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(07-17-2018 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2018 09:14 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Honestly we're talking about what $10,000,000 on a 2.3 billion dollar budget? I bet UConn wastes way more money on random things. Cost overruns on the new dorms or something like that.

I've never understood this notion of looking at athletic costs as a % of overall school budget. The two have nothing to do with each other. Just because you have and spend $1B or $3B on other things doesn't mean you have $30m to spend on something else, or that it's a good idea to do so.

Plus, the UConn Senate Budget Committee report I posted stated that:

"The research was motivated by broad based concern from the University community about the apparent growth of the subsidy to the AD at the same time that academic programs were being cut and the state as a whole was experiencing severe budget constraints [1]".

Cincinnati's faculty used to think like that. In response, the university forced the athletic department to self-fund its loans for massive facility improvements from the early 00s, which forced some major cutbacks in the athletic department around the time we got into the Big East and delayed new capital projects (such as a football practice field).

The result: Louisville got in the ACC ahead of us. Louisville, the academic lightweight from our little brother city. That changed a lot of faculty's minds about athletic spending.
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RE: Inside UConn's 83 million dollar budget
(07-17-2018 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2018 09:14 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Honestly we're talking about what $10,000,000 on a 2.3 billion dollar budget? I bet UConn wastes way more money on random things. Cost overruns on the new dorms or something like that.

I've never understood this notion of looking at athletic costs as a % of overall school budget. The two have nothing to do with each other. Just because you have and spend $1B or $3B on other things doesn't mean you have $30m to spend on something else, or that it's a good idea to do so.

Plus, the UConn Senate Budget Committee report I posted stated that:

"The research was motivated by broad based concern from the University community about the apparent growth of the subsidy to the AD at the same time that academic programs were being cut and the state as a whole was experiencing severe budget constraints [1]".

You'd think that the Senate University Budget Committee would be given access to the NCAA submitted financial statements and not have to rely on USA Today reporting. It could well be that a lot of the supposed growth on both their overall budget and the subsidy is due to changes in reporting requirements that took effect around 2015 I think, which corresponds with some of the highest jumps in those categories looking at some of the graphs.
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RE: Inside UConn's 83 million dollar budget
(07-17-2018 09:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2018 09:14 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Honestly we're talking about what $10,000,000 on a 2.3 billion dollar budget? I bet UConn wastes way more money on random things. Cost overruns on the new dorms or something like that.

I've never understood this notion of looking at athletic costs as a % of overall school budget. The two have nothing to do with each other. Just because you have and spend $1B or $3B on other things doesn't mean you have $30m to spend on something else, or that it's a good idea to do so.

Plus, the UConn Senate Budget Committee report I posted stated that:

"The research was motivated by broad based concern from the University community about the apparent growth of the subsidy to the AD at the same time that academic programs were being cut and the state as a whole was experiencing severe budget constraints [1]".

Cincinnati's faculty used to think like that. In response, the university forced the athletic department to self-fund its loans for massive facility improvements from the early 00s, which forced some major cutbacks in the athletic department around the time we got into the Big East and delayed new capital projects (such as a football practice field).

The result: Louisville got in the ACC ahead of us. Louisville, the academic lightweight from our little brother city. That changed a lot of faculty's minds about athletic spending.

Did it really? What I mean, is, if I'm the kind of faculty that wants the athletic department to self-fund its activities, I'm also likely the kind that could care less whether my school's teams play in the ACC, the AAC, or the SWAC for that matter, much less where any other university's teams are playing.

I'd also doubt whether the athletic department cutbacks directly resulted in something like that. I'd probably think many factors played in to it.

Anyway, this chart says that between 2005 and 2010, Cincy spending per athlete rose dramatically, from around $50,000 to $100,000 in the five years leading up to the dissolution of the Big East:

http://spendingdatabase.knightcommission...ion_data-1
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RE: Inside UConn's 83 million dollar budget
(07-17-2018 09:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2018 09:14 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Honestly we're talking about what $10,000,000 on a 2.3 billion dollar budget? I bet UConn wastes way more money on random things. Cost overruns on the new dorms or something like that.

I've never understood this notion of looking at athletic costs as a % of overall school budget. The two have nothing to do with each other. Just because you have and spend $1B or $3B on other things doesn't mean you have $30m to spend on something else, or that it's a good idea to do so.

Plus, the UConn Senate Budget Committee report I posted stated that:

"The research was motivated by broad based concern from the University community about the apparent growth of the subsidy to the AD at the same time that academic programs were being cut and the state as a whole was experiencing severe budget constraints [1]".

Cincinnati's faculty used to think like that. In response, the university forced the athletic department to self-fund its loans for massive facility improvements from the early 00s, which forced some major cutbacks in the athletic department around the time we got into the Big East and delayed new capital projects (such as a football practice field).

The result: Louisville got in the ACC ahead of us. Louisville, the academic lightweight from our little brother city. That changed a lot of faculty's minds about athletic spending.

You had already lost the battle to Louisville by then. If you go back in time and look at the schedules and the records, Louisville ups it's scheduling in 1980 from a MVC type schedule to something with 4-6 P-5 types. Cincy runs about 5 years behind Louisville in this regard. Louisville then wins big games against p-5 types on a quasi-regular basis by 1990. Cincy doesn't start having such wins until the mid 2000's. This issue about Cincy has come up before but Louisville started pursuing big time football 10-15 years before Cincinnati. Only ECU did more with regards to football, sooner, not to get a lift up. But when you think about it, the last three promotions up went to FSU, Utah, and Louisville. It took 30 years of effort for Louisville and some geographic luck.


I guess the real question is this - did Ohio State work to hold you back and you not know it, where the social problems in Cincy at the time an issue, or were you just comfortable in the 60's, 70's, and 80's? Because as you mentioned, your academic profile is both ACC'ish and AAU'ish as evidenced by your consideration for AAU in 2010 with NC State and GT.
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RE: Inside UConn's 83 million dollar budget
(07-17-2018 03:47 PM)Statefan Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 09:27 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  
(07-17-2018 07:46 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(07-16-2018 09:14 PM)Huskies12 Wrote:  Honestly we're talking about what $10,000,000 on a 2.3 billion dollar budget? I bet UConn wastes way more money on random things. Cost overruns on the new dorms or something like that.

I've never understood this notion of looking at athletic costs as a % of overall school budget. The two have nothing to do with each other. Just because you have and spend $1B or $3B on other things doesn't mean you have $30m to spend on something else, or that it's a good idea to do so.

Plus, the UConn Senate Budget Committee report I posted stated that:

"The research was motivated by broad based concern from the University community about the apparent growth of the subsidy to the AD at the same time that academic programs were being cut and the state as a whole was experiencing severe budget constraints [1]".

Cincinnati's faculty used to think like that. In response, the university forced the athletic department to self-fund its loans for massive facility improvements from the early 00s, which forced some major cutbacks in the athletic department around the time we got into the Big East and delayed new capital projects (such as a football practice field).

The result: Louisville got in the ACC ahead of us. Louisville, the academic lightweight from our little brother city. That changed a lot of faculty's minds about athletic spending.

You had already lost the battle to Louisville by then. If you go back in time and look at the schedules and the records, Louisville ups it's scheduling in 1980 from a MVC type schedule to something with 4-6 P-5 types. Cincy runs about 5 years behind Louisville in this regard. Louisville then wins big games against p-5 types on a quasi-regular basis by 1990. Cincy doesn't start having such wins until the mid 2000's. This issue about Cincy has come up before but Louisville started pursuing big time football 10-15 years before Cincinnati. Only ECU did more with regards to football, sooner, not to get a lift up. But when you think about it, the last three promotions up went to FSU, Utah, and Louisville. It took 30 years of effort for Louisville and some geographic luck.


I guess the real question is this - did Ohio State work to hold you back and you not know it, where the social problems in Cincy at the time an issue, or were you just comfortable in the 60's, 70's, and 80's? Because as you mentioned, your academic profile is both ACC'ish and AAU'ish as evidenced by your consideration for AAU in 2010 with NC State and GT.

Yes, I can say as totally neutral between them that Cincinnati was completely unknown to me until their 1992 Final 4 run. Being way too young, I'd never heard of their glory days with Oscar Robertson, that was Paleo history to me.

In contrast, because of Denny Crum, I've been aware of Louisville hoops my whole life. Louisville has just always had a higher athletic profile than Cincinnati over the past 40+ years.
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