Best of luck ...


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Pitino’s hookers should file a class action lawsuit.

In future years, the cliche "That's like the pot calling the kettle black" will be replaced by "That's like Rick Pitino calling the NCAA morally bankrupt."

Luke and the players made a strong case. This will be interesting.

Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

With Papa John's racism the cherry on top...

(07-11-2018 04:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

With Papa John's racism the cherry on top...

And let's not even mention the fact that the university itself is falling apart.

The board is suing its former President.

The governor dismissed its entire board two years ago, and lawsuits went back and forth for over who actually controlled the school.

The school nearly lost its accreditation in December 2017.

No wonder nearly its entire interim leadership team left for other universities.

I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

Why bother having the NCAA at all. They are basically paid by the schools to do their job, not a conflict of interest in my book.

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

So just for example, if you were playing poker with someone for pretty big stakes and they beat you, then you found out the next day that they had cheated, if the tournament organizer contacted you about returning your money you lost, you would say thanks but no thanks and be OK with the cheater keeping the money because, well, you can't pretend his win didn't happen, right?

Personally, I think "vacating" titles is a great idea. It takes back the "ill-gotten gains", it hits the program where it really hurts, its legacy. Those who say "vacating is silly, means nothing, taking away scholarships is much tougher punishment" are wrong. The whole reason you pass out scholarships is in hope of winning. That's what vacating directly hits.

E.g., UofL took pride in having 3 national titles. Now it's back to 2. That hurts, and that's why the players are suing - because it hurts.

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

Actually, it would not be hard for a small number of players of a basketball team to not know. MLB banned all the players involved in the Blacksox scandal. They eve banned players who never took part, but they did not blew the whistle on those players betting. In this case, looking the other way on the hos should get you punished. Life is not fair. Those players suing should have blown the whistle on their teammates and coaches.

(07-11-2018 06:22 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

Actually, it would not be hard for a small number of players of a basketball team to not know. MLB banned all the players involved in the Blacksox scandal. They eve banned players who never took part, but they did not blew the whistle on those players betting. In this case, looking the other way on the hos should get you punished. Life is not fair. Those players suing should have blown the whistle on their teammates and coaches.

If I was a player on a championship team that loses its title because of cheating, and I had nothing to do with it - didn't cheat and didn't know about the cheating - I would be pissed off at my teammates and/or coaches that cheated, not the organization that caught and punished the team for cheating- that's their job.

The rules seem pretty clear - if you use an ineligible player, you forfeit the game. If that game is a championship, you forfeit the championship.

Unless the plaintiffs can show that the NCAA named them specifically, I don't think this case has any merit.

(07-11-2018 05:36 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

With Papa John's racism the cherry on top...

And let's not even mention the fact that the university itself is falling apart.

The board is suing its former President.

The governor dismissed its entire board two years ago, and lawsuits went back and forth for over who actually controlled the school.

The school nearly lost its accreditation in December 2017.

No wonder nearly its entire interim leadership team left for other universities.

You get your info from TMZ right?

(07-11-2018 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

So just for example, if you were playing poker with someone for pretty big stakes and they beat you, then you found out the next day that they had cheated, if the tournament organizer contacted you about returning your money you lost, you would say thanks but no thanks and be OK with the cheater keeping the money because, well, you can't pretend his win didn't happen, right?

Personally, I think "vacating" titles is a great idea. It takes back the "ill-gotten gains", it hits the program where it really hurts, its legacy. Those who say "vacating is silly, means nothing, taking away scholarships is much tougher punishment" are wrong. The whole reason you pass out scholarships is in hope of winning. That's what vacating directly hits.

E.g., UofL took pride in having 3 national titles. Now it's back to 2. That hurts, and that's why the players are suing - because it hurts.

Bingo!

(07-11-2018 07:31 PM)rednblackattack Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:36 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:46 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 04:29 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  Between Rick Pitino, Tom Jurich, the University of Louisville, Adidas and, now, these former players, how many lawsuits are currently ongoing that relates to UL Men's Basketball?

With Papa John's racism the cherry on top...

And let's not even mention the fact that the university itself is falling apart.

The board is suing its former President.

The governor dismissed its entire board two years ago, and lawsuits went back and forth for over who actually controlled the school.

The school nearly lost its accreditation in December 2017.

No wonder nearly its entire interim leadership team left for other universities.

You get your info from TMZ right?

TMZ has a pretty good accuracy rate.

I'm fine with vacating titles as long as they go back and vacate every title won with some kind of cheating. If they did, we'd see a ton of titles and Final Fours vacated.

The worst thing Louisville did was they handed everything over to the NCAA. They did their work for them. Should have followed the UNC model

I say don't vacate. Just type CHEATER in all caps before the school name in the record book.

Seriously though I hope these guys aren't actually paying their attorney. The success rate for similar litigation is abysmal.

(07-11-2018 06:16 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(07-11-2018 05:52 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  I hope this moves NCAA policy some. I despise vacating wins/titles/etc. I am not against punishing, but I hate it when they pretend events did not happen. If a team won, even with cheaters, it still won. Punish the school, maybe significantly, but do not mess with the historical stats.

Note: If they force a school to take down a banner, I won't complain. Don't have them publish incorrect win/title numbers though. Just a pet peeve of mine and had been one for a long time.

So just for example, if you were playing poker with someone for pretty big stakes and they beat you, then you found out the next day that they had cheated, if the tournament organizer contacted you about returning your money you lost, you would say thanks but no thanks and be OK with the cheater keeping the money because, well, you can't pretend his win didn't happen, right?

Personally, I think "vacating" titles is a great idea. It takes back the "ill-gotten gains", it hits the program where it really hurts, its legacy. Those who say "vacating is silly, means nothing, taking away scholarships is much tougher punishment" are wrong. The whole reason you pass out scholarships is in hope of winning. That's what vacating directly hits.

E.g., UofL took pride in having 3 national titles. Now it's back to 2. That hurts, and that's why the players are suing - because it hurts.

Silly me, I thought getting a scholarship was to get a degree without having to spend money on classes...