle to maintain that perception.

Conversely, UConn, Cincinnati and USF going to the "American" brand I think really hurt their perception. In addition to now being affiliated with a high-number of C-USA call-ups, they not only selected a conference name that is similar to Conference USA (American), they used the same colors and branding affiliations. IMHO, if the league had selected the "Metro Conference", there would be a much stronger reception to their #Power6 campaign. It is tough to fight years of perceptions with an association to a mid-major league, especially when grouped with so many of them.

Yes because Memphis and Tulsa just don't match Creighton and Xavier.

Tulsa’s not in the conversation with those 3.

Ignornce must be bliss. Tulsa beat down Creighton on a regular in the mvc until the min 90s.

You can just look at their record from the time they were both in the league. Creighton's run starts after Tulsa leaves in 1999.

Creighton 21 NCAA, 3 sweet 16 and 1 elite eight, all before 1975. Since 1990 they have won 6 games and 4 since 2000. Mvc champs from 1934 -1996 eight, mostly in the 30s-40s and 1978, 1989, and 1991.

Tulsa 16 NCAA, 3 sweet sixteen and 1 elite eight, all since 1993. They have won 10 games since 1990 and 2 since 2000. Mvc championships 1934-1996 six, one in the 1950s the others in the 80s-90s.

Considering the difference in appearences almost matches the difference in NCAA births since the conference change (4-1) I would say there is little difference and maybe even weight it a bit towards Tulsa pre-2013

Xavier 28 NCAA 5 sweet sixteen, 3 elite eights all pretty much since 1990.

Memphis 20 (26) NCAA, 2 (5) sweet sixteens, 3 (4) elite eights, 1(3) final four. From the 1970s on. (Number including vacated)

Pretty sure that's an accurate comparison for teams added to each conference matching. Houston and Butler match well too.

Both sides added 3 teams of matching prestige. The AAC suffers from the dead weight (in basketball terms) of Tulane and ECU.

This guy going back to the 90's? Even me a Rutgers fan thinks you're reaching back a bit to far.

Tulsa can't be compared to Creighton.

Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

(07-13-2018 12:52 PM)stever20 Wrote:  there's nothing to decide. The Big East is a power conference. These last 4 years have shown that clearly.

As much as I support the Big East, while we are a Power on the court, and get respected as such, what happens on the court or field isn't what defines true Power. In fact, one can argue that true Power is evident when lots of good things happen to you *despite* failure on the court or field, or in Geno's words, when you "get $30 million just for showing up". Though now we'd have to update that to $40m.

The P5 schools all get their benefits - the huge TV deals, the favorable NY6 access, etc. - regardless of how good they perform. That's true power, heads I win tails you lose.

I don't think the Big East is there. We will be "powerful" so long as we perform that way. The SEC or B1G can go in to the toilet, have a few years where they put only 2-3 teams in the tournament, and yet their Power status is a given. The PAC can go 20 years without winning a title, and yet their Power status is a given too. The Big East isn't that way, we have to earn it over and over. If we have three straight years where we only put 2 teams in the tournament and our RPI drops down to 6 or below, we'll soon be the A10 or AAC, non-power.

The best evidence of that is coaching: We've seen some good Big East coaches leave for P5 teams. We haven't seen any P5 coaches leave for the Big East, and I don't think we will.

(07-13-2018 07:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Tulsa hasn’t won an NCAA Tournament game in 15 years. That’s way too long. No one who follows college basketball today thinks of them as a Creighton/Xavier/Memphis. Sure they were 93-03 but too much time has passed.

Lol and winning 3 is a big deal? Creighton hasn't made a sweet sixteen since 1974 and before that it's the 1960s.

Creighton lacks NCAA Tournament success but they’re still a mainstay in actually making it. They’ve won 20+ games 18 of 20 years.

Tulsa has won 19 games or more 15 of the last 20, including 30+ once, and over 25 wins 5 times. During that same period they have an elite 8 run. They have an NIT championship and more wins in the NCAA tournament than Creighton during that time period. Would you like to try again?

Tulsa has 2 NCAA appearances and 0 wins in 15 years. Everything bolded is 98-03, except a 25-11 and 25-14 season.

So you believe Tulsa is considered a Creighton/Xavier/Memphis?

Yes, Tulsa>Creighton in 98-03. It’s been 15 years since then and the two programs have changed significantly. Creighton’s palace opened in 2003. Creighton enrolled into P6 status in 2014.

Your argument completely hinges on 93-03. That’s of little relevance to program perception in 2018 when Tulsa divebombed, Memphis peaked to a national title game, and Creighton/Xavier ascended into P6.

I didn't pick 20 years you did.

Creighton in 15 years has won 3 NCAA games.

From 2003 until 2012 (before the big east AAC moves) it's 3 bids to 1. When they were both added there was no difference. Even adding in the last 5 years there is little difference between the programs overall.

But hey that's just facts. Kind of like these ones.

Creighton's record since the big east. 107-64, 3 NCAA, 1 NIT team. 1-3 NCAA record

Tulsa's record same time period. 99-54, 2 NCAA, 1 NIT team. 0-2 NCAA record.

Maybe you want to pick that specific time from 2006-2012? That will look better.

(07-13-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 05:53 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 12:56 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Yes because Memphis and Tulsa just don't match Creighton and Xavier.

Tulsa’s not in the conversation with those 3.

Ignornce must be bliss. Tulsa beat down Creighton on a regular in the mvc until the min 90s.

You can just look at their record from the time they were both in the league. Creighton's run starts after Tulsa leaves in 1999.

Creighton 21 NCAA, 3 sweet 16 and 1 elite eight, all before 1975. Since 1990 they have won 6 games and 4 since 2000. Mvc champs from 1934 -1996 eight, mostly in the 30s-40s and 1978, 1989, and 1991.

Tulsa 16 NCAA, 3 sweet sixteen and 1 elite eight, all since 1993. They have won 10 games since 1990 and 2 since 2000. Mvc championships 1934-1996 six, one in the 1950s the others in the 80s-90s.

Considering the difference in appearences almost matches the difference in NCAA births since the conference change (4-1) I would say there is little difference and maybe even weight it a bit towards Tulsa pre-2013

Xavier 28 NCAA 5 sweet sixteen, 3 elite eights all pretty much since 1990.

Memphis 20 (26) NCAA, 2 (5) sweet sixteens, 3 (4) elite eights, 1(3) final four. From the 1970s on. (Number including vacated)

Pretty sure that's an accurate comparison for teams added to each conference matching. Houston and Butler match well too.

Both sides added 3 teams of matching prestige. The AAC suffers from the dead weight (in basketball terms) of Tulane and ECU.

This guy going back to the 90's? Even me a Rutgers fan thinks you're reaching back a bit to far.

Tulsa can't be compared to Creighton.

Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

Yeah, thats the joke. Even us Rutgers fans still living off of Schiano glory think you are reaching a bit to far back.

A lot about Creighton, still stand by Tulsa being perceived as Xavier and Memphis?

(07-13-2018 09:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A lot about Creighton, still stand by Tulsa being perceived as Xavier and Memphis?

Ahhh, the never ending moving of goal posts.

Go back and read the thread. It was implied that the big east was better because of the teams added. My point was and remains that Houston, Memphis, and Tulsa are roughly equal to Butler, Xavier, and Memphis.

Historically the programs of the big east and the AAC match up well. The difference between the conferences since the split are about Memphis and UConn performing below historical norms. Everyone else for the AAC has been meh/good. The Big East teams however have played to their potential for the most part. Nova and Xavier have been outstanding and led the way. With out the two anchors the AAC has and with their top teams playing well they have had the advantage. It will be interesting to see how it works out the next five or six years with the leagues stable and established.

(07-13-2018 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 05:53 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 01:50 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Tulsa’s not in the conversation with those 3.

Ignornce must be bliss. Tulsa beat down Creighton on a regular in the mvc until the min 90s.

You can just look at their record from the time they were both in the league. Creighton's run starts after Tulsa leaves in 1999.

Creighton 21 NCAA, 3 sweet 16 and 1 elite eight, all before 1975. Since 1990 they have won 6 games and 4 since 2000. Mvc champs from 1934 -1996 eight, mostly in the 30s-40s and 1978, 1989, and 1991.

Tulsa 16 NCAA, 3 sweet sixteen and 1 elite eight, all since 1993. They have won 10 games since 1990 and 2 since 2000. Mvc championships 1934-1996 six, one in the 1950s the others in the 80s-90s.

Considering the difference in appearences almost matches the difference in NCAA births since the conference change (4-1) I would say there is little difference and maybe even weight it a bit towards Tulsa pre-2013

Xavier 28 NCAA 5 sweet sixteen, 3 elite eights all pretty much since 1990.

Memphis 20 (26) NCAA, 2 (5) sweet sixteens, 3 (4) elite eights, 1(3) final four. From the 1970s on. (Number including vacated)

Pretty sure that's an accurate comparison for teams added to each conference matching. Houston and Butler match well too.

Both sides added 3 teams of matching prestige. The AAC suffers from the dead weight (in basketball terms) of Tulane and ECU.

This guy going back to the 90's? Even me a Rutgers fan thinks you're reaching back a bit to far.

Tulsa can't be compared to Creighton.

Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

Yeah, thats the joke. Even us Rutgers fans still living off of Schiano glory think you are reaching a bit to far back.

Hmm, Rutgers fans? I've seen pics of your stadium and arena. I feel you're over exagerating.

Did Schiano pull the old credit card trick too? Get back to me when you have more than one year of success in . . . Well I guess any sport.

Does it feel bad knowing a small 3,000 undergrad private school has the sort of athletic history you dream of?

(07-13-2018 09:10 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:54 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:35 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 06:33 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Lol and winning 3 is a big deal? Creighton hasn't made a sweet sixteen since 1974 and before that it's the 1960s.

Creighton lacks NCAA Tournament success but they’re still a mainstay in actually making it. They’ve won 20+ games 18 of 20 years.

Tulsa has won 19 games or more 15 of the last 20, including 30+ once, and over 25 wins 5 times. During that same period they have an elite 8 run. They have an NIT championship and more wins in the NCAA tournament than Creighton during that time period. Would you like to try again?

Tulsa has 2 NCAA appearances and 0 wins in 15 years. Everything bolded is 98-03, except a 25-11 and 25-14 season.

So you believe Tulsa is considered a Creighton/Xavier/Memphis?

Yes, Tulsa>Creighton in 98-03. It’s been 15 years since then and the two programs have changed significantly. Creighton’s palace opened in 2003. Creighton enrolled into P6 status in 2014.

Your argument completely hinges on 93-03. That’s of little relevance to program perception in 2018 when Tulsa divebombed, Memphis peaked to a national title game, and Creighton/Xavier ascended into P6.

I didn't pick 20 years you did.

Creighton in 15 years has won 3 NCAA games.

From 2003 until 2012 (before the big east AAC moves) it's 3 bids to 1. When they were both added there was no difference. Even adding in the last 5 years there is little difference between the programs overall.

But hey that's just facts. Kind of like these ones.

Creighton's record since the big east. 107-64, 3 NCAA, 1 NIT team. 1-3 NCAA record

Tulsa's record same time period. 99-54, 2 NCAA, 1 NIT team. 0-2 NCAA record.

Maybe you want to pick that specific time from 2006-2012? That will look better.

Since Omaha’s CenturyLink opened in 2003, Creighton has 7 apperances with 3 wins and seeds of 3/6/7/8/8/10/10. Tulsa has 2 appearances with 0 wins and seeds of 11/13.

Creighton has 3 appearances with 1 win and seeds of 3/6/8 in 5 years of Big East play. Tulsa has 1 apperance with 0 wins and an 11 seed in 4 years of AAC play. (Otherwise, it’s 4/2 and 1/0 pre-BE/AAC.)

Tulsa has 2 25 win seasons (25-11, 25-14) in 15 seasons. Creighton’s beaten both (27-8, 25-10) in just 5 years against Big East competition, not counting 27-8, 28-8, & 29-6 in the 5 years (09-13) leading up to Big East entrance.

No matter how you slice it (5/10/15), Tulsa is certainly not Creighton (let alone Xavier or Memphis) since CenturyLink opened 15 years ago. There is no argument to be had for Tulsa being at Creighton/Xavier/Memphis levels.

93-03 is a Golden Age for Tulsa but it’s a non-factor in today’s general perception.

(07-13-2018 10:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 09:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A lot about Creighton, still stand by Tulsa being perceived as Xavier and Memphis?

Go back and read the thread. It was implied that the big east was better because of the teams added. My point was and remains that Houston, Memphis, and Tulsa are roughly equal to Butler, Xavier, and Memphis.

I read it. This was our exchange:

TU4Ever Wrote:Yes because Memphis and Tulsa just don't match Creighton and Xavier.

IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:Tulsa is not in the conversation with those 3.

(07-13-2018 10:10 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 05:53 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Ignornce must be bliss. Tulsa beat down Creighton on a regular in the mvc until the min 90s.

You can just look at their record from the time they were both in the league. Creighton's run starts after Tulsa leaves in 1999.

Creighton 21 NCAA, 3 sweet 16 and 1 elite eight, all before 1975. Since 1990 they have won 6 games and 4 since 2000. Mvc champs from 1934 -1996 eight, mostly in the 30s-40s and 1978, 1989, and 1991.

Tulsa 16 NCAA, 3 sweet sixteen and 1 elite eight, all since 1993. They have won 10 games since 1990 and 2 since 2000. Mvc championships 1934-1996 six, one in the 1950s the others in the 80s-90s.

Considering the difference in appearences almost matches the difference in NCAA births since the conference change (4-1) I would say there is little difference and maybe even weight it a bit towards Tulsa pre-2013

Xavier 28 NCAA 5 sweet sixteen, 3 elite eights all pretty much since 1990.

Memphis 20 (26) NCAA, 2 (5) sweet sixteens, 3 (4) elite eights, 1(3) final four. From the 1970s on. (Number including vacated)

Pretty sure that's an accurate comparison for teams added to each conference matching. Houston and Butler match well too.

Both sides added 3 teams of matching prestige. The AAC suffers from the dead weight (in basketball terms) of Tulane and ECU.

This guy going back to the 90's? Even me a Rutgers fan thinks you're reaching back a bit to far.

Tulsa can't be compared to Creighton.

Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

Yeah, thats the joke. Even us Rutgers fans still living off of Schiano glory think you are reaching a bit to far back.

Hmm, Rutgers fans? I've seen pics of your stadium and arena. I feel you're over exagerating.

Did Schiano pull the old credit card trick too? Get back to me when you have more than one year of success in . . . Well I guess any sport.

Does it feel bad knowing a small 3,000 undergrad private school has the sort of athletic history you dream of?

Hahaha yeah, we're dreaming of being Tulsa. Didn't Tulane get an invite to the AAC before you?

AAC fans always think they can talk smack to Rutgers. Sorry kids, we might get our butts kicked but it's to the big dogs of the college sports world. I'll think of you when Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin...etc etc etc come to Piscataway.

Im sorry but I don't get the credit card joke. Is it because we spent a bunch of money and have a bunch of debt? Well thats called investment which paid off with a B1G invite and in a few years when we get a full share we can easily pay that off. Why do you think Maryland left the ACC? That sweet sweet money! We can spend it because we make it.

*EDIT*
Oh I see what you mean, the two kids who got kicked off the team. Seriously though, glass houses and all. This is disgusting.

https://www.fox23.com/news/child-abuse-m.../659128886

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/t...a354a.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../21856911/

Oh, and this wasn’t accurate.

TU4Ever Wrote:Creighton's record since the big east. 107-64
Tulsa's record same time period. 99-54

Tulsa is 98-65. This is inflated by a 21-13 season against 13th ranked CUSA.

BE Creighton 107-64 (.626) against #3 league
AAC Tulsa 77-52 (.597) against #7 league

(07-13-2018 10:37 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 10:01 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 09:30 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  A lot about Creighton, still stand by Tulsa being perceived as Xavier and Memphis?

Go back and read the thread. It was implied that the big east was better because of the teams added. My point was and remains that Houston, Memphis, and Tulsa are roughly equal to Butler, Xavier, and Memphis.

I read it. This was our exchange:

TU4Ever Wrote:Yes because Memphis and Tulsa just don't match Creighton and Xavier.

IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:Tulsa is not in the conversation with those 3.

Yes and reading comprehension is not your strong suit.

Creighton and tulsa are the same. We were the same before we entered the new conferences.

Xavier and Memphis are the same and were before they entered the new conference.

The add ons were equal to each other.

Using overall records is frankly a joke. Especially given that Creighton schedules like a wimp in OOC schedules normally.

Creighton OOC schedules last 5 years- 292 192 298 260 122
Tulsa in same period last 5 years- 217 92 127 136 82

I mean, Creighton a few years ago was 9-9 in Big East play, and 18-14 overall. And not only missed the NCAA tourney, but was a 4 seed in the NIT only. Tulsa was 20-11 same season in the AAC and made the NCAA tourney, partially due to a 127 OOC SOS.

Creighton got real lucky to be doing well when the Big East expanded. Right place at the right time. If McDermott had already graduated, or even maybe moreso if Rick Majerus hadn't passed away, Creighton isn't in the Big East.

You didn’t correspond Tulsa with Creighton when listing them (“Memphis and Tulsa”; “Creighton and Xavier”) so excuse me.

Regardless, the 10 years of Creighton and Tulsa prior to new conferences are still 4/2 (10/10/8/7) and 1/0 (13). Add the attendance difference (Creighton quadrupled Tulsa) their final years as mid-majors and no, they were not the same.

(07-13-2018 11:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Using overall records is frankly a joke. Especially given that Creighton schedules like a wimp in OOC schedules normally.

Creighton OOC schedules last 5 years- 292 192 298 260 122
Tulsa in same period last 5 years- 217 92 127 136 82

I mean, Creighton a few years ago was 9-9 in Big East play, and 18-14 overall. And not only missed the NCAA tourney, but was a 4 seed in the NIT only. Tulsa was 20-11 same season in the AAC and made the NCAA tourney, partially due to a 127 OOC SOS.

Creighton got real lucky to be doing well when the Big East expanded. Right place at the right time. If McDermott had already graduated, or even maybe moreso if Rick Majerus hadn't passed away, Creighton isn't in the Big East.

Tulsa fan brought up overall record because he thought that was the only pro for Tulsa in the comparison. Point is, no matter the metric (overall record, ncaa appearances, ncaa wins) Creighton is objectively above Tulsa’s level the last 5, 10, 15 years.

(07-13-2018 10:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 10:10 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 07:47 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  This guy going back to the 90's? Even me a Rutgers fan thinks you're reaching back a bit to far.

Tulsa can't be compared to Creighton.

Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

Yeah, thats the joke. Even us Rutgers fans still living off of Schiano glory think you are reaching a bit to far back.

Hmm, Rutgers fans? I've seen pics of your stadium and arena. I feel you're over exagerating.

Did Schiano pull the old credit card trick too? Get back to me when you have more than one year of success in . . . Well I guess any sport.

Does it feel bad knowing a small 3,000 undergrad private school has the sort of athletic history you dream of?

Hahaha yeah, we're dreaming of being Tulsa. Didn't Tulane get an invite to the AAC before you?

AAC fans always think they can talk smack to Rutgers. Sorry kids, we might get our butts kicked but it's to the big dogs of the college sports world. I'll think of you when Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin...etc etc etc come to Piscataway.

Im sorry but I don't get the credit card joke. Is it because we spent a bunch of money and have a bunch of debt? Well thats called investment which paid off with a B1G invite and in a few years when we get a full share we can easily pay that off. Why do you think Maryland left the ACC? That sweet sweet money! We can spend it because we make it.

*EDIT*
Oh I see what you mean, the two kids who got kicked off the team. Seriously though, glass houses and all. This is disgusting.

https://www.fox23.com/news/child-abuse-m.../659128886

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/t...a354a.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../21856911/

Bwahaha you mad? This isn't even trying.

Hmmm, students do bad things.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/12/vi...inter.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/tyler-...index.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index...urder.html

http://newjersey.news12.com/story/381471...der-charge

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Rutgers-footb...-114956336

https://thetab.com/us/rutgers/2018/01/15...2017-13385

http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/cri...t-stranger

Or

University does bad things


https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...ife/crime/ Finally in the top 25 for something, out of nearly 3,000 schools you have the 24th least safe campus. Oops


https://patch.com/new-jersey/newbrunswic...port-finds 8th?!?!


https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports...783746002/

https://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2...ty_me.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index..._rice.html

https://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2...t_con.html

http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/new...treetfight


Rutgers is the kid who gets a million dollars from his dad and tells everyone he got rich.

(07-13-2018 11:39 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 11:28 PM)stever20 Wrote:  Using overall records is frankly a joke. Especially given that Creighton schedules like a wimp in OOC schedules normally.

Creighton OOC schedules last 5 years- 292 192 298 260 122
Tulsa in same period last 5 years- 217 92 127 136 82

I mean, Creighton a few years ago was 9-9 in Big East play, and 18-14 overall. And not only missed the NCAA tourney, but was a 4 seed in the NIT only. Tulsa was 20-11 same season in the AAC and made the NCAA tourney, partially due to a 127 OOC SOS.

Creighton got real lucky to be doing well when the Big East expanded. Right place at the right time. If McDermott had already graduated, or even maybe moreso if Rick Majerus hadn't passed away, Creighton isn't in the Big East.

Tulsa fan brought up overall record because he thought that was the only pro for Tulsa in the comparison. Point is, no matter the metric (overall record, ncaa appearances, ncaa wins) Creighton is objectively above Tulsa’s level the last 5, 10, 15 years.

You just can't help yourself can you? Goal post move, goal post move, goal post move

5 years, nope sorry not much difference and I didn't even know about your trash ooc schedule. Really? No top 100s? One top 150? That's beyond a joke.

But hey you found that sweet spot where you finally for a short time period Creighton was better than Tulsa, and it's a whole 2 NCAA wins difference.

Meanwhile when we played in the same conference we beat on them. When you compare the programs since we left the same conference there is little difference. The total history of the two programs has little difference.

Moving goalposts? I’ve recycled the same points over and over: Creighton beats Tulsa in every metric (record, NCAA apps, NCAA wins, attendance) over 5, 10, 15 years since CenturyLink opened.

You brought up overall record in the BE/AAC era but were caught lying about it and now refusing to acknowledge the posts and deflect.

Posts you’ve ignored:

(07-13-2018 10:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Oh, and this wasn’t accurate.

TU4Ever Wrote:Creighton's record since the big east. 107-64
Tulsa's record same time period. 99-54

Tulsa is 98-65. This is inflated by a 21-13 season against 13th ranked CUSA.

BE Creighton 107-64 (.626) against #3 league
AAC Tulsa 77-52 (.597) against #7 league

(07-13-2018 11:34 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Regardless, the 10 years of Creighton and Tulsa prior to new conferences are still 4/2 (10/10/8/7) and 1/0 (13). Add the attendance difference (Creighton quadrupled Tulsa) their final years as mid-majors and no, they were not the same.

(07-14-2018 12:06 AM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 10:48 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 10:10 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 09:17 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  

(07-13-2018 08:47 PM)TU4ever Wrote:  Ah Rutgers don't you have a credit card bill to pay? How's your NCAA appearence record looking?

Yeah, thats the joke. Even us Rutgers fans still living off of Schiano glory think you are reaching a bit to far back.

Hmm, Rutgers fans? I've seen pics of your stadium and arena. I feel you're over exagerating.

Did Schiano pull the old credit card trick too? Get back to me when you have more than one year of success in . . . Well I guess any sport.

Does it feel bad knowing a small 3,000 undergrad private school has the sort of athletic history you dream of?

Hahaha yeah, we're dreaming of being Tulsa. Didn't Tulane get an invite to the AAC before you?

AAC fans always think they can talk smack to Rutgers. Sorry kids, we might get our butts kicked but it's to the big dogs of the college sports world. I'll think of you when Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State, Wisconsin...etc etc etc come to Piscataway.

Im sorry but I don't get the credit card joke. Is it because we spent a bunch of money and have a bunch of debt? Well thats called investment which paid off with a B1G invite and in a few years when we get a full share we can easily pay that off. Why do you think Maryland left the ACC? That sweet sweet money! We can spend it because we make it.

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Oh I see what you mean, the two kids who got kicked off the team. Seriously though, glass houses and all. This is disgusting.

https://www.fox23.com/news/child-abuse-m.../659128886

https://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/t...a354a.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc.../21856911/

Bwahaha you mad? This isn't even trying.

Hmmm, students do bad things.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2017/12/vi...inter.html

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/23/us/tyler-...index.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index...urder.html

http://newjersey.news12.com/story/381471...der-charge

https://247sports.com/Bolt/Rutgers-footb...-114956336

https://thetab.com/us/rutgers/2018/01/15...2017-13385

http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/cri...t-stranger

Or

University does bad things


https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/...ife/crime/ Finally in the top 25 for something, out of nearly 3,000 schools you have the 24th least safe campus. Oops


https://patch.com/new-jersey/newbrunswic...port-finds 8th?!?!


https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports...783746002/

https://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2...ty_me.html

https://www.nj.com/rutgersfootball/index..._rice.html

https://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ssf/2...t_con.html

http://newbrunswicktoday.com/article/new...treetfight


Rutgers is the kid who gets a million dollars from his dad and tells everyone he got rich.

Out of all the flavors in the world and you chose salty? Pretty sure we invested in ourselves. They weren't calling UConn or Temple, they called us.

Whats it say that Tulane got a full invite before you? You should be happy we left, that opened up a spot for you, could have been left behind in CUSA like Rice.