(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
So are you saying that Manafort does not deserve a jury of his peers because some of those peers may be Trump supporters?
Considering the population they're pulling from it's going to be difficult to pull a Pro-Trump juror.
Fun fact. Russia and Trump are not to be mentioned in this trial because it's not what he's charged with.
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here. I can see a Trumper sliding through the selection process and a hung jury. It will be amazing to me even with a proponderance of evidence to get a guilty verdict because you know what that means. He flips and Trump is toast. He will spend the rest of his life behind bars unless he flips or a die hard Trumper gets seated on the jury.
Mach, ALL your posts seem to be based on the assumption that T-Rex has done the unforgivable, and only a massive cover-up by his minions are hiding the truth. It seems you keep waiting for just the one person who will come clean and expose the monster...
Have you considered the possibility that you and others with TDS are being played?
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
lol...we have the same thing on the other side in which 37% of the population has literally convinced themselves that handful of Facebook accounts were able to offset two carefully orchestrated professional campaigns with massive billion dollar budgets making massive media buys operated by some of the top professional political operatives in the nation. Despite bombing Russian interests in Syria, wiping out 200 Russian nationals in an attack on US backed rebels, raising the stakes on Russian sanctions, increasing the defense budget, forcing NATO members to increase their defense spending, chastising Germany for signing a Russian agreement for fuel supplies, and selling Ukraine arms---some folks have convinced themselves that the fact Trump doesnt believe few 100 Facebook accounts won him the election means he is a Russian sleeper agent.
Its crazy time. The same people scared of a handful facebook accounts want open borders, dont care that Hillary's email accounts were hacked by foreign agents when she was Secretary of State, want illegal aliens to have the right to vote, and have crowned a self proclaimed Socialist as the effective leader of their Party. Wasnt the old USSR a Socialist Republic?
Does anyone else think its odd that the party of Socialism is scared of Russia? I have reals question at to the whether this 37% of the population has even the most basic understanding of the real world and how their belief system fits into that world.
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018 10:22 AM by Attackcoog.)
(07-31-2018 09:24 AM)Jugnaut Wrote: I think Mueller is behaving unethically as a prosecutor. I kind of hope the jury nullifies, but i doubt it and expect Manafort to be convicted of something. I also expect Manafort to stay quiet, serve a couple years of whatever sentence he gets, then be pardoned quietly by Trump.
This.
I just don't see anything but a compromised verdict coming out of this.
(07-31-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote: Fun fact. Russia and Trump are not to be mentioned in this trial because it's not what he's charged with.
You need to tell SuperFlyBCat that.
Well aware that there was no collusion with the Russian government. Which begs the question, what the hell is Mueller and 13 other democrats doing with this investigation.
(07-31-2018 09:05 AM)bobdizole Wrote: fully disagree with Bobby's tactics of skewering Trump's associates to get them to sing, I think in any other circumstance most people on this board would be praising that this scumbag is about to get what's coming to him if half of the charges against him are true. He is the definition of a swamp creature.
Close to the truth.
I view Manafort as one of those people who peddle influence (both their own and others’) and help move money from place without much (or any) concern for where it came from or where it’s going, so long as they get their %. He is not a person for whom we should feel pity/sympathy.
Still and all, the fact remains that Manafort is being prosecuted solely because he worked (briefly) on a political campaign which the Special Prosecutor doesn’t like, for actions Manafort took years before that campaign. I’m not okay with that. Machiavelli’s comment about a possible hung-jury is well-taken, and I hope that it happens.
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018 11:20 AM by Native Georgian.)
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here. I can see a Trumper sliding through the selection process and a hung jury. It will be amazing to me even with a proponderance of evidence to get a guilty verdict because you know what that means. He flips and Trump is toast. He will spend the rest of his life behind bars unless he flips or a die hard Trumper gets seated on the jury.
Keep hoping against hope, but I’m not really sure what a “preponderance of evidence” gets you.
Pretty sure it’s beyond a reasonable doubt...
But, if he’s on the hook for some shady schit from 15 years ago, and that’s what Bueller can hang his scalp on, then I guess so be it.
With this clown show it’ll likely get tossed by the Supreme Court like half their other high profile cases.
Why were these alleged “crimes” looked into and no charges brought more than a decade ago?
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
Making up fantasies in your head, again I see.
Sad!
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018 05:26 PM by JMUDunk.)
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here. I can see a Trumper sliding through the selection process and a hung jury. It will be amazing to me even with a proponderance of evidence to get a guilty verdict because you know what that means. He flips and Trump is toast. He will spend the rest of his life behind bars unless he flips or a die hard Trumper gets seated on the jury.
Keep hoping against hope, but I’m not really sure what a “preponderance of evidence” gets you.
Pretty sure it’s beyond a reasonable doubt...
But, if he’s on the hook for some shady schit from 15 years ago, and that’s what Bueller can hang his scalp on, then I guess so be it.
With this clown show it’ll likely get tossed by the Supreme Court like half their other high profile cases.
Why were these alleged “crimes” looked into and no charges brought more than a decade ago?
Curious, no?
If Manafort was both willing to trade some Trump-dirt in exchange for leniency, and actually had some dirt to trade, then he would’ve made the move a long time ago.
If the jury really crushes Manafort at trial, Trump will pardon him. Then the issue will be back where it belongs — in the political realm. Democrats/Media can make of it what they will in the 2020 campaign.
It’s not clear if the DOJ or IRS really looked carefully into this before, or not. But even swamp-creatures deserve a statute of limitations. We shall see if at least one juror agrees.
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
A mind is a terrible thing to lose to TDS....
A true believer indeed. Everything is juxtaposed to reality. Just as I heard on MSNBC the other night, “Trump is weaponizing the intelligence community.” Betcha he is all in on that one too.
(07-31-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote: Fun fact. Russia and Trump are not to be mentioned in this trial because it's not what he's charged with.
You need to tell SuperFlyBCat that.
Well aware that there was no collusion with the Russian government. Which begs the question, what the hell is Mueller and 13 other democrats doing with this investigation.
Not what I was referring to. You were implying this trial had something to do with collusion. It doesn't. And that in no way means or proves that there was no collusion with Russia.
But clearly the 13 other democrats on the panel and trying to stage a coup against trump.
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018 01:07 PM by Redwingtom.)
(07-31-2018 09:19 AM)EverRespect Wrote: I have an open mind. As it stands now, I don't think he did anything deserving life in prison. If he laundered money, I'd say asset forfeiture and a couple of years should be fitting. If he sold the Ukrainians our nuke blueprints, then I can buy life in prison. I'll wait and see what the feds have.
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
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Mueller's team slams Manafort's lavish lifestyle in trial's opening statements, as defense says wealth is no crime
Quote:Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's lavish lifestyle was front-and-center during opening arguments in his fraud trial Tuesday afternoon, as prosecutors said he lied to put his money ahead of the law, while defense attorneys -- and even the presiding judge -- reminded jurors that exorbitant wealth, in itself, is not a crime.
The trial is the first arising from Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia probe, and it poses a major test of the ongoing investigation that President Trump and top Republicans have long accused of being politically motivated.
The case does not involve any alleged Russian meddling or collusion, and instead focuses on accusations that Manafort failed to properly report his income on tax returns and defrauded banks to obtain multimillion-dollar loans.
In making their opening remarks in the trial in Alexandria, Va., prosecutors spent more than twenty minutes outlining expensive purchases they said Manafort made with money he earned doing work for Ukranian oligarchs and the Ukrainian government, including since-deposed pro-Russian leader Viktor Yanukovych.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Uzo Asonye told the jury that Manafort considered himself above the law as he funneled tens of millions of dollars through offshore accounts to pay for personal expenses such as a $21,000 watch and a $15,000 jacket made of ostrich.
"All of these charges boil down to one simple issue: that Paul Manafort lied," Asonye said. "Manafort placed himself and his money over the law."
But Judge T.S. Ellis III interjected to remind jurors that wealth alone is not criminal.
Ellis had harshly admonished members of Manafort's team in a tense preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president.
"You don't really care about Mr. Manafort," Ellis told prosecutors. "You really care about what information Mr. Manafort can give you to lead you to Mr. Trump and an impeachment, or whatever."
(07-31-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote: Fun fact. Russia and Trump are not to be mentioned in this trial because it's not what he's charged with.
You need to tell SuperFlyBCat that.
Well aware that there was no collusion with the Russian government. Which begs the question, what the hell is Mueller and 13 other democrats doing with this investigation.
Not what I was referring to. You were implying this trial had something to do with collusion. It doesn't. And that in no way means or proves that there was no collusion with Russia.
But clearly the 13 other democrats on the panel and trying to stage a coup against trump.
Why was Mueller hired? Something about Russian collusion.
(07-31-2018 04:00 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote: ______
Mueller's team slams Manafort's lavish lifestyle in trial's opening statements, as defense says wealth is no crime
Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's lavish lifestyle was front-and-center during opening arguments in his fraud trial Tuesday afternoon, as prosecutors said he lied to put his money ahead of the law, while defense attorneys -- and even the presiding judge -- reminded jurors that exorbitant wealth, in itself, is not a crime.
Good grief, how tainted is the prosecution when the judge is already having to give jury instructions to counter the opening argument.
(This post was last modified: 07-31-2018 07:41 PM by UofMstateU.)
(07-31-2018 09:10 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: Jury selection will be paramount here.
Jury selection is paramount in any case, why should that be a point of contention in this trial?
Believe this or not I have some experience in dealing with Trump supporters. They have this uncanny ability to completely ignore any wrong doings when it comes to their support. It’s actually amazing. We have a die hard 37% of our population that could watch a pee tape with the oranged hair magic man getting peed on by prostitutes with Vlad in the background pumping his fist and they would say. How do we know that’s not CGI? They have this innate ability to deflect darn near everything.
(07-31-2018 10:08 AM)gdunn Wrote: Fun fact. Russia and Trump are not to be mentioned in this trial because it's not what he's charged with.
You need to tell SuperFlyBCat that.
Well aware that there was no collusion with the Russian government. Which begs the question, what the hell is Mueller and 13 other democrats doing with this investigation.
Not what I was referring to. You were implying this trial had something to do with collusion. It doesn't. And that in no way means or proves that there was no collusion with Russia.
But clearly the 13 other democrats on the panel and trying to stage a coup against trump.
Why was Mueller hired? Something about Russian collusion.
If you don't understand how special counsels work, I can't help you. You need to educate yourself. Or at least if you want to sound half-way intelligent anyway. And the authorization for the Special Counsel has been posted here many times. If you haven't read it by now, you should probably stop posting about it.
