No it wasn't. The south park creators grew up in Colorado and had been mocking Mormons for a long time before Romney ran for president. Not everything is a cynical left wing plot against republicans in the entertainment world.

(07-16-2018 09:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It definitely mocks some cultish elements of Mormonism. The back story behind JosephbSmith finding tablets of gold that “nobody else saw”. Them changing their beliefs about blacks in 1978.


I could see how it could make somebody who is a BIBLE BELIEVING CHRISTIAN a little uncomfortable.

FIFY

There are very specific reasons we believe and know the bible is the Word of God. No other religion on earth can remotely offer the evidence and proof of its divinity like the bible. ALL other religions are based on blind faith alone, with ZERO demonstrable evidence of its divinity.

The important thing to remember about all these DNA tests is that they tell you the DNA you have in common with people who live in certain regions TODAY. I have 2% DNA in common with South Asians (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) according to 23andMe and I am the whitest guy you will ever meet. That doesn't necessarily mean I have an ancestor that lived in India at some point, just that modern Indians tend to have that same string of DNA in high numbers.

Coincidentally I too am also 2% Ashkenazi Jew, which lets you know that the European Jewish community was pretty well integrated on the continent centuries ago.

I think the bigger question is who doesn't have the X% Ashkenazi Jew equation in their 23 and Me results.

(07-16-2018 02:15 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The important thing to remember about all these DNA tests is that they tell you the DNA you have in common with people who live in certain regions TODAY. I have 2% DNA in common with South Asians (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) according to 23andMe and I am the whitest guy you will ever meet. That doesn't necessarily mean I have an ancestor that lived in India at some point, just that modern Indians tend to have that same string of DNA in high numbers.

Coincidentally I too am also 2% Ashkenazi Jew, which lets you know that the European Jewish community was pretty well integrated on the continent centuries ago.

Or maybe the people with that marker aren't all Ashkenazi jews.

(07-16-2018 02:15 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  The important thing to remember about all these DNA tests is that they tell you the DNA you have in common with people who live in certain regions TODAY. I have 2% DNA in common with South Asians (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan) according to 23andMe and I am the whitest guy you will ever meet. That doesn't necessarily mean I have an ancestor that lived in India at some point, just that modern Indians tend to have that same string of DNA in high numbers.

Coincidentally I too am also 2% Ashkenazi Jew, which lets you know that the European Jewish community was pretty well integrated on the continent centuries ago.

The National Genographic does it by region. Supporting what you say, their typical German is 46% Northern European, 36% Mediterranean and 17% Southwest Asian. People have migrated and mixed quite a bit over the last 5,000-10,000 years.

(07-15-2018 10:05 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 08:31 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  OK....


I’ve been wanting to talk about this for awhile. For Father’s Day my daughter got me a 23 and me DNA kit. The biggest one the whole 9 yards. I got the results back last Saturday. I always thought my grandma was American Indian. My Mom told me she was part of the Crow tribe. When I was in school I even did a school project on the Crow Nation and their roots in Ohio. I’m 100% European and mostly French German and 20% Irish. I’m even 2% Ashenkazi Jew.

My Dad died at the ripe old age of 52. I’ve always had this number in the back of my head. Well it turns out my DNA is incredibly healthy. I even have a GG variant in muscle composition that every Olympic athlete ever tested has. Im also,supposed to be 3% skinner than the average American. For my height my DNA says I should weigh about 178. I weigh 240 currently. I always thought I was predisposed to being stocky. Here all along I’m supposed to be an Olympic athlete ripped at about 178. This plays mind games with you. When wife read the results she looked at me and says. I quote..... “you’ve underachieved”........

Total mind screw.......

I’ve been reflecting upon this a lot lately. 1. I think about Elizabeth Warren. If your parents tell you you are Indian what are you supposed to do? I’m telling you my maternal grandma looked like an Indian. High cheekbones and big nose. I never doubted it. Then the bit about my muscle composition. Makes the mind wander........ anybody else try this?

I would not put too much faith in that. The local SLC news team had about 6 of them order kits from all 3 services. On each one who participated all 3 services came back with totally different results. In other words, these kits were proven to be all over the map and unreliable at best.


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I either saw this report or another report saying the same thing. Don't necessarily believe the results you get.


Honestly, the only reason I have not tried this yet is because I don't want to voluntarily hand over my DNA to be stored in a database somewhere.

Sure, they may already have it. Maybe my doctor ratted me out.

But given the fiasco of cell phone calls being stored in a massive DB somewhere (probably the one in Utah) and the government thinking they don't need warrants to access that data, I'm not in any hurry to voluntarily hand over my DNA.

(07-16-2018 08:40 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 08:30 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 08:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Go see the Book of Mormon play on Broadway...... that will explain it all.

No, it won't. But nice try.

Have you seen it? I went last Tuesday night when I took the family to NYC for a stay. It was funny....... I was waiting for somebody to comment on it. The guys who write South Park are behind it. I think it’s up to 11 Tony wins.

One of my Wifes best friends going all the way back to middle school found out she had a brother by another mother!

Uhhh, Dad? Ooooops?!?

Apparently a one time thing while very young, not married yet. Girl left *ahem* or something and Dad knew/knows nothing about it.

They've been in touch, he looks like he's right out of one of their family pictures.

Crazy schit.

(07-15-2018 10:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Soooo,

you’re surprised there were only three other families named olliebaba?!?

Why would that surprise you?

/chuckles

That deserves a +1, no more. LOL

That was funny, even my wife thought so.

(07-15-2018 10:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:07 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  As far as general ancestry, even though I am not a Mormon their ancestry work is superb.

Before the interwebs and DNA kits came along, they were quite simply the best in the world at this — the most comprehensive and accurate database in existence. No one else was even close.

But a lot has changed in the world of genealogy over the past ~25 years. A lot of information which you had to travel to SLC for in 1990, can be obtained online in 5 minutes if you know where to look.

I was told that the Mormon ancestry records were important because they believe they can "save" a person after death without consent. Have you ever heard that?

Every ancestor that have been able too look up is either English, scottish, French or German and all firsr came here over 200 years ago. Very boring. Nothing fun. I hoped I had at least had a crazy Spaniard or a drunk portugesian but no luck.

I can give you a lazy Mexican if you still want one that's different. LOL

(07-15-2018 08:31 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  OK....


I’ve been wanting to talk about this for awhile. For Father’s Day my daughter got me a 23 and me DNA kit. The biggest one the whole 9 yards. I got the results back last Saturday. I always thought my grandma was American Indian. My Mom told me she was part of the Crow tribe. When I was in school I even did a school project on the Crow Nation and their roots in Ohio. I’m 100% European and mostly French German and 20% Irish. I’m even 2% Ashenkazi Jew.

My Dad died at the ripe old age of 52. I’ve always had this number in the back of my head. Well it turns out my DNA is incredibly healthy. I even have a GG variant in muscle composition that every Olympic athlete ever tested has. Im also,supposed to be 3% skinner than the average American. For my height my DNA says I should weigh about 178. I weigh 240 currently. I always thought I was predisposed to being stocky. Here all along I’m supposed to be an Olympic athlete ripped at about 178. This plays mind games with you. When wife read the results she looked at me and says. I quote..... “you’ve underachieved”........

Total mind screw.......

I’ve been reflecting upon this a lot lately. 1. I think about Elizabeth Warren. If your parents tell you you are Indian what are you supposed to do? I’m telling you my maternal grandma looked like an Indian. High cheekbones and big nose. I never doubted it. Then the bit about my muscle composition. Makes the mind wander........ anybody else try this?

Look at your Maternal and Paternal Haplogroup it will give you some information on you parents line of origin. I tested at 23andMe when they first started out and have tested at three or more different places. The DNA stuff has helped me out a lot in Family research.

(07-16-2018 06:25 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 06:20 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:07 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  As far as general ancestry, even though I am not a Mormon their ancestry work is superb.

Before the interwebs and DNA kits came along, they were quite simply the best in the world at this — the most comprehensive and accurate database in existence. No one else was even close.

But a lot has changed in the world of genealogy over the past ~25 years. A lot of information which you had to travel to SLC for in 1990, can be obtained online in 5 minutes if you know where to look.

I was told that the Mormon ancestry records were important because they believe they can "save" a person after death without consent. Have you ever heard that?

Every ancestor that have been able too look up is either English, scottish, French or German and all firsr came here over 200 years ago. Very boring. Nothing fun. I hoped I had at least had a crazy Spaniard or a drunk portugesian but no luck.

My dad went through the Mormon church back in the 80s to connect some dots when he was working on our genealogy. I've heard he same thing. I think they have people stand in as a proxy and be baptized for deceased people so they can be saved retroactively. If we have any Mormon posters they might can clarify but that is what I have heard as well.

That is a strange religion. How can you be saved through Christ if you never accepted Him or asked forgiveness?

That goes against the most basic teachings of the NT.

It kinda like when this current Jesuit pope claims you don't need Christ for salvation. WUT? How can you even claim to be a Christian?

Eric, that's no different than the Rosary that's chanted after someone dies. People don't realize that if you believed in Christ or not when you were alive is what's important. A rosary (or masses) ain't gonna help a bit. The Mass will only help the Catholic churchs treasure chest.

(07-16-2018 04:07 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 06:25 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 06:20 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Before the interwebs and DNA kits came along, they were quite simply the best in the world at this — the most comprehensive and accurate database in existence. No one else was even close.

But a lot has changed in the world of genealogy over the past ~25 years. A lot of information which you had to travel to SLC for in 1990, can be obtained online in 5 minutes if you know where to look.

I was told that the Mormon ancestry records were important because they believe they can "save" a person after death without consent. Have you ever heard that?

Every ancestor that have been able too look up is either English, scottish, French or German and all firsr came here over 200 years ago. Very boring. Nothing fun. I hoped I had at least had a crazy Spaniard or a drunk portugesian but no luck.

My dad went through the Mormon church back in the 80s to connect some dots when he was working on our genealogy. I've heard he same thing. I think they have people stand in as a proxy and be baptized for deceased people so they can be saved retroactively. If we have any Mormon posters they might can clarify but that is what I have heard as well.

That is a strange religion. How can you be saved through Christ if you never accepted Him or asked forgiveness?

That goes against the most basic teachings of the NT.

It kinda like when this current Jesuit pope claims you don't need Christ for salvation. WUT? How can you even claim to be a Christian?

Eric, that's no different than the Rosary that's chanted after someone dies. People don't realize that if you believed in Christ or not when you were alive is what's important. A rosary (or masses) ain't gonna help a bit. The Mass will only help the Catholic churchs treasure chest.

agreed

(07-16-2018 06:20 AM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:59 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:42 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:07 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  As far as general ancestry, even though I am not a Mormon their ancestry work is superb.

Before the interwebs and DNA kits came along, they were quite simply the best in the world at this — the most comprehensive and accurate database in existence. No one else was even close.

But a lot has changed in the world of genealogy over the past ~25 years. A lot of information which you had to travel to SLC for in 1990, can be obtained online in 5 minutes if you know where to look.

I was told that the Mormon ancestry records were important because they believe they can "save" a person after death without consent. Have you ever heard that?

Every ancestor that have been able too look up is either English, scottish, French or German and all firsr came here over 200 years ago. Very boring. Nothing fun. I hoped I had at least had a crazy Spaniard or a drunk portugesian but no luck.

My dad went through the Mormon church back in the 80s to connect some dots when he was working on our genealogy. I've heard he same thing. I think they have people stand in as a proxy and be baptized for deceased people so they can be saved retroactively. If we have any Mormon posters they might can clarify but that is what I have heard as well.

I live in Utah, but not LDS. They do have people (usually kids) stand in. They got in hot water for dead dunking holocaust victims and also they did that for the victims of Mountain Meadows. Surviving families in both instances were not happy.

If you can ever get hold of the movie September Dawn, it gives a great history of the Mountain Meadows Massacre of Sept 11, 1857. It was the largest act of domestic terrorism prior to the 2nd 9 11. It is a good flick regardless, starring Jon Voight.


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(07-16-2018 03:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Soooo,

you’re surprised there were only three other families named olliebaba?!?

Why would that surprise you?

/chuckles

That deserves a +1, no more. LOL

That was funny, even my wife thought so.

Well,

If the mrs olliebaba liked it too, that’s gotta be a +2 at least!

That, and she puts up with you!

(07-17-2018 04:56 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(07-16-2018 03:58 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  

(07-15-2018 10:35 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  Soooo,

you’re surprised there were only three other families named olliebaba?!?

Why would that surprise you?

/chuckles

That deserves a +1, no more. LOL

That was funny, even my wife thought so.

Well,

If the mrs olliebaba liked it too, that’s gotta be a +2 at least!

That, and she puts up with you!

Now, that was very S toot of you. It seems everyone that knows us gives my wife condolences for sticking with me. I'm the nicest guy in the world but like Hillary I'm misunderstood. LOL

Did you know that most generals are more afraid of their wives than they are of hand to hand combat with an enemy. Me too. I behave when I'm around her. It's "yes dear", "no dear" with me.

PS, no, just one good boy, no more.