The RPI is now completely meaningless.

Transfers can be a very difficult thing. Not anywhere close to all of them pan out the way they thought. Especially guys that are moving up like Chartouny.

McEwan isn't even eligible this year.......

Also, that's funny about Marquette's 2018 class- Joey Hauser is 100% showing up on the 247 composite ratings. But because he was the only recruit they had, that is why they were so low as a school. He was #48 on ESPN I know.

Also, the Big East has NEVER had about 1/5 of the top 100 recruits. 2014 had 14 top 100 recruits. Since then the league has never gotten even more than 14 4/5 star guys(normally top 130-140).

(11-06-2018 05:34 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Rankings only tell part of the story. A few years back, the BE has about 1/5 of the top 100 recruits. Recruiting goes up and down year after year. What matters is the BE has won 2 out of the last 3 titles and has been in the top 4 RPI conferences every year since the conference was formed, including 2nd last year. There doesn't appear to be any drop off in the talent joining the Big East, despite what last year's recruiting classes were ranked.

Yes, the real question is "who cares what the Big East recruiting rankings are"? When the proof is in the pudding of results.

(11-06-2018 06:13 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-06-2018 05:34 PM)MU88 Wrote:  Rankings only tell part of the story. A few years back, the BE has about 1/5 of the top 100 recruits. Recruiting goes up and down year after year. What matters is the BE has won 2 out of the last 3 titles and has been in the top 4 RPI conferences every year since the conference was formed, including 2nd last year. There doesn't appear to be any drop off in the talent joining the Big East, despite what last year's recruiting classes were ranked.

Yes, the real question is "who cares what the Big East recruiting rankings are"? When the proof is in the pudding of results.

I was just going to say, the conference is playing well that means the kids they bring in are better than their rankings or they have been coached up to be better than their projections. I'd say thats more important than just some guesswork ranking.

(11-06-2018 05:54 PM)stever20 Wrote:  The RPI is now completely meaningless.

Transfers can be a very difficult thing. Not anywhere close to all of them pan out the way they thought. Especially guys that are moving up like Chartouny.

McEwan isn't even eligible this year.......

Also, that's funny about Marquette's 2018 class- Joey Hauser is 100% showing up on the 247 composite ratings. But because he was the only recruit they had, that is why they were so low as a school. He was #48 on ESPN I know.

Also, the Big East has NEVER had about 1/5 of the top 100 recruits. 2014 had 14 top 100 recruits. Since then the league has never gotten even more than 14 4/5 star guys(normally top 130-140).

You have repeatedly proclaimed how important NET will be, while also arguing how big of a negative impact it will end up being for the Big East. Each and every Big East team won tonight by a margin of ten or more points, a night which you also said would be huge in determining the trajectory of the league. Oops (1).

You have also said that this will be a down year for the Big East, due to the huge losses the programs have suffered. Well, Lunardi predicted that the BE will still get six teams in. I see you have already dismissed his prediction since it does not align with your personal views. Ooops (2).

At least you were right about Heron not being eligible at St. John's. Ooooops (3).

It's a shame that the current configuration of the Big East cannot compete for National Championships, nor are they able to continue to recruit and win at a high-level. Without the assistance of football, it's clear that the Big East will be no better than the A-10 moving forward. Ooooops (4).

You absolutely nailed it in declaring that the addition of Wichita State would elevate the AAC as a power basketball conference. They just one-upped their upset defeat against #13 seed Marshall in March with an opening game home-loss to Louisiana Tech. Ooooooops (5).

Can you give me any tips on which stocks to buy? Because I will for sure invest in absolutely anything else.

Dude all tonight the Big East did was hold serve. With the schedule that they had tonight- putrid, the Big East could do absolutely positively nothing to help them out. By winning by 10, it didn't hurt them..... That's all tonight did.

As I've said, Bracketology this year is going to be really tough until we know how different the NET ratings are. I think any bracketologist would say that.

When I said that Heron wasn't going to be eligible- that was back when the NCAA hadn't gone bat **** crazy on granting these waivers for the first time in 3 years. Who knew that the NCAA would turn dumb ****? Might not matter much as St John's scheduled like absolute ******* and like Rothstein said after their win tonight- probably need 23 or more.

The Big East, err Villanova, has done great in the tourney.

(11-07-2018 12:47 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Dude all tonight the Big East did was hold serve. With the schedule that they had tonight- putrid, the Big East could do absolutely positively nothing to help them out. By winning by 10, it didn't hurt them..... That's all tonight did.

As I've said, Bracketology this year is going to be really tough until we know how different the NET ratings are. I think any bracketologist would say that.

When I said that Heron wasn't going to be eligible- that was back when the NCAA hadn't gone bat **** crazy on granting these waivers for the first time in 3 years. Who knew that the NCAA would turn dumb ****? Might not matter much as St John's scheduled like absolute ******* and like Rothstein said after their win tonight- probably need 23 or more.

The Big East, err Villanova, has done great in the tourney.

I think it's time to come out and admit you are in no way a Big East fan. You are not a Georgetown fan and that you are in fact a AAC fan. The charade is over. Lets all at least move forward under the undeniable truth of who we are as fans.

Back to the original theme. With the Big 12 working with the Big East and the SEC. That is two less games against boring OOC schools.

stever has become very active on the AAC board since last night. His opinion seems highly valued and it appears to be a mutually beneficial relationship.

(11-07-2018 11:06 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  stever has become very active on the AAC board since last night. His opinion seems highly valued and it appears to be a mutually beneficial relationship.

It'll be what's best for all parties involved.

(11-07-2018 11:38 AM)Bogg Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 11:06 AM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  stever has become very active on the AAC board since last night. His opinion seems highly valued and it appears to be a mutually beneficial relationship.

It'll be what's best for all parties involved.

think it's really interesting what a bracketologist said about this year-
Even though the new metric has some added wrinkles, like net offensive and defensive efficiency and a (capped) margin-of-victory measure, many of the components are ones previously included in the RPI. Making matters even more mysterious, the NET is a proprietary measure and not an easily duplicated formula like the RPI. That means it’s going to take a bit time to get a good handle of how it treats teams, particularly those from outside of the power conferences. So, February’s bracket sneak preview is going to be particularly interesting as it will give us the first solid picture of how the Selection Committee is using its new tool. But until we get a better idea of the data, I’m going to continue to do bracket projections as I always have.

With the full knowledge of how badly my own team sucks...

Hey, how are the Gavitt Games goink?

USFFan

(10-19-2018 02:59 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  BTW, to me it seems clear that in hoops, there actually is a "P6", but it includes the Big East, not the AAC.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketb...019/poll/1

Quote:AP Top 25 poll
First-place votes in parentheses

1. Duke (53)
2. Kansas (7)
3. Gonzaga
4. Virginia (2)
5. Tennessee (1)
6. Nevada
7. North Carolina
8. Auburn
9. Michigan
10. Kentucky
11. Michigan State
12. Kansas State
13. Virginia Tech
14. Florida State
15. Mississippi State
16. Clemson
17. UCLA
18. TCU
19. LSU
20. Iowa
21. Oregon
22. Buffalo
23. Ohio State
24. Purdue
25. Wisconsin

USFFan

wow, saw that this was first time since Jan 26, 1982 that no Big East team has been ranked.....

Games announced (according to Jon Rothstein)

KU at Villanova
OU at Creighton
Texas at Providence
WVU at St. John's
Marquette at Kansas State
Texas Tech at DePaul
SHU at Iowa State
Xavier at TCU
Butler at Baylor
Georgetown at Oklahoma State

Villanova/Kansas, Oklahoma/Creighton, Texas/Providence and Marquette/Kansas State are all continuations/completions of home/home series between the schools, which made such a challenge an easy administrative task for the two conferences. I would be interested in seeing next year's matchups, once these home/home series are completed.

I would definitely be interested in attending TT/DePaul here in Chicago. Butler and Baylor is interesting too, since Scott Drew went to Butler. I would have liked to see Jamie Dixon again against one of the original BE members, but it sounds like he might not be TCU's head coach next year. WVU/SJU will bring back some memories.