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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-26-2018 06:56 PM)usffan Wrote:  
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(07-26-2018 11:33 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Also worth mentioning (something we just talked about on the TV thread) is that Boise takes a bigger share of TV revenue than the rest of the MWC. They are in a pretty good spot in that, when we beat up on each other, they swoop in with a generally unblemished record.

We obviously wouldn't go for that. They wouldn't have an automatic leg up in our conference, and would likely end up being a middling team.

See ECU 2013 (CUSA competition) vs. ECU 2015 (you fellas)......and just ignore the last two years.


Boise would not be a middling team, they would battle for the top with UH, UCF, USF and Memphis.


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Every few years yes but after a short while they'd fall into the middle of the pack without the financial advantage they enjoy over the rest of the MWC now and a step up in competition at the top.

Their recruiting might improve though, especially from texas kids so maybe not. I think overall they would be 2nd tier in AAC, generally.


If you think they would be 2nd tier you are on something. They have a better brand name than anyone in the AAC. They recruit everywhere and being in the AAC would only enhance them.


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I take exception to several of your assertions. Houston's got a better brand than Boise. The run and shoot > the Statue of Liberty, Andre Ware's Heisman > dead birds flying into blue turf, the Cougar getting teabagged by the Oregon Duck > Legarrette Blount beating up the Boise State trash talker... the list goes on and on. Seriously, every year that goes by, that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma fades more and more.

And as for the "recruit everywhere" line, have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi. They essentially recruit California and Texas, which is completely logical, but hardly any wider than what the rest of their MWC brethren do. And Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season). Hardly the mark of a brand that's recruiting everywhere.

Look, Boise's done very well, but it's not clear that Chris Petersen didn't take what was left of their magic with him when he left. It will be interesting to see if they keep their "most favored nation" status in the MWC now that they've kind of come back to Earth a bit.

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Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi. Is the rest of this post made up as well?
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-26-2018 01:28 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:40 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:33 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:24 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 10:52 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  I'm not talking about basketball. I'm talking about how we are viewed as a football conference. And TV dollars is not the media perception I am talking about. I'm talking about the talking heads, analysts, and writers that drive and shape public opinion and perception. The ones that are driving the same narrative about P5 superiority over G5.

Rankings we aren't significantly ahead. San Diego State, Fresno State, and Boise were all ranked last year at some point.

As far a a more difficult road to the NY6... our conference would not have a more difficult road. Maybe UCF would b/c we have more competition... but the winner of our conference would be viewed as the "G5 Champion" for all intents and purposes. Our conference has only made 50% of the NY6 games, and I think that would increase to 75%-100% (only time we'd be challenged for the spot would be a rare undefeated season by another conference. Even then, a 1 loss AAC team I think could get the nod).


In my opinion, it would help our status while demoralizing the rest of the G4... which would increase our status as well just by creating a massive difference between us and everyone else. And while I don't disagree that we would be splitting up a little money... we wouldnt be sacrificing much ($6mil a year per team in a 12 team conference is $72mil, vs. the same $72mil divided by 13 teams is $5.5mil)... that little money would be worth the perception increase and almost guaranteed AAC slot in the NY6 game.

If you disagree, then we can agree to disagree...
I definitely disagree. Even in football MWC is never mentioned. I can't find a single expert who would rank the MWC ahead of AAC in football. The gap is only getting wider too. You say the media perception is we're on par with MWC. Based on what? All I see is AAC is head and shoulders above rest of the g4.


As for the ranking, you are pretty mistaken. The gap is very wide.

Final AP last year AAC had 3 teams (6, 21, 25) MWC had 1 (boise 22).
2016 - AAC - 1 (19) MWC 1 (25)
2015 - AAC - 2 (10, 18) MWC 0

Total AAC 6 - MWC 2

Bottom lines:

1. Boise wouldn't add anything to our tv contract, so in reality they'd be taking money away from us
2. Taking boise would simply make mwc more like CUSA, but wouldn't get us any closer to the p5
3. Boise would cost us a lot of $$$ in terms of travel

Also worth mentioning (something we just talked about on the TV thread) is that Boise takes a bigger share of TV revenue than the rest of the MWC. They are in a pretty good spot in that, when we beat up on each other, they swoop in with a generally unblemished record.

We obviously wouldn't go for that. They wouldn't have an automatic leg up in our conference, and would likely end up being a middling team.

See ECU 2013 (CUSA competition) vs. ECU 2015 (you fellas)......and just ignore the last two years.


Boise would not be a middling team, they would battle for the top with UH, UCF, USF and Memphis.


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We said the EXACT same thing when we were playing the likes of FIU (New Mexico), FAU (Fresno), and UTEP (Air Force) every year.

To draw another parallel, we looked like the worst football in the history of football last year, and scored more points on BYU than Boise did.

Boise is a 5-win team in the AAC.

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UCF fan would be the one who knows what a five win team looks like. What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-26-2018 01:00 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:31 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  Written by the MWC site...

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference





(Spoiler: AAC in a landslide)

Article sums it up well. AAC is clearly the 6th best conference in the country.

100% agree ^^^

AAC current membership lineup has come a long way... And IF boise were to be in this league for example they would play Houston UCF Cincinnati Memphis Navy Temple to name a few on a regular basis while not overlooking programs who could very well upset at any given day like SMU USF UConn Tulsa East Carolina and even Tulane.

I know I mentioned every football program in this but that's just how strong this league has gotten in such a short time.

I say boise would most likely be a middle of the pack in this league, absolutely.
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-27-2018 10:10 PM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 09:06 PM)Borncoog74 Wrote:  I would consider adding Boise St. only if we add BYU with them.

Preferably football only for both.

Pretty much my thoughts. Unless it is a giant splash like BYU/Boise State, it isn't worth going past 12. The western teams are at a disadvantage with the time zone.

I would prefer Air Force to get 2 of the three branches of military, but yeah, Pretty much the same feelings. But those disadvantages would be advantages as far as a TV contract. More content for the network to show in the later times zones.
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:28 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:40 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:33 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:24 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  I definitely disagree. Even in football MWC is never mentioned. I can't find a single expert who would rank the MWC ahead of AAC in football. The gap is only getting wider too. You say the media perception is we're on par with MWC. Based on what? All I see is AAC is head and shoulders above rest of the g4.


As for the ranking, you are pretty mistaken. The gap is very wide.

Final AP last year AAC had 3 teams (6, 21, 25) MWC had 1 (boise 22).
2016 - AAC - 1 (19) MWC 1 (25)
2015 - AAC - 2 (10, 18) MWC 0

Total AAC 6 - MWC 2

Bottom lines:

1. Boise wouldn't add anything to our tv contract, so in reality they'd be taking money away from us
2. Taking boise would simply make mwc more like CUSA, but wouldn't get us any closer to the p5
3. Boise would cost us a lot of $$$ in terms of travel

Also worth mentioning (something we just talked about on the TV thread) is that Boise takes a bigger share of TV revenue than the rest of the MWC. They are in a pretty good spot in that, when we beat up on each other, they swoop in with a generally unblemished record.

We obviously wouldn't go for that. They wouldn't have an automatic leg up in our conference, and would likely end up being a middling team.

See ECU 2013 (CUSA competition) vs. ECU 2015 (you fellas)......and just ignore the last two years.


Boise would not be a middling team, they would battle for the top with UH, UCF, USF and Memphis.


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We said the EXACT same thing when we were playing the likes of FIU (New Mexico), FAU (Fresno), and UTEP (Air Force) every year.

To draw another parallel, we looked like the worst football in the history of football last year, and scored more points on BYU than Boise did.

Boise is a 5-win team in the AAC.

[Image: giphy.gif]

UCF fan would be the one who knows what a five win team looks like. What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

At this point (IOW, not 4 years ago), UCF, Memphis, USF, Navy, Houston, Temple, and probably SMU. For what it's worth, someone saying you would be a 5 win team in the AAC translates to last year finishing tied for 4th. Only 4 teams finished with 5 wins or better. So don't be so offended.
http://www.theamerican.org/standings.aspx?standings=35
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-28-2018 02:02 AM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:28 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:40 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:33 AM)CoastalJuan Wrote:  Also worth mentioning (something we just talked about on the TV thread) is that Boise takes a bigger share of TV revenue than the rest of the MWC. They are in a pretty good spot in that, when we beat up on each other, they swoop in with a generally unblemished record.

We obviously wouldn't go for that. They wouldn't have an automatic leg up in our conference, and would likely end up being a middling team.

See ECU 2013 (CUSA competition) vs. ECU 2015 (you fellas)......and just ignore the last two years.


Boise would not be a middling team, they would battle for the top with UH, UCF, USF and Memphis.


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We said the EXACT same thing when we were playing the likes of FIU (New Mexico), FAU (Fresno), and UTEP (Air Force) every year.

To draw another parallel, we looked like the worst football in the history of football last year, and scored more points on BYU than Boise did.

Boise is a 5-win team in the AAC.

[Image: giphy.gif]

UCF fan would be the one who knows what a five win team looks like. What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

At this point (IOW, not 4 years ago), UCF, Memphis, USF, Navy, Houston, Temple, and probably SMU. For what it's worth, someone saying you would be a 5 win team in the AAC translates to last year finishing tied for 4th. Only 4 teams finished with 5 wins or better. So don't be so offended.
http://www.theamerican.org/standings.aspx?standings=35
Massey's has a matchup function - on his ratings page, not the composite. Uses his ratings and multiple simulations.
Has Boise losing to UCF, USF, Memphis
Has Boise beating Navy (54%), Houston and Temple (57% in both of those), and the other West teams more handily. So I guess a 5-3 record is not inconceivable.
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-26-2018 06:31 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  Written by the MWC site...

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference





(Spoiler: AAC in a landslide)

Two other points on the original article and scoring "bowl wins" for one of the mwc advantages.

- One of those mwc bowl wins was also a mwc bowl loss - we as a civilized society must never, never forget that the mwc played vs the mwc in a postseason bowl.

- Also seems to me that there is a gap between bowl wins and NY6 wins. 6 of the AAC's bowl wins are against "P5" compared to two of the mwc's. If you want to avoid double counting NY6, it is four to one.
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

All of them, for simple fact that watching their home games on TV doesn’t cause the viewer some combination of eye bleed, motion sickness, and seizure.
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When a fuller picture, including all sports, is considered, the gap - at least today - isn’t even close. In basketball (both) and baseball, the MWC is hardly even in the same solar system as the AAC. The MWC is struggling almost across the board. I’m not sure what forces have caused that, but those chickens are roosting.
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Here's a nickel worth of advice for the mwc, take boise state back to the negotiations table and restructure their payout... B/c if you don't you (mwc) will continue to be looked at as a one trick pony conference.
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-27-2018 11:20 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:00 PM)First Mate Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:31 AM)KnightNasty Wrote:  Written by the MWC site...

https://www.mwcconnection.com/2018/7/25/...conference





(Spoiler: AAC in a landslide)

Article sums it up well. AAC is clearly the 6th best conference in the country.

100% agree ^^^

AAC current membership lineup has come a long way... And IF boise were to be in this league for example they would play Houston UCF Cincinnati Memphis Navy Temple to name a few on a regular basis while not overlooking programs who could very well upset at any given day like SMU USF UConn Tulsa East Carolina and even Tulane.

I know I mentioned every football program in this but that's just how strong this league has gotten in such a short time.

I say boise would most likely be a middle of the pack in this league, absolutely.

All I can go by is the score of the last ECU - Boise match-up 07-coffee3
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-27-2018 11:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:56 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:23 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 12:50 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 11:40 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  Boise would not be a middling team, they would battle for the top with UH, UCF, USF and Memphis.


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Every few years yes but after a short while they'd fall into the middle of the pack without the financial advantage they enjoy over the rest of the MWC now and a step up in competition at the top.

Their recruiting might improve though, especially from texas kids so maybe not. I think overall they would be 2nd tier in AAC, generally.


If you think they would be 2nd tier you are on something. They have a better brand name than anyone in the AAC. They recruit everywhere and being in the AAC would only enhance them.


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I take exception to several of your assertions. Houston's got a better brand than Boise. The run and shoot > the Statue of Liberty, Andre Ware's Heisman > dead birds flying into blue turf, the Cougar getting teabagged by the Oregon Duck > Legarrette Blount beating up the Boise State trash talker... the list goes on and on. Seriously, every year that goes by, that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma fades more and more.

And as for the "recruit everywhere" line, have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi. They essentially recruit California and Texas, which is completely logical, but hardly any wider than what the rest of their MWC brethren do. And Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season). Hardly the mark of a brand that's recruiting everywhere.

Look, Boise's done very well, but it's not clear that Chris Petersen didn't take what was left of their magic with him when he left. It will be interesting to see if they keep their "most favored nation" status in the MWC now that they've kind of come back to Earth a bit.

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Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi.

Umm... congrats? Doesn't change the following FACTS:

Quote:...have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/tea...er/_/id/68

Jermany Brown from Virginia, Isiah Moore from Ohio and Haden Hoggarth from Florida

Quote:Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season)

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/...s/football

You know what? I apparently overcredited Boise with the #55 ranked class last year, it turns out Rivals had you at #56.

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Quote:Is the rest of this post made up as well?

GTFOH with your "alternative facts" BS.

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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
The ACC just needs to keep on keeping on. Particularly, it does not need to add any school.

The post on the MWC forum omits the premier issue.
The AAC beats the MWC in viewers and it is not close. That is where media contract dollars are determined.

If the AAC gets 3 or more times the money of each G4 conference, it will be clear to the World which conference is P6.

Follow the money.
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(07-28-2018 12:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:56 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:23 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 12:50 PM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote:  Every few years yes but after a short while they'd fall into the middle of the pack without the financial advantage they enjoy over the rest of the MWC now and a step up in competition at the top.

Their recruiting might improve though, especially from texas kids so maybe not. I think overall they would be 2nd tier in AAC, generally.


If you think they would be 2nd tier you are on something. They have a better brand name than anyone in the AAC. They recruit everywhere and being in the AAC would only enhance them.


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I take exception to several of your assertions. Houston's got a better brand than Boise. The run and shoot > the Statue of Liberty, Andre Ware's Heisman > dead birds flying into blue turf, the Cougar getting teabagged by the Oregon Duck > Legarrette Blount beating up the Boise State trash talker... the list goes on and on. Seriously, every year that goes by, that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma fades more and more.

And as for the "recruit everywhere" line, have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi. They essentially recruit California and Texas, which is completely logical, but hardly any wider than what the rest of their MWC brethren do. And Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season). Hardly the mark of a brand that's recruiting everywhere.

Look, Boise's done very well, but it's not clear that Chris Petersen didn't take what was left of their magic with him when he left. It will be interesting to see if they keep their "most favored nation" status in the MWC now that they've kind of come back to Earth a bit.

USFFan

Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi.

Umm... congrats? Doesn't change the following FACTS:

Quote:...have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/tea...er/_/id/68

Jermany Brown from Virginia, Isiah Moore from Ohio and Haden Hoggarth from Florida

Quote:Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season)

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/...s/football

You know what? I apparently overcredited Boise with the #55 ranked class last year, it turns out Rivals had you at #56.

[Image: giphy.gif]

Quote:Is the rest of this post made up as well?

GTFOH with your "alternative facts" BS.

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Rivals is cute. 247 is a little better. Cincy finished ahead in the 247 composite.
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(07-28-2018 10:40 AM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

All of them, for simple fact that watching their home games on TV doesn’t cause the viewer some combination of eye bleed, motion sickness, and seizure.

What does your football field look like guy? When can I tune in to watch a game?
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(07-28-2018 02:48 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 12:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:56 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 01:23 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  If you think they would be 2nd tier you are on something. They have a better brand name than anyone in the AAC. They recruit everywhere and being in the AAC would only enhance them.


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I take exception to several of your assertions. Houston's got a better brand than Boise. The run and shoot > the Statue of Liberty, Andre Ware's Heisman > dead birds flying into blue turf, the Cougar getting teabagged by the Oregon Duck > Legarrette Blount beating up the Boise State trash talker... the list goes on and on. Seriously, every year that goes by, that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma fades more and more.

And as for the "recruit everywhere" line, have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi. They essentially recruit California and Texas, which is completely logical, but hardly any wider than what the rest of their MWC brethren do. And Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season). Hardly the mark of a brand that's recruiting everywhere.

Look, Boise's done very well, but it's not clear that Chris Petersen didn't take what was left of their magic with him when he left. It will be interesting to see if they keep their "most favored nation" status in the MWC now that they've kind of come back to Earth a bit.

USFFan

Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi.

Umm... congrats? Doesn't change the following FACTS:

Quote:...have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/tea...er/_/id/68

Jermany Brown from Virginia, Isiah Moore from Ohio and Haden Hoggarth from Florida

Quote:Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season)

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/...s/football

You know what? I apparently overcredited Boise with the #55 ranked class last year, it turns out Rivals had you at #56.

[Image: giphy.gif]

Quote:Is the rest of this post made up as well?

GTFOH with your "alternative facts" BS.

USFFan

Rivals is cute. 247 is a little better. Cincy finished ahead in the 247 composite.

In other words, "I accused you of making up the things you posted, and when I was confronted with the evidence that everything you posted was, in fact, verifiable, I changed tactics rather than point out I was wrong."

Just so long as we're clear on your MO.

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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-28-2018 03:11 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 02:48 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 12:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-26-2018 06:56 PM)usffan Wrote:  I take exception to several of your assertions. Houston's got a better brand than Boise. The run and shoot > the Statue of Liberty, Andre Ware's Heisman > dead birds flying into blue turf, the Cougar getting teabagged by the Oregon Duck > Legarrette Blount beating up the Boise State trash talker... the list goes on and on. Seriously, every year that goes by, that Fiesta Bowl win over Oklahoma fades more and more.

And as for the "recruit everywhere" line, have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi. They essentially recruit California and Texas, which is completely logical, but hardly any wider than what the rest of their MWC brethren do. And Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season). Hardly the mark of a brand that's recruiting everywhere.

Look, Boise's done very well, but it's not clear that Chris Petersen didn't take what was left of their magic with him when he left. It will be interesting to see if they keep their "most favored nation" status in the MWC now that they've kind of come back to Earth a bit.

USFFan

Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi.

Umm... congrats? Doesn't change the following FACTS:

Quote:...have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/tea...er/_/id/68

Jermany Brown from Virginia, Isiah Moore from Ohio and Haden Hoggarth from Florida

Quote:Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season)

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/...s/football

You know what? I apparently overcredited Boise with the #55 ranked class last year, it turns out Rivals had you at #56.

[Image: giphy.gif]

Quote:Is the rest of this post made up as well?

GTFOH with your "alternative facts" BS.

USFFan

Rivals is cute. 247 is a little better. Cincy finished ahead in the 247 composite.

In other words, "I accused you of making up the things you posted, and when I was confronted with the evidence that everything you posted was, in fact, verifiable, I changed tactics rather than point out I was wrong."

Just so long as we're clear on your MO.

USFFan

You are right man. Some people get there information from places like rivals. People who know what’s up use 247’s composite numbers
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-28-2018 03:19 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 03:11 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 02:48 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 12:49 PM)usffan Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:02 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  Boise signed 3 players in 2018 from east of the Mississippi.

Umm... congrats? Doesn't change the following FACTS:

Quote:...have you looked at their roster? They have 3 players from east of the Mississippi.

http://www.espn.com/college-football/tea...er/_/id/68

Jermany Brown from Virginia, Isiah Moore from Ohio and Haden Hoggarth from Florida

Quote:Rivals has their last 4 recruiting classes ranked as the #55, #66, #54 and #64 classes (an AAC team beats them every season)

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2018/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2017/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2016/...s/football
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2015/...s/football

You know what? I apparently overcredited Boise with the #55 ranked class last year, it turns out Rivals had you at #56.

[Image: giphy.gif]

Quote:Is the rest of this post made up as well?

GTFOH with your "alternative facts" BS.

USFFan

Rivals is cute. 247 is a little better. Cincy finished ahead in the 247 composite.

In other words, "I accused you of making up the things you posted, and when I was confronted with the evidence that everything you posted was, in fact, verifiable, I changed tactics rather than point out I was wrong."

Just so long as we're clear on your MO.

USFFan

You are right man. Some people get there information from places like rivals. People who know what’s up use 247’s composite numbers

Fair enough. Let's see how much better 247 feels about Boise's recruiting:

https://247sports.com/Season/2018-Footba...amRankings (#56, same as Rivals)
https://247sports.com/Season/2017-Footba...amRankings (#64 vs. #66 in Rivals)
https://247sports.com/Season/2016-Footba...amRankings (#68 vs. #54 in Rivals)
https://247sports.com/Season/2015-Footba...amRankings (#58 vs. #64 in Rivals)

Dude, you got me. 247's composite numbers look LOADS better than Rivals. I mean, 247 has you as an average of the 61.5 ranked class compared to Rivals, who has you as the 60th ranked class on average. I stand corrected.

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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-28-2018 02:56 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 10:40 AM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

All of them, for simple fact that watching their home games on TV doesn’t cause the viewer some combination of eye bleed, motion sickness, and seizure.

What does your football field look like guy? When can I tune in to watch a game?
Shockers are default Navy football fans so it looks...
...glorious.
Blue and gold checkerboard end zones, 34000 fans on average.

When? Well CBSSN has sorta made it their anchor property so 3:30 most Saturdays you know RIGHT where it is
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RE: Which is the Top G5 Conference? MWC or AAC...
(07-28-2018 04:05 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 02:56 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  
(07-28-2018 10:40 AM)SHOCK_value Wrote:  
(07-27-2018 11:08 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  What 6 AAC teams do you think are better than Boise ?

All of them, for simple fact that watching their home games on TV doesn’t cause the viewer some combination of eye bleed, motion sickness, and seizure.

What does your football field look like guy? When can I tune in to watch a game?
Shockers are default Navy football fans so it looks...
...glorious.

Blue and gold checkerboard end zones, 34000 fans on average.

When? Well CBSSN has sorta made it their anchor property so 3:30 most Saturdays you know RIGHT where it is

Not only that ^^^... The Shockers are an AAC member so they too are allowed to speak their mind.
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