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RE: P5 realignment to end all realignment
(07-14-2018 01:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  While there will always be opponents to any realignment scenario, this one doesn't take too much compromise to "git 'er done".

From your perspective there is no compromise, because you are a fan of an ACC team and you, naturally, have the ACC adding Notre Dame and adding no G5 schools.

I think the Big 12 response to your idea would be, "Hey, how about the Big 12 adds Notre Dame while the ACC adds Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, and Houston. The ACC would be just fine with that, right?" 07-coffee3
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(07-15-2018 01:08 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's OK dude...everyone sees you are butthurt that someone dared correct you.

I know, right? Here’s all the posts:
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(07-14-2018 08:40 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote:  AAC:

East- James Madison, ODU, Richmond, Charolette, App State

West- Tulsa, UTSA, North Texas, Rice, Texas State

South- Tulane, USM, UAB, FIU, FAU

North- Marshall, WKU, Middle Tenn, Missouri St, Chattanooga

MWC:

East- Air Force, Wyoming, Utah State, Weber St, Colorado St

West- San Diego St, Fresno, San Jose, Cal Poly, San Diego

South- New Mexico, New Mexico St, UTEP, Northern Arizona, Nevada

North- Idaho, Eastern Washington, Montana, Portland, Montana St

CUSA:

East- Wofford, William & Mary, Liberty, Coastal Carolina, Eastern Kentucky

West- Troy, So. Alabama, Jacksonville St, Louisiana Monroe, Louisiana Lafayette

South- Georgia St, Georgia Southern, Citadel, Western Carolina, Charleston Southern

North- Arkansas State, Central Arkansas, La Tech, Sam Houston, Stephen F Austin

MAC:

East- Buffalo, UMass, Delaware, New Hampshire, Maine

West- South Dakota State, North Dakota State, Northern Iowa, N. Illinois, Ball State

South- Youngstown, Kent, Miami, Ohio, Akron

North- CMU, WMU, EMU, Toledo, Bowling Green

I see the G5 alignments have a type of theme to it but in reality none of those plans would get votes.

Take the MAC for example. NIU and Ball St would never agree to be cast in with the Dakota schools. Same with Buffalo getting killed on travel or YSU being admitted to the MAC.

All of it is non-starter.
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The B1G starts to expand down to Florida and the SEC counter-expands to keep the B1G out of SEC territory.



B1G
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East
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Duke
Maryland
Penn State
Rutgers
Virginia Tech

Central
-----
Indiana
Michigan
Michigan State
Notre Dame
Ohio State

North
-----
Illinois
Minnesota
Northwestern
Purdue
Wisconsin

South
-----
Iowa
Kansas
Nebraska
Oklahoma
Texas



SEC
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South
-----
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Miami

East
-----
Clemson
North Carolina
South Carolina
Tennessee
Virginia

Central
-----
Alabama
Auburn
Mississippi
Mississippi State
Vanderbilt

West
------
Arkansas
Kentucky
LSU
Missouri
Texas A&M



ACC
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East
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Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Temple
West Virginia

South
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Central Florida
Cinncinati
Louisville
Memphis
North Carolina State
Wake Forest



Big 12
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West
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Boise State
BYU
Colorado State
Iowa State
San Diego State
UNLV

East
-----
Baylor
Houston
Kansas State
Oklahoma State
TCU
Texas Tech


Pac 12 - Same.
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(07-15-2018 01:53 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 01:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  While there will always be opponents to any realignment scenario, this one doesn't take too much compromise to "git 'er done".

From your perspective there is no compromise, because you are a fan of an ACC team and you, naturally, have the ACC adding Notre Dame and adding no G5 schools.

I think the Big 12 response to your idea would be, "Hey, how about the Big 12 adds Notre Dame while the ACC adds Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, and Houston. The ACC would be just fine with that, right?" 07-coffee3

Actually, Wedge, I'm not a fan of any ACC team (or a team from any other conference for that matter). I had three main goals here: create a structure that brings the top G5 programs into the P5, preserve the Big 12 as a power conference, and maintain all traditional rivalries within the P5.

I wanted to do that within the existing constraints. One of those is that Notre Dame is contractually obligated to join the ACC if they join any conference. To take away the special status they now receive from the CFP, I structured this so that no independent would be eligible to play for a national championship.

In my view, the Big 12's only alternative to adding the best teams from the AAC would be to dissolve as their best teams get poached by the other power conferences. In that case, the PAC would have two choices: stay right where they are, or take the Big 12's leftovers after the B1G, SEC and ACC are done feeding on the choice parts. And since the only place to put the top G5 teams in the west into a P5 is the PAC, that's where I slotted BYU, Boise and SDSU.

With the ACC at 15 teams (which they already are except in football), the only way I could see to keep the Big 12 in a 75 team P5 was to cap conference size at 15 for all.
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RE: P5 realignment to end all realignment
(07-15-2018 07:57 AM)ken d Wrote:  
(07-15-2018 01:53 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 01:28 PM)ken d Wrote:  While there will always be opponents to any realignment scenario, this one doesn't take too much compromise to "git 'er done".

From your perspective there is no compromise, because you are a fan of an ACC team and you, naturally, have the ACC adding Notre Dame and adding no G5 schools.

I think the Big 12 response to your idea would be, "Hey, how about the Big 12 adds Notre Dame while the ACC adds Temple, Cincinnati, UCF, USF, Memphis, and Houston. The ACC would be just fine with that, right?" 07-coffee3

Actually, Wedge, I'm not a fan of any ACC team (or a team from any other conference for that matter). I had three main goals here: create a structure that brings the top G5 programs into the P5, preserve the Big 12 as a power conference, and maintain all traditional rivalries within the P5.

The problem is some of the G5 teams you've picked have low ceilings.

East Carolina is a big dud that can't attract the players.

Temple was accepted back into the Big East because of their basketball as a low hanging fruit after the value (UCF, SMU, Houston, Memphis) was already taken. A high level G5 conference like the AAC is the perfect fit for them.

If the PAC moved to the ACC/B12 model of considering metro schools Boise State and UNLV could get a look but they would be hard pressed to add SDSU as a 5th California school.

I've said before the ACC should double down in Florida with UCF and USF to create what the B12 has in Texas with 4 Texas schools. That would allow the ACC a shot at convincing more Florida talent to stay home instead of heading off to Alabama or LSU. I don't see UCF/USF as effective in the B12 so far away from the core geographic schools.
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(07-14-2018 01:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  I’d like to see division-less P7/P75 realignment to end all realignment - based on history, geography and a cap of 12 teams.

Playoff of 7 conference champions + highest ranked non-P7 champ. CCG’s only reserved for 12 team leagues, or 3-way tie in 8-10 team leagues not broken by H2H.

Mandated OOC games to protect historic/in-state/border rivalries or should-be rivalries. Protected in-conference games for 12 team leagues.

ACC - 12 teams, 9 games
Maryland
Virginia
Virginia Tech
East Carolina
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Duke
Wake Forest
Clemson
South Carolina
Central Florida
South Florida

BIG EAST - 10 teams, 9 games
Boston College
Connecticut
Syracuse
Rutgers
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
Cincinnati
Louisville
Vanderbilt
Memphis

BIG EIGHT - 8 teams, 7 games
Colorado
Nebraska
Iowa State
Missouri
Kansas
Kansas State
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State

BIG TEN - 12 teams, 9 games
Penn State
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan State
Purdue
Notre Dame
Northwestern
Indiana
Illinois
Iowa
Minnesota
Wisconsin

PAC 12 - 12 teams, 9 games
Washington
Washington State
Oregon
Oregon State
Stanford
California
Southern California
UCLA
Arizona
Arizona State
Utah
Brigham Young

SEC - 12 teams, 9 games
Miami
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
Auburn
Alabama
Ole Miss
Mississippi State
Louisiana State
Tennessee
Kentucky

SWC - 9 teams, 8 games
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech
Texas Christian
Southern Methodist
Baylor
Houston
Rice

Personally, I would have liked nothing better than to have a cap on conference membership at 12 teams. But that ship has already sailed, and three of the P5 conferences are already past that number. Since they are never going to expel members to get down to an arbitrary lower number, there's not much point in rearranging the teams.

The plan in the OP recognized that one conference was already at 15, and that became the de facto ceiling. That leaves the power conferences to max out at 60 members (leaving five current schools out of the new P4) or at 75 (letting all the P5's to grow to this larger number). IMO, there are more than 60 schools who belong in the highest echelon, so I went with the latter (75).
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PODS! PODS! PODS!

No not the 90's trend, but a reorganization structure.

Say no to the 16, 20, 24 team mega conferences! All the conferences should dissolve into 6-8 team pods based on similarity and then geograhpy

All teams will play their out of conference games first, then their pod games

There are 130, so if they organize into 8-team pods, there will be 16 pods

The winner of each pod will advance to a 16-team playoff

The non-winners will advance to various bowl games or invitationals depending on their record

P5 pod example: UGA, GT, Auburn, Tennessee, Clemson, S Carolina, UF, FSU

G5 pod example: ULL, La Tech, Ark State, Southern Miss, Memphis, Tulane, North Texas,

P5 pod example: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, Oklahoma, Ok State, Houston
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This would work if NCAA football had a strong commissioner that could force realignment moves, but the reality is certain conferences aren't going to expand by adding G5 teams unless they are exceptional fits across the board and most of those are not.
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(07-14-2018 11:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  What history or even shared interest does Clemson have with ECU, UCF, or USF?

We might have played the ACC schools a bunch but we aren't rivals. The only original ACC school a rival tag might apply would be Maryland. The rest are our *****. You are confusing a bunch of games scheduled for convenience with a rivalry. Look at the records.

If all we cared about was winning the conference we'd jump on your alignment with both feet. We don't. Your alignment sucks. We don't see UNC, NC State, & UVA as peers. We see Auburn, UGA, and Florida as peers.

These sorts of threads inevitably tend to lump Clemson and SC into a SC/NC/VA/MD sort of hybrid conference when the reality is the SC schools are much closer aligned with the GA/FL/AL schools. I guess it's the old ACC ties and lack of knowledge of the fanbases, but neither university would ever go for it.
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(07-14-2018 11:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 10:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 07:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 06:49 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 05:58 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  Apparently in this universe TV money not a thing and bus and railroad is the only economical means of transportation. Guess it's still 1940 in this universe.

Honestly, this would be amazing. College FB & BB are best when there’s the perfect mix of historical rivalries, geographic rivalries, and games all over the schedule that fans can caravan to. Roadtripping provides memories that last forever, tv money just provides greenbacks that line the pockets of ******** in suits.

So why did you put Clemson in a conference with only one rival?

I love how a fanfic has you so up in arms that you keep replying, but here goes...

It’s sensible to put the MD/VA/NC/SC schools together. They traditionally were together and that’s a recognized cohesive region. It already accounts for Clemson’s top 3, 6 of top 8, 8 of top 11 most frequent opponents. I also mentioned OOC rivalries would be mandated, so throw in Georgia, Auburn, & GT/FSU and there’s Clemson’s top 11 or 11/12 most frequent opponents.

What history or even shared interest does Clemson have with ECU, UCF, or USF?

We might have played the ACC schools a bunch but we aren't rivals. The only original ACC school a rival tag might apply would be Maryland. The rest are our *****. You are confusing a bunch of games scheduled for convenience with a rivalry. Look at the records.

If all we cared about was winning the conference we'd jump on your alignment with both feet. We don't. Your alignment sucks. We don't see UNC, NC State, & UVA as peers. We see Auburn, UGA, and Florida as peers.

USF smacked that Clemson arse the last bowl game we played 04-cheers
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(07-18-2018 05:17 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 11:59 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 10:02 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 07:55 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(07-14-2018 06:49 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Honestly, this would be amazing. College FB & BB are best when there’s the perfect mix of historical rivalries, geographic rivalries, and games all over the schedule that fans can caravan to. Roadtripping provides memories that last forever, tv money just provides greenbacks that line the pockets of ******** in suits.

So why did you put Clemson in a conference with only one rival?

I love how a fanfic has you so up in arms that you keep replying, but here goes...

It’s sensible to put the MD/VA/NC/SC schools together. They traditionally were together and that’s a recognized cohesive region. It already accounts for Clemson’s top 3, 6 of top 8, 8 of top 11 most frequent opponents. I also mentioned OOC rivalries would be mandated, so throw in Georgia, Auburn, & GT/FSU and there’s Clemson’s top 11 or 11/12 most frequent opponents.

What history or even shared interest does Clemson have with ECU, UCF, or USF?

We might have played the ACC schools a bunch but we aren't rivals. The only original ACC school a rival tag might apply would be Maryland. The rest are our *****. You are confusing a bunch of games scheduled for convenience with a rivalry. Look at the records.

If all we cared about was winning the conference we'd jump on your alignment with both feet. We don't. Your alignment sucks. We don't see UNC, NC State, & UVA as peers. We see Auburn, UGA, and Florida as peers.

USF smacked that Clemson arse the last bowl game we played 04-cheers

South Carolina too 03-weeping
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I like the OP's alignment. It includes most teams that can deliver solid home-game attendance and support and attract TV viewership.

However, I don't like the post-season setup with five power conferences. Each conference still has to stage its own conference championship - then we're left with an uneven number of conference champions...and often elite teams that have a legitimate CFP-inclusion argument who don't even qualify for the conference championship game simply because they are the divisional runner-up to one of the best teams in the nation.

What I prefer is a similar alignment to the OP, but done in a massive conference consolidation such that we are left with a P2. This sets up a structure similar to the AFC/NFC and AL/NL in professional football and baseball.

So, two conferences, each with several 6-7 team divisions. 72-80 teams total.

Each conference has a playoff involving the division winners and wild cards. It doesn't require conference championship games in early December in each region of the country. Instead, home-hosted conference playoff games that lead to the Rose Bowl (National) and Sugar or Orange Bowls (American) which become the conference championship/semifinal games.

The two conference champions (semifinal bowl winners) play each other for the national championship.

Still have the other exhibition bowl games as per the status quo.

To get there, the B1G/National and SEC/American divide up the PAC, B12, and ACC. My guess is that the B1G/National would get mostly AAU schools from the PAC and B12 and most of the ACC Coastal schools and Notre Dame.
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(07-19-2018 11:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  I like the OP's alignment. It includes most teams that can deliver solid home-game attendance and support and attract TV viewership.

However, I don't like the post-season setup with five power conferences. Each conference still has to stage its own conference championship - then we're left with an uneven number of conference champions...and often elite teams that have a legitimate CFP-inclusion argument who don't even qualify for the conference championship game simply because they are the divisional runner-up to one of the best teams in the nation.

What I prefer is a similar alignment to the OP, but done in a massive conference consolidation such that we are left with a P2. This sets up a structure similar to the AFC/NFC and AL/NL in professional football and baseball.

So, two conferences, each with several 6-7 team divisions. 72-80 teams total.

Each conference has a playoff involving the division winners and wild cards. It doesn't require conference championship games in early December in each region of the country. Instead, home-hosted conference playoff games that lead to the Rose Bowl (National) and Sugar or Orange Bowls (American) which become the conference championship/semifinal games.

The two conference champions (semifinal bowl winners) play each other for the national championship.

Still have the other exhibition bowl games as per the status quo.

To get there, the B1G/National and SEC/American divide up the PAC, B12, and ACC. My guess is that the B1G/National would get mostly AAU schools from the PAC and B12 and most of the ACC Coastal schools and Notre Dame.

Here's what it could look like:

B1G/NATIONAL
NORTH: Penn St., Ohio St., Michigan, Michigan St., Rutgers, Indiana
CENTRAL: Wisconsin, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota
EAST: Notre Dame, Pitt, Miami, Syracuse, Boston College, UConn
ATLANTIC: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt
SOUTH: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa St., Missouri
PACIFIC: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona

The B1G steals Vanderbilt and Missouri from the SEC because of AAU status and the attractive divisions. Legacy Big Ten and ACC divisions remain in tact. Also, historic Big 12, PAC 10, and Big East associations within the divisions. UConn gets a golden ticket. The B1G/National has a stronger presence in the Midwest and Northeast, but also boasts teams nationwide from California to Texas to Florida.

SEC/AMERICAN
EAST: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Kentucky
CENTRAL: Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi St., Ole Miss, Arkansas
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
SOUTH: West Virginia, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF
WEST: Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., BYU
PACIFIC: UCLA, Cal, Arizona St., Utah, Oregon St., Washington St.

The SEC/American boasts historic SEC divisions and ACC, Big 12, and PAC matchups. The conference also adds the best of the rest, all in solid college football markets. Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, and BYU get the golden tickets. The SEC/American dominates the Southeast, but still has a strong presence in the West Coast and Texas.
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(07-19-2018 11:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  I like the OP's alignment. It includes most teams that can deliver solid home-game attendance and support and attract TV viewership.

However, I don't like the post-season setup with five power conferences. Each conference still has to stage its own conference championship - then we're left with an uneven number of conference champions...and often elite teams that have a legitimate CFP-inclusion argument who don't even qualify for the conference championship game simply because they are the divisional runner-up to one of the best teams in the nation.

What I prefer is a similar alignment to the OP, but done in a massive conference consolidation such that we are left with a P2. This sets up a structure similar to the AFC/NFC and AL/NL in professional football and baseball.

So, two conferences, each with several 6-7 team divisions. 72-80 teams total.

Each conference has a playoff involving the division winners and wild cards. It doesn't require conference championship games in early December in each region of the country. Instead, home-hosted conference playoff games that lead to the Rose Bowl (National) and Sugar or Orange Bowls (American) which become the conference championship/semifinal games.

The two conference champions (semifinal bowl winners) play each other for the national championship.

Still have the other exhibition bowl games as per the status quo.

To get there, the B1G/National and SEC/American divide up the PAC, B12, and ACC. My guess is that the B1G/National would get mostly AAU schools from the PAC and B12 and most of the ACC Coastal schools and Notre Dame.

I like the 2 conf X 6 div X 6 teams setup. Play 5 divisional games, 5 intra-conference games, and 2 cross-conference games. This allows room for cross-division and cross-conference rivalry games and completely fills out the schedules with quality opponents.

Allow 1 exhibition game against a G5 opponent.

The playoff could include 6 division winners in each conference plus 2-4 wild card teams (I love the idea for a wild card play-in game).

Play-in Round the first weekend in December. Round 1 (conference quarterfinals) the second weekend in December. Round 2 (conference semifinals) right before Christmas. All rounds played at home stadiums of the higher seed - although, a Wild Card double-header at a neutral site could be fun.

The Conference Championship games (national semi-finals) are played at NY6 bowls - probably the Rose Bowl for the B1G/National and the Sugar or Orange Bowl for the SEC/American.

There would be a paradigm shift from nice and shiny win-loss records (padded by lesser quality opponents at home) to tough divisional matchups and more difficult conference games. But, it provides access for every team in the new system.
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(07-19-2018 11:59 AM)YNot Wrote:  
(07-19-2018 11:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  I like the OP's alignment. It includes most teams that can deliver solid home-game attendance and support and attract TV viewership.

However, I don't like the post-season setup with five power conferences. Each conference still has to stage its own conference championship - then we're left with an uneven number of conference champions...and often elite teams that have a legitimate CFP-inclusion argument who don't even qualify for the conference championship game simply because they are the divisional runner-up to one of the best teams in the nation.

What I prefer is a similar alignment to the OP, but done in a massive conference consolidation such that we are left with a P2. This sets up a structure similar to the AFC/NFC and AL/NL in professional football and baseball.

So, two conferences, each with several 6-7 team divisions. 72-80 teams total.

Each conference has a playoff involving the division winners and wild cards. It doesn't require conference championship games in early December in each region of the country. Instead, home-hosted conference playoff games that lead to the Rose Bowl (National) and Sugar or Orange Bowls (American) which become the conference championship/semifinal games.

The two conference champions (semifinal bowl winners) play each other for the national championship.

Still have the other exhibition bowl games as per the status quo.

To get there, the B1G/National and SEC/American divide up the PAC, B12, and ACC. My guess is that the B1G/National would get mostly AAU schools from the PAC and B12 and most of the ACC Coastal schools and Notre Dame.

I like the 2 conf X 6 div X 6 teams setup. Play 5 divisional games, 5 intra-conference games, and 2 cross-conference games. This allows room for cross-division and cross-conference rivalry games and completely fills out the schedules with quality opponents.

Allow 1 exhibition game against a G5 opponent.

The playoff could include 6 division winners in each conference plus 2-4 wild card teams (I love the idea for a wild card play-in game).

Play-in Round the first weekend in December. Round 1 (conference quarterfinals) the second weekend in December. Round 2 (conference semifinals) right before Christmas. All rounds played at home stadiums of the higher seed - although, a Wild Card double-header at a neutral site could be fun.

The Conference Championship games (national semi-finals) are played at NY6 bowls - probably the Rose Bowl for the B1G/National and the Sugar or Orange Bowl for the SEC/American.

There would be a paradigm shift from nice and shiny win-loss records (padded by lesser quality opponents at home) to tough divisional matchups and more difficult conference games. But, it provides access for every team in the new system.

Here's what the 2017 system could have looked like:

December 2, 2017 - WILD CARD PLAY-IN ROUND

5-seed game: #9 Penn St. v. #14 Notre Dame
7-seed game: #11 Washington v. #13 Stanford

5-seed game: #4 Alabama v. #20 Memphis
7-seed game: #17 LSU v. #19 Oklahoma St.

December 8-9, 2017 - ROUND 1 (Conference Quarterfinals)

B1G/NATIONAL
(8)Georgia Tech(ATLANTIC) at (1)Oklahoma(SOUTH)
Washington/Stanford winner at (2)Ohio St.(NORTH)
(6)Miami(EAST) at (3)Wisconsin(CENTRAL)
Penn St./Notre Dame winner at (4)USC(PACIFIC)

SEC/AMERICAN
(8)Washington St.(PACIFIC) at (1)Clemson(ATLANTIC)
LSU/Oklahoma St. winner at (2)Georgia(EAST)
(6)TCU(WEST) at (3)Auburn(CENTRAL)
Alabama/Memphis winner at (4)UCF(SOUTH)

December 22-23, 2017 - ROUND 2 (Conference Semifinals)

B1G/NATIONAL
(4)USC at (1)Oklahoma
(3)Wisconsin at (2)Ohio St.

SEC/AMERICAN
(4)UCF at (1)Clemson
(3)Auburn at (2)Georgia

January 1, 2018 - CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS

ROSE BOWL: (1)Oklahoma v. (2)Ohio St.

SUGAR BOWL:(1)Clemson v. (2)Georgia
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(07-19-2018 11:54 AM)YNot Wrote:  I like the OP's alignment. It includes most teams that can deliver solid home-game attendance and support and attract TV viewership.

However, I don't like the post-season setup with five power conferences. Each conference still has to stage its own conference championship - then we're left with an uneven number of conference champions...and often elite teams that have a legitimate CFP-inclusion argument who don't even qualify for the conference championship game simply because they are the divisional runner-up to one of the best teams in the nation.

What I prefer is a similar alignment to the OP, but done in a massive conference consolidation such that we are left with a P2. This sets up a structure similar to the AFC/NFC and AL/NL in professional football and baseball.

So, two conferences, each with several 6-7 team divisions. 72-80 teams total.

Each conference has a playoff involving the division winners and wild cards. It doesn't require conference championship games in early December in each region of the country. Instead, home-hosted conference playoff games that lead to the Rose Bowl (National) and Sugar or Orange Bowls (American) which become the conference championship/semifinal games.

The two conference champions (semifinal bowl winners) play each other for the national championship.

Still have the other exhibition bowl games as per the status quo.

To get there, the B1G/National and SEC/American divide up the PAC, B12, and ACC. My guess is that the B1G/National would get mostly AAU schools from the PAC and B12 and most of the ACC Coastal schools and Notre Dame.

Here's what it could look like:

B1G/NATIONAL
NORTH: Penn St., Ohio St., Michigan, Michigan St., Rutgers, Indiana
CENTRAL: Wisconsin, Iowa, Northwestern, Illinois, Purdue, Minnesota
EAST: Notre Dame, Pitt, Miami, Syracuse, Boston College, UConn
ATLANTIC: North Carolina, Duke, Virginia, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt
SOUTH: Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Kansas, Iowa St., Missouri
PACIFIC: USC, Stanford, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Arizona

The B1G steals Vanderbilt and Missouri from the SEC because of AAU status and the attractive divisions. Legacy Big Ten and ACC divisions remain in tact. Also, historic Big 12, PAC 10, and Big East associations within the divisions. UConn gets a golden ticket. The B1G/National has a stronger presence in the Midwest and Northeast, but also boasts teams nationwide from California to Texas to Florida.

SEC/AMERICAN
EAST: Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, South Carolina, Kentucky
CENTRAL: Alabama, LSU, Texas A&M, Mississippi St., Ole Miss, Arkansas
ATLANTIC: Florida St., Clemson, Louisville, NC State, Wake Forest, Virginia Tech
SOUTH: West Virginia, Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, USF
WEST: Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma St., Kansas St., BYU
PACIFIC: UCLA, Cal, Arizona St., Utah, Oregon St., Washington St.

The SEC/American boasts historic SEC divisions and ACC, Big 12, and PAC matchups. The conference also adds the best of the rest, all in solid college football markets. Houston, Memphis, Cincinnati, USF, UCF, and BYU get the golden tickets. The SEC/American dominates the Southeast, but still has a strong presence in the West Coast and Texas.

California four schools will always want to be together and they have the strongest political power in USA to do so. And it is not the only obstacle to your proposal because all other eight PAC12 schools want to be with the four.
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