(07-21-2018 01:35 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 01:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-20-2018 05:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-19-2018 09:26 AM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  https://www.abqjournal.com/1198235/unm-l...ports.html

President and AD are recommending to cut men's soccer, men's and women's skiiing and women's beach volleyball. Additionally, rosters will be trimmed for men’s cross country and track and women’s swimming and diving.

"And those measures will not entirely cure the athletic department’s budget challenges; filling the shortfall could still require more support from main campus, students and/or the state."

None of the recommended cut sports are members of the Mountain West Conference. New Mexico skiiing won the National Championship in 2004. Men's Soccer is part of Conference USA (along with Kentucky and South Carolina), which would now have eight members.

As mentioned before, New Mexico sponsors a whopping 22 sports! Even dropping these will leave New Mexico with more than many SEC schools, which shows that UNM just has too many sports for a non p5 school. They even had wrestling into the 2000's....
Maybe at some point the Lobos will pump more into their big 3: basketball, baseball and football.

Didn’t Temple do the same thing recently? Like New Mexico, they ran an athletic department as if they were in the Big Ten minus the budget.

The only G5’s that might be able to afford that many sports are schools like Rice, Tulane, SMU and the academies. Liberty might be able as well.

I agree with you except with SMU. Maybe they could, but they won’t. They don’t even have a baseball team. Neither does Tulsa and Temple now.

SMU has the money. They just lack the fanbase. The June Jones and Larry Brown hires proved that they can pay big money if they want to but as a Dallasite, I see the disconnect between the school and the community. TCU does an excellent job in Fort Worth, the entire town (which is mostly blue collar) embraced the Horned Frogs while most folks here in Dallas and surrounding communities see SMU as an out of touch, spoiled brat, daddy will buy me a Mercedes and get me a credit card type of institution which you can say the same thing about any private school but I don’t see Rice dealing with the same issue in Houston. Twenty years ago, SMU and TCU were seen as equals in athletics. The gap is so wide now, I don’t think SMU will ever be able to catch up to TCU.

As for New Mexico, I should be happy as a UTEP fan to see our rivals suffer. But in reality, I wish the Lobos well. I don’t think they know their full potential being the flagship school in a mid size metro area and their decent academics which could be attractive for a P5 opening in the long term. Same for Colorado State. They can learn a thing or two from Utah which was behind both in the 80’s and early 90’s.

I’ve said the exact same thing about New Mexico and Colorado St on here for years: they simply don’t understand their potential. They both have great things going for them. It’s a mystery to me. Though I will say Colorado St is starting to figure things out and I’ve long predicted they’ll eventually end up in the Big 12.

(07-21-2018 08:21 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  so woman' cash cow is student fee's & tax payers

Yes, just like the overwhelming number of men's sports are at almost all schools as well. Heck, at most schools, football runs the biggest deficit.

Bottom line is that the most efficient way for about 98% of all schools to reduce their athletic debt and reduce fees from students and taxpayers is to cut football. Though part of it is self-inflicted, of course. E.g., the article quoted before says that at Rutgers, the entire men's tennis team budget was less than the amount football spent on hotels for their *home* games.

Hotels for home games? That's a garish, copycat "me too" idea that Rutgers just can't afford, or maybe now they can with the humongous B1G loot coming their way soon. But in many cases, schools spend far more on aspects of their football than they need to in a feeble attempt to emulate what the elite, high revenue schools are doing.

(07-21-2018 01:40 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 01:35 PM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 01:17 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(07-21-2018 11:47 AM)UTEPDallas Wrote:  

(07-20-2018 05:41 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  As mentioned before, New Mexico sponsors a whopping 22 sports! Even dropping these will leave New Mexico with more than many SEC schools, which shows that UNM just has too many sports for a non p5 school. They even had wrestling into the 2000's....
Maybe at some point the Lobos will pump more into their big 3: basketball, baseball and football.

Didn’t Temple do the same thing recently? Like New Mexico, they ran an athletic department as if they were in the Big Ten minus the budget.

The only G5’s that might be able to afford that many sports are schools like Rice, Tulane, SMU and the academies. Liberty might be able as well.

I agree with you except with SMU. Maybe they could, but they won’t. They don’t even have a baseball team. Neither does Tulsa and Temple now.

SMU has the money. They just lack the fanbase. The June Jones and Larry Brown hires proved that they can pay big money if they want to but as a Dallasite, I see the disconnect between the school and the community. TCU does an excellent job in Fort Worth, the entire town (which is mostly blue collar) embraced the Horned Frogs while most folks here in Dallas and surrounding communities see SMU as an out of touch, spoiled brat, daddy will buy me a Mercedes and get me a credit card type of institution which you can say the same thing about any private school but I don’t see Rice dealing with the same issue in Houston. Twenty years ago, SMU and TCU were seen as equals in athletics. The gap is so wide now, I don’t think SMU will ever be able to catch up to TCU.

As for New Mexico, I should be happy as a UTEP fan to see our rivals suffer. But in reality, I wish the Lobos well. I don’t think they know their full potential being the flagship school in a mid size metro area and their decent academics which could be attractive for a P5 opening in the long term. Same for Colorado State. They can learn a thing or two from Utah which was behind both in the 80’s and early 90’s.

I’ve said the exact same thing about New Mexico and Colorado St on here for years: they simply don’t understand their potential. They both have great things going for them. It’s a mystery to me. Though I will say Colorado St is starting to figure things out and I’ve long predicted they’ll eventually end up in the Big 12.

Because of Utah.

CSU was the original Utah in the 1990s. They had Tom Jurich as AD. Had he stayed in Ft Collins instead of going to Louisville and accomplished the same things he did at UL, maybe, CSU would be in the Pac-12 with Colorado instead of Utah or in the Big XII as Colorado’s replacement. The Rams were supposed to be the original BCS buster (BYU too), instead, they watched Utah become a football power with two BCS bowl wins. It also helped Rice-Eccles Stadium was remodeled for the 2002 Winter Olympics in SLC and CSU played at an off campus dump. To make things worse, they saw newcomer TCU dominate the MWC until they left in 2012. They saw what they consider an inferior school, Boise State become a media favorite and get respect from P5 schools.

CSU had their wake up call. They’re doing the right things thinking long term. UNM OTOH, it’s a mess and they probably accepted their place as a G5 school.

Some years ago there was a great Cajun restaurant that opened up here. One day we are in and visiting with the owner and he beefs that if it weren't for the city "hamburger tax" and sales tax he would be doing a lot better. He walks away and I'm fuming and my wife asks what was wrong. I repeated what he had said and she says "Wait. We pay those taxes, he just collects it for the state and the city". Exactly.

He skipped on his bills then tried to open another restaurant about 10 miles away and folded even faster there.

A local small factory owner explained at a Chamber of Commerce meeting that regulatory costs were killing him. An owner in a somewhat similar business tried to pin him down on the issues. Well he had been cited for OSHA violations after a number of worker's comp claims got him flagged for a closer look. The business folded because the owner couldn't figure out how to operate within the safety rules.

Complying with Title IX and NCAA division criteria is just a regulatory cost. If you cannot afford those, you cannot afford to be in the business of Division I FBS.

(07-22-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some years ago there was a great Cajun restaurant that opened up here. One day we are in and visiting with the owner and he beefs that if it weren't for the city "hamburger tax" and sales tax he would be doing a lot better. He walks away and I'm fuming and my wife asks what was wrong. I repeated what he had said and she says "Wait. We pay those taxes, he just collects it for the state and the city". Exactly.

He skipped on his bills then tried to open another restaurant about 10 miles away and folded even faster there.

A local small factory owner explained at a Chamber of Commerce meeting that regulatory costs were killing him. An owner in a somewhat similar business tried to pin him down on the issues. Well he had been cited for OSHA violations after a number of worker's comp claims got him flagged for a closer look. The business folded because the owner couldn't figure out how to operate within the safety rules.

Complying with Title IX and NCAA division criteria is just a regulatory cost. If you cannot afford those, you cannot afford to be in the business of Division I FBS.

Excellent Post.

New Mexico To Reduce Men's XC/Track Roster Spots
https://www.flotrack.org/articles/6229615

(07-22-2018 05:07 PM)SoCalBobcat78 Wrote:  

(07-22-2018 03:59 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Some years ago there was a great Cajun restaurant that opened up here. One day we are in and visiting with the owner and he beefs that if it weren't for the city "hamburger tax" and sales tax he would be doing a lot better. He walks away and I'm fuming and my wife asks what was wrong. I repeated what he had said and she says "Wait. We pay those taxes, he just collects it for the state and the city". Exactly.

He skipped on his bills then tried to open another restaurant about 10 miles away and folded even faster there.

A local small factory owner explained at a Chamber of Commerce meeting that regulatory costs were killing him. An owner in a somewhat similar business tried to pin him down on the issues. Well he had been cited for OSHA violations after a number of worker's comp claims got him flagged for a closer look. The business folded because the owner couldn't figure out how to operate within the safety rules.

Complying with Title IX and NCAA division criteria is just a regulatory cost. If you cannot afford those, you cannot afford to be in the business of Division I FBS.

Excellent Post.

Yup - he's on a roll!

UNM athletics reports finishing fiscal year 2018 in the black after all
https://www.abqjournal.com/1206205

Well I hope they keep their skiing after all

Got ridiculed for saying UNM would be adding hockey to get more revenue sports, but it’s looking more and more like that could happen. There is slew of rumors that hockey will be started at many western schools.

UNM has a nearby arena that is the perfect size and they can add women’s lacrosse for TItle IX, bringing in a lot of out-state athletes for a minimal scholarship %.

I think they should build a bob sled track, heck or even UTEP could build a bob sled track right there in the Franklin mountains, I would drive the 770 miles from my house in Houston to be a reg fan there

Well, there are many D2 schools on the west coast that do have a club hockey team. This would be good news if they do add hockey. I think some RMAC schools do have club hockey as well. Be good to see Denver to have some travel partners as well.

Quote:Suit seeks to block UNM’s vote on sports

The firestorm over the University of New Mexico’s controversial decision to cut sports intensified Friday with a new lawsuit against the institution’s governing board.

Maria Touchet is suing the UNM Board of Regents in District Court in Albuquerque, alleging the board violated the state’s Open Meetings Act with a July 19 vote to eliminate Lobo men’s soccer, men’s and women’s skiing and women’s beach volleyball. The vote also cut diving from women’s swimming and diving and reduced roster spots in men’s track and field.

Touchet is asking a judge to rule the vote violated the Open Meetings Act and the state Constitution and issue an injunction to prohibit UNM from initiating any of the measures included in the plan the regents approved.

The complaint comes just days after the New Mexico Office of the Attorney General determined that UNM had violated the OMA by failing to provide the public with enough specific information on the meeting’s agenda.

Touchet and another private citizen, David Pato, had filed separate complaints with Attorney General Hector Balderas that prompted his office to review the matter.

Touchet’s lawsuit raises concerns similar to those raised in her letter to the attorney general. She cites the agenda’s lack of detail and alleges the board had arrived at the decision ahead of the meeting through “a series of secret communications,” which she says represents a rolling quorum. Her suit also says the vote was “unconstitutional” since the board did not include a member of the student body as outlined in the constitution. UNM student Regent Garrett Adcock graduated in May, though a UNM spokeswoman has said he intends to take classes this fall.

Her lawsuit also asks a “duly constituted Board of Regents” to “reconsider” the action taken July 19 and to pay her legal fees.

Full Article

(08-11-2018 01:25 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  UNM athletics reports finishing fiscal year 2018 in the black after all
https://www.abqjournal.com/1206205

Oh? Then what was the Big up roar about? Did some anti athletics people at UNM start trouble where there wasn’t any big problem after all?

(08-11-2018 11:54 AM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Quote:Suit seeks to block UNM’s vote on sports

The firestorm over the University of New Mexico’s controversial decision to cut sports intensified Friday with a new lawsuit against the institution’s governing board.

Maria Touchet is suing the UNM Board of Regents in District Court in Albuquerque, alleging the board violated the state’s Open Meetings Act with a July 19 vote to eliminate Lobo men’s soccer, men’s and women’s skiing and women’s beach volleyball. The vote also cut diving from women’s swimming and diving and reduced roster spots in men’s track and field.

Touchet is asking a judge to rule the vote violated the Open Meetings Act and the state Constitution and issue an injunction to prohibit UNM from initiating any of the measures included in the plan the regents approved.

The complaint comes just days after the New Mexico Office of the Attorney General determined that UNM had violated the OMA by failing to provide the public with enough specific information on the meeting’s agenda.

Touchet and another private citizen, David Pato, had filed separate complaints with Attorney General Hector Balderas that prompted his office to review the matter.

Touchet’s lawsuit raises concerns similar to those raised in her letter to the attorney general. She cites the agenda’s lack of detail and alleges the board had arrived at the decision ahead of the meeting through “a series of secret communications,” which she says represents a rolling quorum. Her suit also says the vote was “unconstitutional” since the board did not include a member of the student body as outlined in the constitution. UNM student Regent Garrett Adcock graduated in May, though a UNM spokeswoman has said he intends to take classes this fall.

Her lawsuit also asks a “duly constituted Board of Regents” to “reconsider” the action taken July 19 and to pay her legal fees.

Full Article

Here’s a link to a related editorial also from the Journal

https://www.abqjournal.com/1207679/a-maj...ated+posts

“Discussion and Action on Athletics”
-topic from the July 19 Agenda.

Wow. They really tried to pull a fast one.
In some ways, even worse than what Birmingham did.

(08-12-2018 03:23 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-11-2018 01:25 AM)joeben69 Wrote:  UNM athletics reports finishing fiscal year 2018 in the black after all
https://www.abqjournal.com/1206205

Oh? Then what was the Big up roar about? Did some anti athletics people at UNM start trouble where there wasn’t any big problem after all?

Most people who have followed it see the problem as deceit, self serving by top administrators, lack of regard for the various constituencies of the university, and lack of accountability. The specific financial shortcomings, are only the trigger.